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Nagual
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-15-2018 09:56 PM)
Go to the Hopi nation in Arizona and participate in one of their sweat lodge sessions.

They will teach you more than any anthropologist could teach.

The Hopi rituals are real. Big difference.

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If you are interested, this was the prologue that the poet Octavio Paz wrote to one of Carlos Castaneda's books ....
Use Google translate

PROLOGUE TO THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN, BY CARLOS CASTANEDA

http://www.wanamey.org/chamanismo/ensena...taneda.htm


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An extract of the prologue
Octavio Paz wrote....

"....I confess that the "Castaneda mystery" interests me less than his work. The secret of its origin - is it Peruvian, Brazilian or Chicano? - seems to me a mediocre enigma, especially if you think about the enigmas that our books offer us. The first of these enigmas refers to its nature: anthropology or literary fiction? It will be said that my question is idle: anthropological document or fiction, the meaning of the work is the same. Literary fiction is already an ethnographic document and the document, as its most bitter critics acknowledge, has undoubted literary value. The example of Tristes Tropiques -autobiography of an anthropologist and ethnographic testimony- answers the question. Does he really answer it? If Castaneda's books are a work of literary fiction, they are in a very strange way: his theme is the defeat of anthropology and the victory of magic; if they are works of anthropology, their subject can not be the least: the revenge of the anthropological "object" (a sorcerer) on the anthropologist until turning it into a sorcerer. Antiantropology.

The distrust of many anthropologists before the books of Castaneda is not only due to professional jealousy or the short-sightedness of the specialist. It is natural reserve against a work that begins as an ethnography work (the hallucinogenic plants -peyote, mushrooms and datura- in the practices and rituals of Yaqui sorcery) and that the few pages becomes the story of a conversion . Change of position: the "object" of the study -don Juan, shaman and qui- becomes the subject that studies and the subject -Carlos Castaneda, anthropologist- becomes the object of study and experimentation. Not only does it change the position of the elements of the relationship but it also changes. The subject / object duality - the subject that knows and the object to be known - vanishes and the teacher / neophyte appears in its place. The relation of scientific order is transformed into one of magic-religious order. In the initial relationship, the anthropologist wants to know the other; in the second, the neophyte wants to become another.

The conversion is double: that of the anthropologist in sorcerer and that of anthropology in another knowledge. As a story of his conversion, Castaneda's books adjoin one extreme with ethnography and in another with phenomenology, rather than religion, of the experience I have called of otherness. This experience is expressed in magic, religion and poetry but not only in them: from the Paleolithic to our days is a central part of the life of men and women. It is a constitutive experience of man, like work and language. It encompasses the children's game to the erotic encounter and knowing only in the world to feel part of the world. It is a detachment from the self that we are (or think we are) towards the other that we are also and that is always different from us. Detachment: appearance: Experience of the strangeness of being men. As a critical destruction of anthropology, Castaneda's work borders on the opposite frontiers of philosophy and religion. Those of philosophy because it proposes to us, after a radical critique of reality, another knowledge, non-scientific and non-logical; those of religion because that knowledge demands a change of nature in the initiate: a conversion. The other knowledge opens the doors of the other reality on the condition that the neophyte becomes another. The ambiguity of meanings unfolds in the center of Castaneda's experience. His books are the chronicle of a conversion, the story of a spiritual awakening and, at the same time, are the rediscovery and defense of a knowledge scorned by the West and contemporary science. The subject of knowledge is linked to the power and both to the metamorphosis: the man who knows (the sorcerer) is the man of power (the warrior) and both, knowledge and power, are the keys to change. The sorcerer can see the other reality because he sees it with other eyes - with the eyes of the other."

thank you

a couple of my friends sent me in this direction
because I see / feel / experience things that have no explanation
while I have never engaged in any practices
it has always been in me
I always find the answer in the writings of the Castaneda
while I prefer to study myself
and it is very important for me that it could be experienced by someone else
like me Heartflowers

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I thought it was real. Got sucked into the books in college. After the first three though they got too weird.
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RE: Nagual
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-15-2018 09:35 PM)
If you are interested, this was the prologue that the poet Octavio Paz wrote to one of Carlos Castaneda's books ....
Use Google translate

PROLOGUE TO THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN, BY CARLOS CASTANEDA

http://www.wanamey.org/chamanismo/ensena...taneda.htm


Heartflowers

LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-15-2018 09:46 PM)
An extract of the prologue
Octavio Paz wrote....

"....I confess that the "Castaneda mystery" interests me less than his work. The secret of its origin - is it Peruvian, Brazilian or Chicano? - seems to me a mediocre enigma, especially if you think about the enigmas that our books offer us. The first of these enigmas refers to its nature: anthropology or literary fiction? It will be said that my question is idle: anthropological document or fiction, the meaning of the work is the same. Literary fiction is already an ethnographic document and the document, as its most bitter critics acknowledge, has undoubted literary value. The example of Tristes Tropiques -autobiography of an anthropologist and ethnographic testimony- answers the question. Does he really answer it? If Castaneda's books are a work of literary fiction, they are in a very strange way: his theme is the defeat of anthropology and the victory of magic; if they are works of anthropology, their subject can not be the least: the revenge of the anthropological "object" (a sorcerer) on the anthropologist until turning it into a sorcerer. Antiantropology.

The distrust of many anthropologists before the books of Castaneda is not only due to professional jealousy or the short-sightedness of the specialist. It is natural reserve against a work that begins as an ethnography work (the hallucinogenic plants -peyote, mushrooms and datura- in the practices and rituals of Yaqui sorcery) and that the few pages becomes the story of a conversion . Change of position: the "object" of the study -don Juan, shaman and qui- becomes the subject that studies and the subject -Carlos Castaneda, anthropologist- becomes the object of study and experimentation. Not only does it change the position of the elements of the relationship but it also changes. The subject / object duality - the subject that knows and the object to be known - vanishes and the teacher / neophyte appears in its place. The relation of scientific order is transformed into one of magic-religious order. In the initial relationship, the anthropologist wants to know the other; in the second, the neophyte wants to become another.

The conversion is double: that of the anthropologist in sorcerer and that of anthropology in another knowledge. As a story of his conversion, Castaneda's books adjoin one extreme with ethnography and in another with phenomenology, rather than religion, of the experience I have called of otherness. This experience is expressed in magic, religion and poetry but not only in them: from the Paleolithic to our days is a central part of the life of men and women. It is a constitutive experience of man, like work and language. It encompasses the children's game to the erotic encounter and knowing only in the world to feel part of the world. It is a detachment from the self that we are (or think we are) towards the other that we are also and that is always different from us. Detachment: appearance: Experience of the strangeness of being men. As a critical destruction of anthropology, Castaneda's work borders on the opposite frontiers of philosophy and religion. Those of philosophy because it proposes to us, after a radical critique of reality, another knowledge, non-scientific and non-logical; those of religion because that knowledge demands a change of nature in the initiate: a conversion. The other knowledge opens the doors of the other reality on the condition that the neophyte becomes another. The ambiguity of meanings unfolds in the center of Castaneda's experience. His books are the chronicle of a conversion, the story of a spiritual awakening and, at the same time, are the rediscovery and defense of a knowledge scorned by the West and contemporary science. The subject of knowledge is linked to the power and both to the metamorphosis: the man who knows (the sorcerer) is the man of power (the warrior) and both, knowledge and power, are the keys to change. The sorcerer can see the other reality because he sees it with other eyes - with the eyes of the other."

Just bumping through to read later. Anon

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☠️∞⚡∞☠️  Wrote: (07-15-2018 03:05 AM)
Finally something constructive.

its but all about their Tao dualistic realm - your prison .

so tell me the 'positive' .
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...190044.htm
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"Scientists at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute have found that when just 10 percent of the population holds an unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted by the majority of the society. The scientists, who
are members of the Social Cognitive Networks Academic Research Center (SCNARC) at Rensselaer, used computational and analytical methods to discover the tipping point where a minority belief becomes the majority opinion. The finding has
implications for the study and influence of societal interactions ranging from the spread of innovations to the movement of political ideals.

"When the number of committed opinion holders is below 10 percent, there is no visible progress in the spread of ideas. It would literally take the amount of time comparable to the age of the universe for this size group to reach the majority,"
said SCNARC Director Boleslaw Szymanski, the Claire and Roland Schmitt Distinguished Professor at Rensselaer. "Once that number grows above 10 percent, the idea spreads like flame."

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Explosions by your Double

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150417...e-at-night


Our article about “exploding head syndrome” prompted many of you to share your strange and intriguing stories, says William Park. In our recent article about living with exploding head syndrome, we talked to Niels Nielsen about his experiences with the condition. Despite being relatively unheard of it’s surprisingly common, with 18% of students in one study reporting, that they had experienced the phenomenon Nielsen describes the feeling as a “sudden crescendo of noise, then a profound and jarring explosion of sound, electrical fizzing and a bright flash”. This description prompted many of you to come forward with your own stories. For some, this was the first time they had come across the condition. Garry Fowler, for instance, had no idea about the syndrome: “I have had this happen many times but had no idea of its cause or that it was a recognised syndrome.”
And he wasn’t alone. Mat Porton commented that he only realised it was a recognised condition when he heard it discussed on Radio 4. Jess Dominguez added: “It’s comforting to know I’m not crazy and that these are real things I’ve experienced.”
For some, like Kimia Mokhtari Aubin, it only happens once a lifetime, but others have been left haunted by the experience after many years. Aza Mohammed reached out to us by email to share a story from his childhood in Iraq. During the Iraq-Iran war, he and his classmates were evacuated from his school because of a bomb scare. That night he was woken up by an explosion and he ran to his parents in tears, only for them to tell him that no bomb had gone off. Even 30 years later he is unable to explain why his ears were still buzzing from the sound long after he woke up.Several others, like Ivy Deseaux Putnam, also said the noise of exploding head syndrome sounded like gunshots or bombs to them: “[It] sounds like gunshots in my bedroom, a glass door shattering or a sonic boom above my house.”
Wendy Derbyshire added: “I truly thought a bomb had gone off in the neighbourhood but realised I was mistaken when I checked outside and there was no disturbance. It really was unbelievably loud.”
Irene McNeil got in touch by email to describe her experiences. She too referred to the noise as a gunshot, but her experience left her with severe pain and numbness that took months to subside. No one else who got in touch reported such a strong physical reaction to the phenomenon. She told us that she still feels numbness in her throat even after 30 years.Exploding head sounds like someone turning the volume up on white noise as loud as it will go and leaves my ears ringing.”
When combined with sleep paralysis the experience can be terrifying. After reading this freaky story shared by Rachael Roseann Blythe we were left in awe of how powerfully the condition physically affects the body: “I woke unable to move my body and legs. My baby was crying so I dragged myself out of bed and across the hall, I actually thought I would never walk again. I got to her bed and rested for half an hour hoping that whatever was wrong would stop. It didn’t so I pulled myself back to bed. I couldn’t even speak to ask my other half to help. Most terrifying experience ever.” The combined effect of seeing bright lights, hearing loud noises and being unable to move that comes with sleep paralysis and exploding head syndrome have led some to believe that the conditions could explain alien abduction stories. In our article, Nielsen told us; “I can definitely see how they could gravitate towards a supernatural explanation.”
Some of you told us how you cope with the condition now that you’ve learned how to identify it. Emily Rose Matthews says she is able to ”recognise the feeling immediately” having experienced it regularly, and she is able to jolt herself fully awake with a burst of mental effort to avoid the worst effects. Typically this means she sleeps in cycles of sleep paralysis and jolting awake, but she says she will eventually drift to sleep. The article struck a chord with many of you and it is noticeable how varied the experiences were. Nielsen said the episodes now don’t bother him, but for others it seems that the condition is something they have to live with every day.

‘I have exploding head syndrome’

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150409...d-syndrome
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It’s strange, unpleasant and surprisingly common. Helen Thomson talks to a man whose head regularly ‘explodes’, and discovers how the condition might explain some unexpected experiences, perhaps even alien abductions. “There’s this sudden crescendo of noise, then a profound and jarring explosion of sound, electrical fizzing and a bright flash in my vision, like someone has lit a spotlight in front of my face". It feels electrical... accompanied by a very loud sound — Niels Nielsen
That’s how Niels Nielsen describes what it’s like to live with “exploding head syndrome” – an unpleasant and sometimes terrifying sensation. Others describe it as like a bomb going off next to their head as they fall asleep. Sometimes it occurs just once in a lifetime, for others it happens multiple times a night. The physician Silas Weir Mitchell first described the disorder in 1876, when he described two men who suffered from what he called “sensory discharges” – the men themselves described it as hearing “loud bells” or a “gunshot” that would wake them from sleep. But despite its provocative and intriguing name, there has been relatively little research into the disorder. There's now a theory, however, that the condition and related sleep disturbances may help explain apparently unrelated cultural phenomena, specifically the origins of alien abductions, government conspiracy theories, and supernatural demons. So what do we know about this nocturnal experience? Well, it may not be as rare as you might think. In a study published last month, 211 students were asked whether they had ever experienced the condition – 18% said yes. However, this sample is probably not reflective of its true prevalence since students are prone to lack of sleep – a factor known to increase the risk of experiencing the phenomenon..."


The mind-bending effects of foreign accent syndrome

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150513...t-syndrome

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Russian Matreshki, inserted one into another one, could be a good example of the non-physical bodies surrounding our physical bodies. That includes the Second body (Etheric), Astral and Mental bodies Robert Monroe was talking about in his books. Other bigger bodies have different, faster vibration, of Higher Levels of Consciousness! Russian Matreshki, inserted one into another one, could be also a good example of us and our other personalities (Alters)! It might sound strange, but Raping of Humans of any age and gender was allowed by our Higher Selves, because it created more Parallel Personalities, so needed at the End of Life of Our Old Universe! Often it was staged by Our Higher Selves, because they don't consider us as physical bodies, but Energies, which need to be mixed with other Energies!


Carlos Castaneda, a relevant story about Stalking from "The Power of Silence"

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"...Returning to his story, don Juan said, that the Nagual used Tulio, the unsociable member of his household, to deliver a new shattering blow to his psychological Continuity. Don Juan said, that all the apprentices, including himself, had never been in total agreement about anything, except, that Tulio was a contemptibly (despicable) arrogant little man. They hated Tulio, because he either avoided them or snubbed (behaved coldly towards) them. He treated them all with such disdain (despise, contempt), that they felt like dirt. They were all convinced, that Tulio never spoke to them, because he had nothing to say;
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and that his most salient (striking) feature, his arrogant aloofness (indifference), was a cover for his timidity. Yet in spite of his unpleasant personality, to the chagrin (annoyance) of all the apprentices, Tulio had undue influence on the household - especially on the Nagual Julian, who seemed to dote (lavished with excessive fondness) on him. One morning the Nagual Julian sent all the apprentices on a day-long errand to the city. The only person left in the house, besides the older members of the household, was don Juan. Around midday the Nagual Julian headed for his study to do his daily bookkeeping. As he was going in, he casually asked don Juan to help him with the accounts. Don Juan began to look through the receipts and soon realized, that to continue he needed some information, that Tulio, the overseer of the property, had, and had forgotten to note down. The Nagual Julian was definitely angry at Tulio's oversight, which pleased don Juan. The Nagual impatiently ordered don Juan to find Tulio, who was out in the fields, supervising the workers, and ask him to come to the study. Don Juan, gloating (regard with malicious pleasure) at the idea of annoying Tulio, ran half a mile to the fields, accompanied, of course, by a field hand to protect him from the Monstrous Man. He found Tulio supervising the workers from a distance, as always. Don Juan had noticed, that Tulio hated to come into direct contact with people and always watched them from afar. In a harsh voice and with an exaggeratedly imperious (authoritative) manner, don Juan demanded, that Tulio accompany him to the house, because the Nagual required his services. Tulio, his voice barely audible, replied, that he was too busy at the moment, but that in about an hour he would be free to come.
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Don Juan insisted, knowing, that Tulio would not bother to argue with him and would simply dismiss him with a turn of his head. He was shocked when Tulio began to yell obscenities at him. The scene was so out of character for Tulio, that even the farm workers stopped their labor and looked at one another questioningly. Don Juan was sure they had never heard Tulio raise his voice, much less yell improprieties. His own surprise was so great, that he laughed nervously, which made Tulio extremely angry. He even hurled a rock at the frightened don Juan, who fled. Don Juan and his bodyguard immediately ran back to the house. At the front door they found Tulio. He was quietly talking and laughing with some of the Women. As was his custom, he turned his head away, ignoring don Juan. Don Juan began angrily to chastise him for socializing there, when the Nagual wanted him in his study. Tulio and the Women looked at don Juan, as if he had gone mad.
But Tulio was not his usual self that day. Instantly he yelled at don Juan to shut his damned mouth and mind his own damned business. He blatantly accused don Juan of trying to put him in a bad light with the Nagual Julian. The Women showed their dismay (discouragement) by gasping loudly and looking disapprovingly at don Juan. They tried to calm Tulio. Don Juan ordered Tulio to go to the Nagual's study and explain the accounts. Tulio told him to go to hell. Don Juan was shaking with anger. The simple task of asking for the accounts had turned into a nightmare. He controlled his temper. The Women were watching him intently, which angered him all over again. In a silent rage he ran to the Nagual's study. Tulio and the Women went back to talking and laughing quietly, as though they were celebrating a private joke.
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Don Juan's surprise was total when he entered the study and found Tulio sitting at the Nagual's desk, absorbed in his bookkeeping. Don Juan made a supreme effort and controlled his anger. He smiled at Tulio. He no longer had the need to confront Tulio. He had suddenly understood, that the Nagual Julian was using Tulio to test him, to see if he would lose his temper. He would not give him that satisfaction. Without looking up from his accounts, Tulio said, that if don Juan was looking for the Nagual, he would probably find him at the other end of the house. Don Juan raced to the other end of the house to find the Nagual Julian walking slowly around the patio with Tulio at his side. The Nagual appeared to be engrossed in his conversation with Tulio. Tulio gently nudged the Nagual's sleeve and said in a low voice, that his assistant was there. The Nagual matter-of-factly explained to don Juan everything about the account they had been working on. It was a long, detailed, and thorough explanation. He said then, that all don Juan had to do was to bring the account book from the study, so that they could make the entry and have Tulio sign it. Don Juan could not understand what was happening.
The detailed explanation and the Nagual's matter-of-fact tone had brought everything into the Realm of mundane affairs. Tulio impatiently ordered don Juan to hurry up and fetch the book, because he was busy. He was needed somewhere else.
By now don Juan had resigned himself to being a clown. He knew, that the Nagual was up to something; he had that strange look in his eyes, which don Juan always associated with his beastly jokes. Besides, Tulio had talked more that day, than he had in the entire two years don Juan had been in the house. Without uttering a word, don Juan went back to the study. And as he had expected, Tulio had gotten there first.
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He was sitting on the corner of the desk, waiting for don Juan, impatiently tapping the floor with the hard heel of his boot. He held out the ledger (debit-credit book) don Juan was after, gave it to him, and told him to be on his way. Despite being prepared, don Juan was astonished. He stared at the man, who became angry and abusive. Don Juan had to struggle not to explode. He kept saying to himself, that all this was merely a test of his attitude. He had visions of being thrown out of the house, if he failed the test. In the midst of his turmoil, he was still able to wonder about the speed, with which Tulio managed always to be one jump ahead of him. Don Juan certainly anticipated, that Tulio would be waiting with the Nagual. Still, when he saw him there, although he was not surprised, he was incredulous. He had raced through the house, following the shortest route. There was no way that Tulio could run faster than he. Furthermore, if Tulio had run, he would have had to run right alongside don Juan. The nagual Julian took the account book from don Juan with an air of indifference. He made the entry; Tulio signed it. Then they continued talking about the account, disregarding don Juan, whose eyes were fixed on Tulio. Don Juan wanted to figure out what kind of test they were putting him through. It had to be a test of his attitude, he thought. After all, in that house, his attitude had always been the issue. The nagual dismissed don Juan, saying he wanted to be alone with Tulio to discuss business. Don Juan immediately went looking for the women to find out what they would say about this strange situation. He had gone ten feet when he encountered two of the women and Tulio. The three of them were caught up in a most animated conversation. He saw them before they had seen him, so he ran back to the nagual. Tulio was there, talking with the Nagual.

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Thus, he was trying the second method for destroying Self-Importance, which meant putting don Juan into the state of being called the Place of No Pity. Don Juan was convinced then,
that the Nagual Julian was utterly mad. Hearing him talk about not-doings or about monsters with three thousand heads or about Places of No Pity, don Juan felt almost sorry for him. The Nagual Julian very calmly asked don Juan to go to the storage shed in the back of the house and ask Tulio to come out. Don Juan sighed and did his best not to burst out laughing. The Nagual's methods were too obvious. Don Juan knew, that the Nagual wanted to continue the test, using Tulio.
Don Juan stopped his narration and asked me what I thought about Tulio's behavior. I said, that guided by what I knew about the Sorcerers' World, I would say, that Tulio was a Sorcerer and somehow he was moving his own Assemblage Point in a very sophisticated manner to give don Juan the impression, that he was in four places at the same time.
"So what do you think I found in the shed?" don Juan asked with a big grin.
"I would say either you found Tulio or you didn't find anybody," I replied.
"But if either of these had happened, there would have been no shock to my Continuity," don Juan said.
I tried to imagine bizarre things and I proposed, that perhaps he found Tulio's Dreaming Body. I reminded don Juan, that he himself had done something similar to me with one of the members of his party of Sorcerers.
"No," don Juan retorted. "What I found was a joke, that has no equivalent in reality. And yet it was not bizarre; it was not out of this world. What do you think it was?"
I told don Juan I hated riddles.
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I said, that with all the bizarre things he had made me experience, the only things I could conceive would be more bizarreness, and since that was ruled out, I gave up guessing.
"When I went into that shed I was prepared to find, that Tulio was hiding," don Juan said. "I was sure, that the next part of the test was going to be an infuriating game of hide-and-seek. Tulio was going to drive me crazy hiding inside that shed.
"But nothing I had prepared myself for happened. I walked into that shed and found four Tulios."
"What do you mean, four Tulios?" I asked.
"There were four men in that shed," don Juan replied. "And all of them were Tulio. Can you imagine my surprise? All of them were sitting in the same position, their legs crossed and pressed tightly together. They were waiting for me. I looked at them and ran away screaming. My benefactor held me down on the ground outside the door. And then, truly horrified, I saw how the four Tulios came out of the shed and advanced toward me. I screamed and screamed, while the Tulios pecked me with their hard fingers, like huge birds attacking. I screamed, until I felt something give in me and I entered a state of Superb Indifference. Never in all my life had I felt something so extraordinary. I brushed off the Tulios and got up. They had just been tickling me. I went directly to the Nagual and asked him to explain the four men to me."
What the Nagual Julian explained to don Juan was, that those four men were the paragons (model of Excellence) of Stalking. Their names had been invented by their Teacher, the Nagual Elias, who, as an exercise in Controlled Folly, had taken the Spanish numerals uno, dos, tres, cuatro, added them to the name of Tulio, and obtained in that manner the names Tuliuno, Tuliodo, Tulitre, and Tulicuatro. The Nagual Julian introduced each in turn to don Juan. The four men were standing in a row.
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Don Juan faced each of them and nodded, and each nodded to him. The Nagual said, the four men were Stalkers of Such Extraordinary Talent, as don Juan had just corroborated (confirmed), that praise was meaningless. The Tulios were the Nagual Elias's Triumph; they were the Essence of Unobtrusiveness (not noticable). They were such Magnificent Stalkers that, for all practical purposes, only one of them existed. Although people saw and dealt with them daily, nobody outside the members of the household knew, that there were four Tulios.
Don Juan understood with perfect clarity everything the Nagual Julian was saying about the men. Because of his Unusual Clarity, he knew, he had reached the Place of No Pity. And he understood, all by himself, that the Place of No Pity was a Position of the Assemblage Point, a Position, which rendered (pronounced) Self-Pity inoperative. But don Juan also knew, that his Insight and Wisdom were extremely transitory (occuring briefly). Unavoidably, his Assemblage Point would return to its Point of Departure. When the Nagual asked don Juan, if he had any questions, he realized, that he would be better off paying close attention to the Nagual's explanation, than speculating about his own foresightedness (foresee, look into the Future). Don Juan wanted to know how the Tulios created the impression, that there was only one person. He was extremely curious, because observing them together he realized: they were not really that alike. They wore the same clothes. They were about the same size, age, and configuration. But that was the extent of their similarity. And yet, even as he watched them, he could have sworn, that there was only one Tulio.
The Nagual Julian explained, that the human eye was trained to focus only on the most salient (striking) features of anything, and that those salient features were known beforehand. Thus, the Stalkers' Art was to create an impression by presenting the features they chose, features they knew the eyes of the onlooker were bound to notice.

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By artfully reinforcing certain impressions, Stalkers were able to create on the part of the onlooker an unchallengeable conviction, as to what their eyes had perceived.
The Nagual Julian said, that when don Juan first arrived dressed in his woman's clothes, the Women of his party were delighted and laughed openly. But the man with them, who happened to be Tulitre, immediately provided don Juan with the first Tulio impression. He half turned away to hide his face, shrugged his shoulders disdainfully, as if all of it was boring to him, and walked away - to laugh his head off in private - while the Women helped to consolidate (form into a compact mass, make coherent) that first impression by acting apprehensive, almost annoyed, at the unsociability of the man. From that moment on, any Tulio, who was around don Juan, reinforced that impression and further perfected it, until don Juan's eye could not catch anything, except what was being fed to him. Tuliuno spoke then and said, that it had taken them about three months of very careful and consistent actions to have don Juan blind to anything, except what he was guided to expect. After three months, his blindness was so pronounced, that the Tulios were no longer even careful. They acted normal in the house. They even ceased wearing identical clothes, and don Juan did not notice the difference. When other apprentices were brought into the house, however, the Tulios had to start all over again. This time the challenge was hard, because there were many apprentices and they were sharp. Don Juan asked Tuliuno about Tulio's appearance. Tuliuno answered, that the Nagual Elias maintained Appearance was the Essence of Controlled Folly, and Stalkers Created Appearance by Intending them, rather than by producing them with the aid of props.
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Props created artificial appearances, that looked false to the eye. In this respect, Intending appearances was exclusively an Exercise for Stalkers. Tulitre spoke next. He said, appearances were solicited (seek to obtain by persuasion) from the Spirit. Appearances were asked, were forcefully called on; they were never invented rationally. Tulio's appearance had to be called from the Spirit. And to facilitate that the Nagual Elias put all four of them together into a very small, out-of-the-way storage room, and there the Spirit spoke to them. The Spirit told them, that first they had to Intend their homogeneity (congruous, uniform in composition throughout). After four weeks of total isolation, homogeneity came to them. The Nagual Elias said, that Intent had fused them together and that they had acquired the certainty, that their individuality would go undetected. Now they had to call up the appearance, that would be perceived by the onlooker. And they got busy, calling Intent for the Tulios' appearance don Juan had seen. They had to work very hard to perfect it. They focused, under the direction of their Teacher, on all the details, that would make it perfect. The four Tulios gave don Juan a demonstration of Tulio's most salient (striking) features. These were: very forceful gestures of disdain (despise) and arrogance (haughty, proud, self-important); abrupt turns of the face to the right, as if in anger; twists of their upper bodies, as if to hide part of the face with the left shoulder; angry sweeps of a hand over the eyes, as if to brush hair off the forehead; and the gait (particular fashion of walking or running) of an agile (active, nimble, alert), but impatient person, who is too nervous to decide, which way to go. Don Juan said, that those details of behavior and dozens of others, had made Tulio an unforgettable character. In fact, he was so unforgettable, that in order to project Tulio on don Juan and the other apprentices, as if on a screen, any of the four men needed only to insinuate (introduce subtly) a feature, and don Juan and the apprentices would automatically supply the rest.
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Don Juan said, that because of the tremendous consistency of the Input, Tulio was for him and the others the Essence of a disgusting man. But at the same time, if they searched deep inside themselves, they would have acknowledged, that Tulio was haunting (recurring like a ghost). He was nimble, mysterious, and gave, wittingly (deliberate, ingenious, humorous) or unwittingly, the impression of being a Shadow. Don Juan asked Tuliuno how they had called Intent. Tuliuno explained, that Stalkers called Intent loudly. Usually Intent was called from within a small, dark, isolated room. A candle was placed on a black table with the flame just a few inches before the eyes; then the word Intent was voiced slowly, enunciated (announce, pronounce, articulate) clearly and deliberately as many times as one felt was needed. The pitch of the voice rose or fell without any thought. Tuliuno stressed, that the indispensable (essential, required) part of the Act of Calling Intent was a Total Concentration on what was Intended. In their case, the concentration was on their homogeneity and on Tulio's appearance. After they had been fused by Intent, it still took them a couple of years to build up the certainty, that their homogeneity and Tulio's appearance would be realities to the onlookers..."
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The theory of recapitulation, also called the biogenetic law or embryological parallelism—often expressed using Ernst Haeckel's phrase "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"—is a historical hypothesis that the development of the embryo of an animal, from fertilization to gestation or hatching (ontogeny), goes through stages resembling or representing successive stages in the evolution of the animal's remote ancestors (phylogeny). It was formulated in the 1820s by Étienne Serres based on the work of Johann Friedrich Meckel, after whom it is also known as Meckel-Serres law. Since embryos also evolve in different ways, the shortcomings of the theory had been recognized by the early 20th century, and it had been relegated to "biological mythology"[1] by the mid-20th century.[2][3]

Analogies to recapitulation theory have been formulated in other fields including cognitive development[4][5] and art criticism.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory
Recapitulation - Summarising the Main Points

Recapitulation is the way to get back your lost Energy, get rid of Foreign Energy and remember what you forgot (method for the smatest), "The Art of Dreaming", Carlos Castaneda:
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"...You are not yet ready for a True Merging of Your Dreaming Reality and your Daily Reality,"
he (don Juan) concluded. "You must Recapitulate your Life further."
"But I've done all the Recapitulating possible," I (Carlos) protested. "I've been Recapitulating for years. There is nothing more I can remember about my life."
"There must be much more," he said adamantly (firmly), "otherwise, you wouldn't wake up screaming."
I did not like the idea of having to Recapitulate again. I had done it, and I believed I had done it so well, that I did not need to touch the subject ever again.
"The Recapitulation of our Lives never ends, no matter how well we've done it once," don Juan said. "The reason average people lack volition (willing, choosing, deciding) in their Dreams is, that they have never Recapitulated and their lives are filled to capacity with heavily loaded emotions like memories, hopes, fears, et cetera, et cetera.
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"Sorcerers, in contrast, are relatively free from heavy, binding emotions, because of their Recapitulation. And if something stops them, as it has stopped you at this moment, the assumption is, that there still is something in them, that is not quite clear."
"To Recapitulate is too involving, don Juan. Maybe there is something else I can do instead."
"No. There isn't. Recapitulating and Dreaming go hand in hand. As we regurgitate (vomit up) our lives, we get more and more airborne."
Don Juan had given me very detailed and explicit (specific, clearly defined) instructions about the Recapitulation. It consisted of Reliving the Totality of one's life experiences by Remembering every possible minute detail of them. He saw the Recapitulation as the essential factor in a Dreamer's Redefinition and Redeployment of Energy." The Recapitulation sets Free Energy imprisoned within us, and without this liberated Energy Dreaming is not possible." That was his statement.
Years before, don Juan had coached me to make a list of all the people I had met in my life, starting at the present. He helped me to arrange my list in an orderly fashion, breaking it down into areas of activity, such as jobs I had had, schools I had attended. Then he guided me to go, without deviation, from the first person on my list to the last one, Reliving every one of my interactions with them. He explained, that Recapitulating an event starts with one's Mind, arranging everything pertinent (relevant) to what is being Recapitulated. Arranging means Reconstructing the Event, piece by piece, starting by Recollecting the Physical Details of the surroundings, then going to the person, with whom one shared the interaction, and then going to oneself, to the examination of one's feelings. Don Juan taught me, that the Recapitulation is coupled with a Natural, Rhythmical Breathing.
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Long Exhalations (breathing out) are performed, as the head moves gently and slowly from right to left; and long Inhalations are taken as the head moves back from left to right. He called this act of moving the head from side to side "fanning the event." The Mind examines the event from beginning to end, while the body fans, on and on, everything the Mind focuses on. Don Juan said, that the Sorcerers of Antiquity, the Inventors of the Recapitulation, viewed Breathing as a Magical, Life-Giving Act and used it, accordingly, as a Magical Vehicle; the Exhalation, to eject (expel, throw out) the Foreign Energy, left in them during the Interaction being Recapitulated and the Inhalation to Pull back the Energy, that they, themselves, left behind during the Interaction.
Because of my academic training, I took the Recapitulation to be the process of analyzing one's Life. But don Juan insisted, that it was more involved, than an intellectual psychoanalysis. He postulated (demanded, made claim for) the Recapitulation, as a Sorcerer's Ploy (tactic) to induce a minute, but Steady Displacement of the Assemblage Point. He said, that the Assemblage Point, under the Impact of reviewing Past Actionsand Feelings, goes back and forth between its present site and the site it occupied, when the event, being Recapitulated, took place. Don Juan stated, that the Old Sorcerers' rationale behind the Recapitulation was their conviction, that there is an Inconceivable Dissolving Force in the Universe, which makes organisms live by lending them Awareness. That Force also makes organisms die, in order to extract the same lent Awareness, which organisms have enhanced through their life experiences. Don Juan explained the Old Sorcerers' reasoning. They believed, that since it is Our Life Experience this Force is after (Our Higher Selves and the Source of All Life are also after our Experiences, LM), it is of Supreme Importance, that it can be satisfied with a facsimile ((exact copy or reproduction) of Our Life Experience: the Recapitulation. Having had what it seeks, the Dissolving Force then lets Sorcerers go, free to expand their Capacity to Perceive and Reach with it the Confines of Time and Space.
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When I started again to Recapitulate, it was a great surprise to me, that My Dreaming Practices were automatically suspended the moment My Recapitulation began.
I asked don Juan about this unwanted recess.
"Dreaming requires every bit of our available Energy," he replied. "If there is a deep preoccupation in our life, there is no possibility of Dreaming."
"But I have been deeply preoccupied before," I said, "and my practices were never interrupted."
"It must be then, that every time you thought you were preoccupied, you were only egomaniacally (obsessive preoccupation) disturbed," he said, laughing.
"To be preoccupied, for Sorcerers, means that all your Energy sources are taken on. This is the first time you've engaged your Energy sources in their Totality. The rest of the time, even when you Recapitulated before, you were not completely absorbed."
Don Juan gave me this time a New Recapitulation Pattern. I was supposed to construct a jigsaw puzzle by Recapitulating, without any apparent order, different events of my Life.
"But it's going to be a mess," I protested.
"No, it won't be," he assured me. "It'll be a mess, if you let your pettiness (trivial) choose the events you are going to Recapitulate. Instead, let the Spirit decide.
Be silent, and then get to the event the Spirit Points out."
The results of that pattern of Recapitulation were shocking to me on many levels. It was very impressive to find out that, whenever I Silenced my Mind, a seemingly Independent Force immediately plunged me into a most detailed Memory of some event in my life. But it was even more impressive, that a very orderly configuration (contour, outline) resulted. What I thought was going to be chaotic, turned out to be extremely effective. I asked don Juan why he had not made me Recapitulate in this manner from the start. He replied, that there are two basic rounds to the Recapitulation, that the first is called Formality and Rigidity, and the second - Fluidity.[Image: Romanes.jpg]

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