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What does the Tesla Coil produce?
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Post: #47
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Calamity  Wrote: (05-13-2014 03:16 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-01-2014 07:01 AM)
But you missed the part about Real DC can only be created by chemical reaction, its the true Flat line, no pulsing.

Mechanical DC is just AC and comes from a conductor passing thru a magnetic field, it hertz and will kill, lol.

Aaah, the stupid!!! It hurts!!!

If you highlighted the red portion in reference to me, I think you should seek medical attention for your symptoms, lol.

I would challenge you to prove the statements are wrong according to conventional information, not mine but what is stated in the Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_current

Direct current is produced by sources such as batteries, thermocouples, solar cells, and commutator-type electric machines of the dynamo type. Direct current may flow in a conductor such as a wire, but can also flow through semiconductors, insulators, or even through a vacuum as in electron or ion beams. The electric current flows in a constant direction, distinguishing it from alternating current (AC). A term formerly used for direct current was galvanic current.[1]

Although I could have used the term Galvanic Current to clarify my reference to Real DC and as such only applies to a battery.

And let me clarify my other statement about current, whenever current changes in amplitude it alternates, so even when you hook up to a battery that zero to 9v which then is steady is an alternation of current, and when you remove it and it goes from 9v to zero is another alternation.

A dynamo uses a commutator:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator_%28electric%29

Although solar and thermocouples can produce a partial signature of Galvanic Current they are not omnidirectional.

But I could be wrong, because this is all theory's of others, I just use it as a reference to begin a discussion.

The question is what does the Tesla ignitor coil produce.

Because it is the only energy that will go to the positive and negative and not go bang, or short, lol.

And when it puts out 40kv and you grab it, it will bite you, but not hurt or kill you.

And when you look at it, its only wire with nothing in the middle, lol.

Thank you Tesla for giving us this device, it is the key, sorry we are so afraid to open the door.

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Post: #48
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Dumb asses
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Post: #49
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OP is clueless. DC can kill too. A 40V DC source will create a 40mA current in an average 1000 Ohm body resistance and at that level of current you start having negative health effect on the body.
Apart from that AC doesn't needs to be a sinusoid (and a perfect one). It can be even a square wave. A sinusoid AC current is easily created with a generator while a square wave current would need a specialized AC-AC converter that would consume some percentage of the power and since it would be consisted of many frequencies, there would be more losses because of transmission lines. All signals can actually be analysed as sinusoids (Fourier series) and that's why analog or digital filters work in various applications.
Oh, and you can produce an AC sinusoid from a mechanical (electromechanical) apparatus. Many of you probably have one and is called electrical generator...
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terrified, angry, and vengeful oil and natural gas executives.
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Post: #51
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Rufus Juice  Wrote: (05-14-2014 06:54 AM)
terrified, angry, and vengeful oil and natural gas executives.

Yes and even with their enormous hubris they allowed this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasted_spark

The wasted spark system is an ignition system used with some four-stroke cycle internal combustion engines. In a wasted spark system, the spark plugs fire in pairs even though one is on its compression stroke

and one is on its exhaust stroke. ????????WTF????????????

The extra spark on the exhaust stroke has no effect and is thus "wasted".

Yes I can see engineers and designers doing this, lol.

What is left out is the real theory behind this and why so many cars in the 90s used this system, lol.

Well because computer controlled fuel injection did not produce the mileage improvements that it had always promised.

Carburetors and non computer controlled engines were getting upwards of 200 hundred miles per gallon, lol.

But back to waste spark or waste electricity.

Basically what is happening is you have compression explosion fired by the negative side of the coil, which we all experience in our cars.

But then you have the opposite of that, in exhaust implosion fired by the positive side of the coil in the opposite cylinder.

And if you can believe the positive side of the coil will do anything, remember in some countries they had positive earth electrical systems, they hooked up the battery backwards and they ran it that way, and it worked the same but with some subtle differences, lol.

So why build a system that fires in the exhaust?

There is nothing there all the gases are spent?

Well because it caused an implosion, and the engines got better gas mileage, and ran smoother.

But it was a dead give away that engines do not need spark or fuels, lol.

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Post: #52
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Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (05-13-2014 06:48 AM)
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You dont even know what DC is, lol.

IF it did not originate in a dry cell or a lead acid battery then it is mechanical AC commuted into pulsating DC for your misinformation.

DC is Direct Current or Flatline DC it does not go from zero to amplitude, that is AC, lol.

And yes I can prove it to you right now.

Pop the hood on your car and put your right hand on the negative and the left hand on the positive, in that order and it will not hurt you or even tingle.

Then remove your right hand and then your left.

The reason i say that to you in that order is because what it will do is charge your brain and align your body.

But thats for another thread.

So show me your not blinded by your beliefs.

Because beliefs determine behaviors.

And yes i am both an electrician and a electrical engineer for 30 years, remember if its got HERTZ attached it will hurt, lol.

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We used to have true pulsed D.C. generators on cars but they kind of sucked.
The tube rectifier was the first good method of turning A.C. into D.C..
The alternator in your car produces alternating current which is rectified by semiconductors.
This turns the alternating current into pulsed D.C.
Pulsed D.C. is sort of an intermediate state between D.C. and A.C.
Capacitors and batteries don't really distinguish between pulsed D.C. and D.C. as they will both charge the same way when subjected to either.
A Capacitor that can charge and discharge at the right speed will make pulsed D.C. indistinguishable from D.C. as it smooths out the peaks and valleys.
D.C. can hurt with no hertz.
Set up a electrolysis tank and stick your hand in to see.
Or just touch a 9volt to your tongue.

So why cant the high energy spark emitted from the tower of a vehicle coil be "pulsed DC" ?
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Post: #53
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Well be back !  Wrote: (05-14-2014 08:46 AM)
Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (05-13-2014 06:48 AM)
We used to have true pulsed D.C. generators on cars but they kind of sucked.
The tube rectifier was the first good method of turning A.C. into D.C..
The alternator in your car produces alternating current which is rectified by semiconductors.
This turns the alternating current into pulsed D.C.
Pulsed D.C. is sort of an intermediate state between D.C. and A.C.
Capacitors and batteries don't really distinguish between pulsed D.C. and D.C. as they will both charge the same way when subjected to either.
A Capacitor that can charge and discharge at the right speed will make pulsed D.C. indistinguishable from D.C. as it smooths out the peaks and valleys.
D.C. can hurt with no hertz.
Set up a electrolysis tank and stick your hand in to see.
Or just touch a 9volt to your tongue.

So why cant the high energy spark emitted from the tower of a vehicle coil be "pulsed DC" ?
Well it is, but that is AC because in that spark it goes from 0 to 40k volts and then back to zero.

When you look at it on a oscilloscope it is not flat line, it pulse's or alternates only on the positive side of the wave form.

We have come to understand AC as sinusoidal alternating current, were it pulses on the positive and the negative as a function of its generation.

So to simplify it more so, just think of your power point in your house, an AC receptacle.

America it is 110vac 60 hertz with a 3 prong receptacle.

One blade of the prong hole is hot or electrified,
the other prong hole is wired to a stake that is driven into the earth, called neutral and is earth ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_and_neutral

The 3rd bottom prong hole is also grounded to the receptacle.

But under no instance can you connect the hot to the neutral or ground and not get a short circuit, bang, heat, hurt or kill. HERTZ, lol.

Galvanic DC will short if you take that wire and go from positive to negative ground, but only the wire will hurt by burning you not the energy.

But if you take that same wire and coil it, then it does not short, lol.

But what comes out the top of the tesla coil is different, it will go to anything and not short circuit, not go bang, not hurt and not kill.

So what is it then?

Well its something different and Tesla gave it to us to unlock the door.

And what is behind that door is everything that you seek to understand.

And that knowledge is free, no donations, no materials to buy, no conferences to attend, no books to read, no secret technologies, its right there in front of you, just asking you to look at it and ask what is it?

Good night

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Post: #54
What does the Tesla Coil produce?
Joe Cellery  Wrote: (05-14-2014 06:33 AM)
Calamity  Wrote: (05-13-2014 03:16 PM)
Aaah, the stupid!!! It hurts!!!

If you highlighted the red portion in reference to me, I think you should seek medical attention for your symptoms, lol.

I would challenge you to prove the statements are wrong according to conventional information, not mine but what is stated in the Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_current

Direct current is produced by sources such as batteries, thermocouples, solar cells, and commutator-type electric machines of the dynamo type. Direct current may flow in a conductor such as a wire, but can also flow through semiconductors, insulators, or even through a vacuum as in electron or ion beams. The electric current flows in a constant direction, distinguishing it from alternating current (AC). A term formerly used for direct current was galvanic current.[1]

Although I could have used the term Galvanic Current to clarify my reference to Real DC and as such only applies to a battery.

And let me clarify my other statement about current, whenever current changes in amplitude it alternates, so even when you hook up to a battery that zero to 9v which then is steady is an alternation of current, and when you remove it and it goes from 9v to zero is another alternation.

A dynamo uses a commutator:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator_%28electric%29

Although solar and thermocouples can produce a partial signature of Galvanic Current they are not omnidirectional.

But I could be wrong, because this is all theory's of others, I just use it as a reference to begin a discussion.

This "theory of others" you speak of has apparently been completely misunderstood by you. There is no difference between DC generated from a battery, and DC generated by any other means! If you think science supports that supposition, then I suggest you go talk with 100 people with a modest education in the subject, and see if you can get anyone to agree!

Joe Cellery  Wrote: (05-14-2014 06:33 AM)
The question is what does the Tesla ignitor coil produce.

Because it is the only energy that will go to the positive and negative and not go bang, or short, lol.

And when it puts out 40kv and you grab it, it will bite you, but not hurt or kill you.

And when you look at it, its only wire with nothing in the middle, lol.

Thank you Tesla for giving us this device, it is the key, sorry we are so afraid to open the door.

Love and Gratitude

Rubbing a balloon against your hair charges it to way over 40kv! Why doesn't it kill you to touch the balloon?

Because voltage doesn't kill you, current does.

The balloon has very limited ability to push current through your body, and if there is no current, then there is no danger.
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Post: #55
What does the Tesla Coil produce?
Calamity  Wrote: (05-14-2014 09:52 AM)
Joe Cellery  Wrote: (05-14-2014 06:33 AM)
If you highlighted the red portion in reference to me, I think you should seek medical attention for your symptoms, lol.

I would challenge you to prove the statements are wrong according to conventional information, not mine but what is stated in the Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_current

Direct current is produced by sources such as batteries, thermocouples, solar cells, and commutator-type electric machines of the dynamo type. Direct current may flow in a conductor such as a wire, but can also flow through semiconductors, insulators, or even through a vacuum as in electron or ion beams. The electric current flows in a constant direction, distinguishing it from alternating current (AC). A term formerly used for direct current was galvanic current.[1]

Although I could have used the term Galvanic Current to clarify my reference to Real DC and as such only applies to a battery.

And let me clarify my other statement about current, whenever current changes in amplitude it alternates, so even when you hook up to a battery that zero to 9v which then is steady is an alternation of current, and when you remove it and it goes from 9v to zero is another alternation.

A dynamo uses a commutator:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator_%28electric%29

Although solar and thermocouples can produce a partial signature of Galvanic Current they are not omnidirectional.

But I could be wrong, because this is all theory's of others, I just use it as a reference to begin a discussion.

This "theory of others" you speak of has apparently been completely misunderstood by you. There is no difference between DC generated from a battery, and DC generated by any other means! If you think science supports that supposition, then I suggest you go talk with 100 people with a modest education in the subject, and see if you can get anyone to agree!

Joe Cellery  Wrote: (05-14-2014 06:33 AM)
The question is what does the Tesla ignitor coil produce.

Because it is the only energy that will go to the positive and negative and not go bang, or short, lol.

And when it puts out 40kv and you grab it, it will bite you, but not hurt or kill you.

And when you look at it, its only wire with nothing in the middle, lol.

Thank you Tesla for giving us this device, it is the key, sorry we are so afraid to open the door.

Love and Gratitude

Rubbing a balloon against your hair charges it to way over 40kv! Why doesn't it kill you to touch the balloon?

Because voltage doesn't kill you, current does.

The balloon has very limited ability to push current through your body, and if there is no current, then there is no danger.

I thought I explained it to you, and I do not need to explain it to any others, just state what facts you have that are different then what was stated.

If you have build power supplies, capacitors, latent jars, galvanic cells, dynamos, alternators from scratch, would see the differences.

But if you have access to an oscilloscope, it will show you that generated voltage and current have RIPPLE.

Only a galvanic cell or dry cell battery is true flat line.

I understand you believe that what I am referring to is not the status quo or vetted science's best guess, and because of this you can not advance your knowledge due to your fears and beliefs.

If you have been working with these thing for years you will see that theory is different from actual application and results.

And yes i understand your attempt to say current kills and not voltage, but did you do the test with the 12v battery yet?

It easily has hundreds of amps to destroy almost anything that is shorted between the positive and negative, Yet if you put your hands on each pole, it does nothing, lol.

Did you also want to suggest that the 40kv that is output from the coil has zero amperage?

So how much amperage does it take to explode those gases in your motor?

Is it zero or is it alot?

Lets say its zero, then perhaps the spark does not explode the gases and that begs the question then why is it needed, because in the Waste spark system they fire the spark in the exhaust stroke to do what?

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Heh man. So i've been doing that thing. At first i felt disoriented, like i had to get my bearing back all over again. Then my perception increased i think. Then i felt like the world on one side is not imporoving and then the other is. A split in two per say. I'm not likeing it to much so far but i will continue. The negative side sucks to be on again. Did you trick me?

On and off. on and off.

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But hay.. it's only been two days. Maybe it's the coffee and nicoten in the morning. 1dunno1

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It's 11:11 here now. doomed

I did feel a tingle in a finger on my left hand.

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Only the first time tho

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btw i just watched that vid and Joe let go of the positive end first.

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