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IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
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Post: #16
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
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Can you show me a country where you do own anything? Bet you won't find one dummy
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banana RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 05:58 PM)
Can you show me a country where you do own anything? Bet you won't find one dummy

llodial title constitutes ownership of real property (land, buildings, and fixtures) that is independent of any superior landlord. Allodial title is related to the concept of land held "in allodium", or land ownership by occupancy and defense of the land. Historically, much of land was uninhabited and could, therefore, be held "in allodium".[1]

Most property ownership in common law jurisdictions is fee simple. In the United States, the land is subject to eminent domain by federal, state and local government, and subject to the imposition of taxes by state and/or local governments, and there is thus no true allodial land. Some states within the US (notably, Nevada and Texas) have provisions for considering land allodial under state law, and the term may be used in other circumstances.[2] Land is "held of the Crown" in England and Wales and other jurisdictions in the Commonwealth realms. Some realms (such as Australia and Canada) recognize aboriginal title, a form of allodial title that does not originate from a Crown grant. Some land in the Orkney and Shetland Islands, known as udal land, is held in a manner akin to allodial land in that these titles are not subject to the ultimate ownership of the Crown...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

THE SOVEREIGN STATE OF FORVIK


The official Forvik website is not functioning due to a long term problem. During its redesign the software writer was unable to finish the job, so we are left with a site which is informational only. Please do not try to sign up there because it will not work. The website is here and you can join below on this page.

Since its inception, the island of Forvik (which is part of Shetland) was intended to demonstrate what Shetland as a whole could do if it just asserted already existing powers. It was Shetland in microcosm. The purpose was to challenge the Sottish and UK 'authorities' to find out how they derive their power here.

The Sovereign State of Forvik has an international population and is largely a virtual enitty with just a small physical base. Forvik itself is about 2.5 acres (1 hectare).

More recently the focus has shifted to the Shetland mainland and the pace is hotting up. The Sovereign Nation of Shetland was formed (http://www.sovereignshetland.com) and we believe we are now reaching the end of a 10 year protracted engagedment with the courts to finally get an answer.

http://www.forvik.com/

http://www.forvik.com/index2.php

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Reinstate Greenbacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
http://taxwallstreetparty.org/
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Post: #18
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (07-11-2018 03:47 PM)
You have a car ?
.... You pay property tax aka rent

Have a house
.... You pay property tax / bank fees

Does the state own it all ?
If you think about it do we own anything or do we just rent it ?

What state do you live in?
Property tax on a car?

Some states have no property tax.
Bank fees? That would mean you're still in the process of buying.

No. They just extort money in a variety of ways.
Of course we own things.
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Post: #19
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 05:12 PM)
Gravedigger  Wrote: (07-11-2018 04:03 PM)
We own our own Soul
do we?Because Fucken Uncle Sammy owns your DNA!

lol

How silly.
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Post: #20
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (07-11-2018 03:47 PM)
You have a car ?
.... You pay property tax aka rent

Have a house
.... You pay property tax / bank fees

Does the state own it all ?
If you think about it do we own anything or do we just rent it ?

Are you just bitching because you've realized you will never own jack sh*t?. chuckle I mean just your past thread list would indicate that you do. chucklechucklechuckle So why is this even a concern to you?

I would give you five stars for this thread if I could, simply for your creativity in creating this cloaked bit*h thread.
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Post: #21
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:06 PM)
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (07-11-2018 03:47 PM)
You have a car ?
.... You pay property tax aka rent

Have a house
.... You pay property tax / bank fees

Does the state own it all ?
If you think about it do we own anything or do we just rent it ?

What state do you live in?
Property tax on a car?

Some states have no property tax.
Bank fees? That would mean you're still in the process of buying.

No. They just extort money in a variety of ways.
Of course we own things.

Lol...he's clueless. Rofl
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Post: #22
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 05:15 PM)
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (07-11-2018 03:47 PM)
You have a car ?
.... You pay property tax aka rent

Have a house
.... You pay property tax / bank fees

Does the state own it all ?
If you think about it do we own anything or do we just rent it ?

That's about right.

In the "land of the free", you own nothing and have to seek permission from the Stae to do pretty much anything of any significance. The State owns all and can withdraw all privileges at any time.

So "significance" is your wiggle word.
I have sold property to other individuals without permission. Is that significant?

Sure the state can assert ownership at any time for a variety of made up reasons but you have to be pretty silly to think the state "owns" the nick nacks floating around the average home.
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Post: #23
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:09 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:06 PM)
What state do you live in?
Property tax on a car?

Some states have no property tax.
Bank fees? That would mean you're still in the process of buying.

No. They just extort money in a variety of ways.
Of course we own things.

Lol...he's clueless. Rofl


Who is?
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Post: #24
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:12 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:09 PM)
Lol...he's clueless. Rofl


Who is?

Ghostie....Rofl
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Post: #25
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
Regardless if you pay a small percentage of property tax (which goes to roads and schools) and car registration fees, it is still better than owning nothing and being a renter all you life.

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Post: #26
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (07-11-2018 03:47 PM)
You have a car ?
.... You pay property tax aka rent

Have a house
.... You pay property tax / bank fees

Does the state own it all ?
If you think about it, I don't own anything!

FIFY

Should have stuck in at school kid!
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Post: #27
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
RiskyRob  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:14 PM)
Regardless if you pay a small percentage of property tax (which goes to roads and schools) and car registration fees, it is still better than owning nothing and being a renter all you life.

Losing your home to fund EDUCATION is sort of ironic.

Again I'd rather pay sales and income taxes.

Also through gentrification cities have an incentive to allow inflation of property values in order to expand their revenue base.

When I lived in Seattle in the early 2000's lots of elderly people were forced out because their taxes were unbearable.

Sales taxes are a bit regressive, but it's preferable to housing instability.

And to be fair you could exempt everybody on their cheapest home.

Rich people with one mansion would be exempt too.

2 or more you pay taxes on the more expensive ones.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Reinstate Greenbacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5OQUElilo
http://taxwallstreetparty.org/
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Post: #28
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
RiskyRob  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:14 PM)
Regardless if you pay a small percentage of property tax (which goes to roads and schools) and car registration fees, it is still better than owning nothing and being a renter all you life.

The point is they ARE renters for the rest of their lives. Get ill or old and can't pay your property tax? You no longer have the home you think you've paid for. That isn't ownership.
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07-11-2018 06:52 PM

 



Post: #29
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:50 PM)
RiskyRob  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:14 PM)
Regardless if you pay a small percentage of property tax (which goes to roads and schools) and car registration fees, it is still better than owning nothing and being a renter all you life.

The point is they ARE renters for the rest of their lives. Get ill or old and can't pay your property tax? You no longer have the home you think you've paid for. That isn't ownership.

It takes seven years non payment (if im remembering correctly) to lose your property.

That is one long streak of bad luck.
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Post: #30
RE: IN THE USA you don't really own anything !
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:11 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 05:15 PM)
That's about right.

In the "land of the free", you own nothing and have to seek permission from the Stae to do pretty much anything of any significance. The State owns all and can withdraw all privileges at any time.

So "significance" is your wiggle word.
I have sold property to other individuals without permission. Is that significant?

Sure the state can assert ownership at any time for a variety of made up reasons but you have to be pretty silly to think the state "owns" the nick nacks floating around the average home.

If the transaction required a licence, tax or any legal work on the part of any of the parties involved, that's state permission.

Did you manage a sale with none of these things?
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