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can we turn away from the technology abyss?
Ludikrus
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Post: #16
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-13-2018 12:56 AM)
Ancient fire didnt kill us. Technology does.

^ by our hands we created this prison and by the same will it be destroyed. Hugs

We can keep the fire. chuckle

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Post: #17
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
The Hermit  Wrote: (07-13-2018 02:03 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-13-2018 01:18 AM)
What is technology in the context of this thread?
Are we talking 2010 and later social media landscape? Sure, it was a mistake, take the internet offline, close-down silicon valley, send the tech nerds to work with Elon or on fusion power or something that isn't another dumb app.
The industrial revolution? Will either be what stops the human tidal wave or what leads us to the starts.
The agricultural revolution? You're dumb.
The cultural/language revolution? You're a "special" kind of person that mostly posts on weird lefty boards and not on places like this, but screw you.

If you are deep anti-technology person that thinks we went wrong with planting seeds, this is my take.

Humans have to have technology. If you've never noticed this before, the female body isn't really adapted well for child birth, and giving birth in the wild was one of the most dangerous things human could do. A really optimistic assessment is that a child can function more or less in the tribe by 10, but that's pushing it. Before that, they're vulerable as all hell. So ten years of effort and a big chance of death for just one more human.

Compare that to, say, a house cat. A house cat, year after year, can get pregnant, still function up until the moment of birth, birth three to five kittens, raise them to adulthood in less than three months, and be on her way. I think the math works out to cats having a breading edge on us somewhere north of a 1000 to one.

Technology didn't corrupt us, it is the only thing that keeps the species viable outside our homelands in Africa (as of a few days ago, I guess that might include Asia and other places). Hell, even our intimidate ancestor species had technology of some form, and the chimps seem to have something of an idea of it.

We'd have turn the clock back more than 10 million years to get before technology.
It was a bit of a catch 22.
It was the development of our great big brains that made childbirth for humans such a problem.
Without those great big brains though, we would not have been able to overcome our predator adversaries by creating tools and weapons, in order to overcome their superior natural weapons.

Personally I say that trying to funnel the amount of consciousness that we are at now, through these poor animal brains is a zero sum situation.

Replacing them and our bodies with technological ones, is an idea that redefines bad. Anything that humans create, humans can and will exploit.

Evolving beyond the physical entirely and utilizing forms of pure energy is a possible solution. Although, at the present time, the vast majority cannot even entertain this thought. Attempting to consider existence beyond the physical, while still physical is the realm of mystics and madmen.

Not disagreeing per say, but I want to suggest that maybe your making too much hay about the difference between humans and nature. After all, humans ARE nature, and our cities and nuclear bombs are as natural as spider webs and termite nests. I think the key lays in a few areas:

1. Getting passed the idea of "the economy" being a thing that exists out there. It is strange to take commercial transactions, isolate them from the rest of what happens in society, and frame thinking in terms of servicing this abstract concept. I'm telling you, Europeans invented this weird idea and nobody thought like this before. Its time has come and gone. If producing and consuming things were thought of in terms of ecology or sociology, we'd probably have a much more egalitarian, flat instead of hierarchical and insane approach to things. The idea that you exist to service the economy, and not the other way around, is like a person giving up their life to save a life boat. Completely insane, but people will defend the most useless of B.S. jobs over non-productivity.

2. Get away from any system that needs endless growth. Our system, whatever you call it, needs to grow by a certain number of percentage points each year, or it collapses. Think of how insane it would be if your house needed to get bigger each year or it would fall over! If we end the existence of the rentier/owner class (which means, we end their ability to collect pay checks for having money in the first place, but otherwise DO NOT HARM THEM.)

3. Rigorous burden of proof on all new hierarchies. At some level, we will always need bosses, and it is ok to say some people simply pulling more weight than others. However, appeals to tradition, nationalism, ideology, bigotry, will no longer be enough to justify tyranny, oppression, greed, and evil. Your father being a boss, rich, the president means that exactly that, and generational wealth transfer should be illegal. I never want to hear another human being argue that others must suffer because of their own or others previous pain. There were never any good old days, you fools. You think the time you grew up in was a paradise only because most little children don't watch CSPAN or read reports of human rights abuses or generally know anything beside farting being funny. The 1950s were a hellscape of PTSD shattered WWII vets vainly trying and failing to hold on to a society that was racing towards the 1960s, the 1980s were a wasteland of consumerism, a moron in the white house, and neoliberal insanity, and the 90s were a series of big scares over right wing militas, government cover ups, Clinton getting a BJ, and y2k.
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Post: #18
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
I read a very profound political and religious meme today and it totally changed so many of my personal views..... said no one ever.
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Post: #19
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-13-2018 02:26 AM)
The Hermit  Wrote: (07-13-2018 02:03 AM)
It was a bit of a catch 22.
It was the development of our great big brains that made childbirth for humans such a problem.
Without those great big brains though, we would not have been able to overcome our predator adversaries by creating tools and weapons, in order to overcome their superior natural weapons.

Personally I say that trying to funnel the amount of consciousness that we are at now, through these poor animal brains is a zero sum situation.

Replacing them and our bodies with technological ones, is an idea that redefines bad. Anything that humans create, humans can and will exploit.

Evolving beyond the physical entirely and utilizing forms of pure energy is a possible solution. Although, at the present time, the vast majority cannot even entertain this thought. Attempting to consider existence beyond the physical, while still physical is the realm of mystics and madmen.

Not disagreeing per say, but I want to suggest that maybe your making too much hay about the difference between humans and nature. After all, humans ARE nature, and our cities and nuclear bombs are as natural as spider webs and termite nests. I think the key lays in a few areas:

1. Getting passed the idea of "the economy" being a thing that exists out there. It is strange to take commercial transactions, isolate them from the rest of what happens in society, and frame thinking in terms of servicing this abstract concept. I'm telling you, Europeans invented this weird idea and nobody thought like this before. Its time has come and gone. If producing and consuming things were thought of in terms of ecology or sociology, we'd probably have a much more egalitarian, flat instead of hierarchical and insane approach to things. The idea that you exist to service the economy, and not the other way around, is like a person giving up their life to save a life boat. Completely insane, but people will defend the most useless of B.S. jobs over non-productivity.

2. Get away from any system that needs endless growth. Our system, whatever you call it, needs to grow by a certain number of percentage points each year, or it collapses. Think of how insane it would be if your house needed to get bigger each year or it would fall over! If we end the existence of the rentier/owner class (which means, we end their ability to collect pay checks for having money in the first place, but otherwise DO NOT HARM THEM.)

3. Rigorous burden of proof on all new hierarchies. At some level, we will always need bosses, and it is ok to say some people simply pulling more weight than others. However, appeals to tradition, nationalism, ideology, bigotry, will no longer be enough to justify tyranny, oppression, greed, and evil. Your father being a boss, rich, the president means that exactly that, and generational wealth transfer should be illegal. I never want to hear another human being argue that others must suffer because of their own or others previous pain. There were never any good old days, you fools. You think the time you grew up in was a paradise only because most little children don't watch CSPAN or read reports of human rights abuses or generally know anything beside farting being funny. The 1950s were a hellscape of PTSD shattered WWII vets vainly trying and failing to hold on to a society that was racing towards the 1960s, the 1980s were a wasteland of consumerism, a moron in the white house, and neoliberal insanity, and the 90s were a series of big scares over right wing militas, government cover ups, Clinton getting a BJ, and y2k.
Well said.
Good luck in your crusade to bring order unto chaos.

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A wave from above.
Droplets from within.
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Post: #20
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
check this out!

Wal Mart - patent

If they implement this then that Wal Mart employee in the stall next to yours will be transmitting every tickle drop, plop, fert or probably even how much TP you used to nosy freaks at HQTRS.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/12/walm...ance-tool/
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Spiddy  Wrote: (07-13-2018 12:59 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-13-2018 12:56 AM)
Ancient fire didnt kill us. Technology does.

Say what?
Trust me, the moment ancient man figured out fire the very next thing he did was kill things with it.
That's kind of how we roll with technology.


UNTIL TECHNOLUGLY ITSELF
KILLS YOU.
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Post: #22
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
You wont have to endure it for very long so rejoice!chuckle

How about putting a smile on someone face instead of a tear!
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Post: #23
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
Seems more and more people are bowing their heads (looking at their screens ) worshipping the neon God's they made. (The glow of the screen) Just being captain obvious here. Time to look up is now more than ever. God bless
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Post: #24
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
There is No Going BACK OP!
Time Marches On!

But you are not the only one that has
noticed Progress is not always a good thing.

Progress isnt always actually progress.
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RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
Just end Earth and physical life. The agendas are all ways to continue it not end it. No one can ever give a ligitmet sensical answer on why they want life on Earth to continue. Including FAKE gnostics
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RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
inkhorn  Wrote: (07-13-2018 07:03 AM)
Seems more and more people are bowing their heads (looking at their screens ) worshipping the neon God's they made. (The glow of the screen) Just being captain obvious here. Time to look up is now more than ever. God bless

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RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
Synosia  Wrote: (07-13-2018 07:41 AM)
Just end Earth and physical life. The agendas are all ways to continue it not end it. No one can ever give a ligitmet sensical answer on why they want life on Earth to continue. Including FAKE gnostics
People Have some redeeming qualities if you look for them.
Life should continue on earth because humans might actually
become better at being beneficial life forms if given the chance.

7.5 Billion Humans on earth right now!
All the forms of death imaginable is not
putting a DENT In Global Population booms.

10 Billion people by 2050.

If we do not find a way off this planet we will
soon out grow its resources. We will inadvertently
become the cause of our own extinction if we burn
up all our resources.
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Post: #28
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
But think about it.
With CRISPR technology we can mutate humans into reptiles.

That ought to be worth something.

Maybe they can hibernate on long space voyages, or become
cold-blooded zombies to clear territories for occupation... lots of potential there.
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Post: #29
RE: can we turn away from the technology abyss?
Not existing seem like a better choice than being a human with all the sh*t we have to go trough in one life!

Not existing is painless, worry free and best of all no one will ever bother you in the void.

Sometime i wonder who is the idiot that put us here?

How about putting a smile on someone face instead of a tear!
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Post: #30
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Says the guy typing this up on a forum on the internet.

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