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Stuff is hitting the fan: Bannon gets second subpoena in a week! (merged)
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Is this an example of the prisoners dilemma?

Considering that both are far-righters, I would say that the dilemma does not apply here: - By doctrine each will try to save his own ass and get maximum benefit for himself, so there's no dilemma.

This is a situation in wich both lose. The outcome depends only in the degree of pettiness of each one.

Well I hope you have a deep basement because I don't put it past the executive to foment a war to get out of this mess.
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I would think he would plead the 5th, no good can come out of him answering anything, this has become nothing more than a witch hunt. If he goes against Trump it is a no win, if he goes with Trump, it is a no win.
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I guess now will find out just how smart Bannon really is.
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RE: Stuff is hitting the fan: Bannon gets second subpoena in a week! (merged)
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Is that how much he's paid to post rawstory links on here? chuckle

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Better hurry up the OIG report is about to drop. They'll be too busy taking the 5th to be serving subpoenas.
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I could just go to rawstory.com instead of coming here if I had any interest in seeing every single article they write. But I have zero interest in it.

"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false." ~Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Stuff is hitting the fan: Bannon gets second subpoena in a week! (merged)
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-17-2018 12:36 AM)
I would think he would plead the 5th, no good can come out of him answering anything, this has become nothing more than a witch hunt. If he goes against Trump it is a no win, if he goes with Trump, it is a no win.

The 5th Amendment would apply only to him. He is obliged to tell the truth as far as third persons are concerned.
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It is about Obama and Hillary Uranium deal
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Tommy Pastrami  Wrote: (01-17-2018 12:48 AM)
I could just go to rawstory.com instead of coming here if I had any interest in seeing every single article they write. But I have zero interest in it.

I post a few articles form there, they get to the stories consistently faster than most sites.

They have good articles and they repost many stories from other media. Great site, despite what the far righties say about it.

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It is about Obama and Hillary Uranium deal

It's about this:

Quote: THREAD: Why did Mueller subpoena Bannon to testify before the grand jury? How is that different from an informal interview with investigators? (Short answer: He likely wants to question Bannon without Bannon's attorney present.)

1/ As @nytimes reported above, Mueller subpoenaed Steve Bannon to testify before the grand jury. He's the first person in Trump's person in Trump's inner circle to be subpoenaed. Other White House staff agreed to be informally interviewed.

2/ Typically witnesses in an investigation like this one are interviewed informally, especially if they have their own attorney, as Bannon does. So this is a very unusual move. It could mean a couple of things.

3/ First, federal prosecutors often will send over a grand jury subpoena as a first step to then negotiate the informal interview. Ultimately the subpoena is the leverage they have to get a subject to comply with an interview.

4/ I doubt that's what happened here because Bannon is represented by a skilled attorney who also represents Priebus and McGahn, who were already interviewed by Mueller. That means Mueller's team is already in touch with his attorney and has a relationship with him.

5/ If they called Bannon's attorney, he'd no doubt agree to an interview, because the alternative is a grand jury subpoena. Why is testifying before the grand jury worse for someone being interviewed? Because their attorney can't be present in the room with them.

6/ No one is allowed in the grand jury room other than the witness, the prosecutors, the grand jurors, and the court reporter. Also, the fact that there is a court reporter makes it easier for the prosecutor to charge the witness with making a false statement.

7/ Typically, prosecutors also prefer the freewheeling informal interview, because they can ask a broader array of questions in a less tense setting, with a FBI agent present. Often defense lawyers can help their clients remember details by directing them to key documents.

8/ False statements in an informal interview can be prosecuted, as Papadopoulos and Flynn discovered. Typically the desire to prosecute false statements doesn't drive a decision to issue a grand jury subpoena.

9/ The most likely reason that Mueller prefers to have Bannon testify before the grand jury is because his attorney won't be present and it will be easier to catch Bannon off-guard and receive truthful answers. Testifying before a grand jury is intimidating.

10/ When I was a federal prosecutor, I didn't like when multiple witnesses in the same case had the same attorney, even though it was usually permissible. I was worried that the attorney would use their increased knowledge of the case to help the witnesses tailor their testimony.

11/ Mueller may be concerned that Bannon won't be as candid with his attorney present as he would be with no attorney in front of the grand jury. Grand jury questioning, with a court reporter, also lends itself to a harsher questioning style akin to cross-examination. /end

The guy who tweeted this a former federal prosecutor and candidate for AG in Illinois.
Link -> https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/stat...4907092995
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-17-2018 12:59 AM)
It is about Obama and Hillary Uranium deal

It's about this:

Quote: THREAD: Why did Mueller subpoena Bannon to testify before the grand jury? How is that different from an informal interview with investigators? (Short answer: He likely wants to question Bannon without Bannon's attorney present.)

1/ As @nytimes reported above, Mueller subpoenaed Steve Bannon to testify before the grand jury. He's the first person in Trump's person in Trump's inner circle to be subpoenaed. Other White House staff agreed to be informally interviewed.

2/ Typically witnesses in an investigation like this one are interviewed informally, especially if they have their own attorney, as Bannon does. So this is a very unusual move. It could mean a couple of things.

3/ First, federal prosecutors often will send over a grand jury subpoena as a first step to then negotiate the informal interview. Ultimately the subpoena is the leverage they have to get a subject to comply with an interview.

4/ I doubt that's what happened here because Bannon is represented by a skilled attorney who also represents Priebus and McGahn, who were already interviewed by Mueller. That means Mueller's team is already in touch with his attorney and has a relationship with him.

5/ If they called Bannon's attorney, he'd no doubt agree to an interview, because the alternative is a grand jury subpoena. Why is testifying before the grand jury worse for someone being interviewed? Because their attorney can't be present in the room with them.

6/ No one is allowed in the grand jury room other than the witness, the prosecutors, the grand jurors, and the court reporter. Also, the fact that there is a court reporter makes it easier for the prosecutor to charge the witness with making a false statement.

7/ Typically, prosecutors also prefer the freewheeling informal interview, because they can ask a broader array of questions in a less tense setting, with a FBI agent present. Often defense lawyers can help their clients remember details by directing them to key documents.

8/ False statements in an informal interview can be prosecuted, as Papadopoulos and Flynn discovered. Typically the desire to prosecute false statements doesn't drive a decision to issue a grand jury subpoena.

9/ The most likely reason that Mueller prefers to have Bannon testify before the grand jury is because his attorney won't be present and it will be easier to catch Bannon off-guard and receive truthful answers. Testifying before a grand jury is intimidating.

10/ When I was a federal prosecutor, I didn't like when multiple witnesses in the same case had the same attorney, even though it was usually permissible. I was worried that the attorney would use their increased knowledge of the case to help the witnesses tailor their testimony.

11/ Mueller may be concerned that Bannon won't be as candid with his attorney present as he would be with no attorney in front of the grand jury. Grand jury questioning, with a court reporter, also lends itself to a harsher questioning style akin to cross-examination. /end

The guy who tweeted this a former federal prosecutor and candidate for AG in Illinois.
Link -> https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/stat...4907092995

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BlackCat  Wrote: (01-17-2018 12:43 AM)
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don't expect anything to come of it. Mueller and his crack team of 'investigators' are all republicans. Lmao in other words they're just as corrupt as the sewer admin
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