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the stock market...
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 07:29 PM)
Oh you know exactly what's gonna happen... POOF!

The wealth illusion ends.

Keep in mind that owning a stock is owning a piece of a company. That's something real and tangible like owning gold. Plus unlike gold it pays a dividend, a lot more than you can make in a bank account. I have two that pay 5%. A dividend gold mine as someone put it.

The problem is all their books are cooked so the price of that stock is severely distorted. If you buy with money, capital, not leverage, margin, and can afford the loss more power to you.

But most of their numbers are fudged, and they just sell bonds to buy back their own stock and reduce the number of stocks in circulation to raise the price. A lot of companies now just issue bonds to pay their stock holders dividends.

It's a big ponzi
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Futures are UP Big Today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scream1Scream1Scream1
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NoContract  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:38 PM)
Its just a game for people of power.

A casino for arseholes , if you will .

Heartflowers

Not quite. It is a vessel through which to steal from pension funds and people's savings.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 09:13 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-11-2018 07:49 PM)
Keep in mind that owning a stock is owning a piece of a company. That's something real and tangible like owning gold. Plus unlike gold it pays a dividend, a lot more than you can make in a bank account. I have two that pay 5%. A dividend gold mine as someone put it.

The problem is all their books are cooked so the price of that stock is severely distorted. If you buy with money, capital, not leverage, margin, and can afford the loss more power to you.

But most of their numbers are fudged, and they just sell bonds to buy back their own stock and reduce the number of stocks in circulation to raise the price. A lot of companies now just issue bonds to pay their stock holders dividends.

It's a big ponzi

And for the executives to sell THEIR stocks into, at a higher price. This is why the FED keeps rates low. Borrowing costs are cheap and so companies buy their own stock (Apple is also really bad for this https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/techn...ngs.html), which makes the price go up, and the executives award themselves bonuses....including stock options, which they pay next to nothing for. Then they sell those at the current market price.

Want to know how Mark Zuckerberg is among the wealthiest in the world now?

Look here and see how often his name comes up under 'sell'

https://finviz.com/insidertrading.ashx

His name has been on here this routinely for MONTHS. He has cashed out hundreds of millions in stock at an inflated price.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:19 PM)
NoContract  Wrote: (07-11-2018 06:38 PM)
Its just a game for people of power.

A casino for arseholes , if you will .

Heartflowers

Not quite. It is a vessel through which to steal from pension funds and people's savings.

Yeah , that was covered under "arseholes"

chuckle

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NoContract  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:27 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:19 PM)
Not quite. It is a vessel through which to steal from pension funds and people's savings.

Yeah , that was covered under "arseholes"

chuckle

Need to emphasize how they gamble with other people's money, not their own.

At least at a casino, the person doing the gambling is the one who winds up broke if they make bad bets.
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NoContract  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:27 PM)
Yeah , that was covered under "arseholes"

chuckle

Need to emphasize how they gamble with other people's money, not their own.

At least at a casino, the person doing the gambling is the one who winds up broke if they make bad bets.

I agree . No matter the thickness of your wallet and the other uses for its contents , if you're gambling until you're broke on other peoples money , you're an arsehole .

"Well, I'll put it this way: you can certainly say belief in God makes people behave worse. That can be proved beyond a doubt. "
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NoContract  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:27 PM)
Yeah , that was covered under "arseholes"

chuckle

Need to emphasize how they gamble with other people's money, not their own.

At least at a casino, the person doing the gambling is the one who winds up broke if they make bad bets.

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NoContract  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:27 PM)
Yeah , that was covered under "arseholes"

chuckle

Need to emphasize how they gamble with other people's money, not their own.

At least at a casino, the person doing the gambling is the one who winds up broke if they make bad bets.

The guy at the casino could also have a family at home , living paycheck to paycheck , and hes out risking it all , chasing a fvckin dream when he should be on his way home with a couple of armfuls of provisions .

Arseholes at that level too

chuckle

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NoContract  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:56 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-12-2018 03:30 PM)
Need to emphasize how they gamble with other people's money, not their own.

At least at a casino, the person doing the gambling is the one who winds up broke if they make bad bets.

The guy at the casino could also have a family at home , living paycheck to paycheck , and hes out risking it all , chasing a fvckin dream when he should be on his way home with a couple of armfuls of provisions .

Arseholes at that level too

chuckle

Having No Conscience Helps...
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Psychology is the better part of trading. A stocks price is set by the general consensus of its value. Stocks can be valued much higher than their multiple based on future anticipated growth.

Old folks might want to own rock solid utility stocks that pay a nice dividend because they are basically monopolies and everyone needs power or gas. Younger folks might want to have a couple of speculative stocks hoping it will be the next Microsoft or amazon.

Today we have a large number of ETFs which make trading currency, commodities or shorting the market easy as a click of a mouse. In the old days to trade a commodity you had to have a commodity broker and the action was fast because of the leverage. I made 400 bucks my first day on oats. Next day I lost $900 on oil. I decided the action was too fast for me.

The discount brokers have changed the way America trades as well. In the old days it was a broker calling you on the phone normally to recommend a stick and you would buy even lots like 100 shares. But now you can nibble buying 10 shares or 20 shares on your cell phone because the commissions are only like 5 bucks a trade.

Jim Cramer recommends you invest your first $10,000 into an index fund and then branch out into individual stocks like five stocks or not more than ten. I watch his show Mad Money when I can. He ran a hedge fund. A great about it and his early career is Confessions of a Street Addict.
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