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The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
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Post: #31
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 06:26 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (07-23-2018 05:25 PM)
and it just keeps getting better (or worse, depending on your outlook)

Alleged Russian agent Maria Butina and the GOP operative linked to the NRA, RNC, Robert Mercer and Cambridge Analytica

do you even live in the us?

When regressives from outside the US work for the same regressive agenda of regressives inside the US is isnt "collusion"... cause reasons.
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Post: #32
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
And the NRA donates to the GOP!
So of course, the GOP got to work straight away to fix this... by changing the tax law. The NRA now no longer has to disclose where they got the money they donate to the GOP.
In other words, they can funnel foreign money to the GOP much easier now!

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/37853...or-secrecy
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Post: #33
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-22-2018 05:18 AM)
they fell for the oldest trick in the book

The old make republicans look bad by convieviently having Russian corruption at every turn trick?

I can't wait to see emails of the Whitehouse dinner menu in Russian.

10 BigMackskis with fries and a side of launch code sauce.
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Post: #34
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 06:54 PM)
And the NRA donates to the GOP!
So of course, the GOP got to work straight away to fix this... by changing the tax law. The NRA now no longer has to disclose where they got the money they donate to the GOP.
In other words, they can funnel foreign money to the GOP much easier now!

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/37853...or-secrecy

You do understand disclosure laws apply accross the board?
To imply that only the NRA and the GOP have anything to do with the mountains of campaign cash is dishonest.
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RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:05 PM)
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 06:54 PM)
And the NRA donates to the GOP!
So of course, the GOP got to work straight away to fix this... by changing the tax law. The NRA now no longer has to disclose where they got the money they donate to the GOP.
In other words, they can funnel foreign money to the GOP much easier now!

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/37853...or-secrecy

You do understand disclosure laws apply accross the board?
To imply that only the NRA and the GOP have anything to do with the mountains of campaign cash is dishonest.

I did not imply they were the only ones.

But it is rather interesting timing that the GOP now makes sure that organizations like the NRA no longer have to disclose the origins of the money they donate to lobby politicians.
Especially since foreign donations to political campaigns are a nono. This is begging for the funneling of foreign money through organizations like the NRA.
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Post: #36
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 06:54 PM)
And the NRA donates to the GOP!
So of course, the GOP got to work straight away to fix this... by changing the tax law. The NRA now no longer has to disclose where they got the money they donate to the GOP.
In other words, they can funnel foreign money to the GOP much easier now!

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/37853...or-secrecy

In the 2000 election cycle the NRA donated $3.2 million in total.
In the 2016 election cycle the NRA donated $1.1 million in total.

Where is all that Russian cash?
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Post: #37
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:09 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:05 PM)
You do understand disclosure laws apply accross the board?
To imply that only the NRA and the GOP have anything to do with the mountains of campaign cash is dishonest.

I did not imply they were the only ones.

But it is rather interesting timing that the GOP now makes sure that organizations like the NRA no longer have to disclose the origins of the money they donate to lobby politicians.
Especially since foreign donations to political campaigns are a nono. This is begging for the funneling of foreign money through organizations like the NRA.

Oh... the GOP has sole responsibility for the law?
When did thay happen?
Because it seems a convenient lie for this moment and not something you could actually believe if you had a brain.
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RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
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Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:09 PM)
I did not imply they were the only ones.

But it is rather interesting timing that the GOP now makes sure that organizations like the NRA no longer have to disclose the origins of the money they donate to lobby politicians.
Especially since foreign donations to political campaigns are a nono. This is begging for the funneling of foreign money through organizations like the NRA.

Oh... the GOP has sole responsibility for the law?
When did thay happen?
Because it seems a convenient lie for this moment and not something you could actually believe if you had a brain.

A Republican president, House, and Senate are a Republican majority. It is the Republican Tax law that made these changes. So yes, they are responsible.

Votes on the bill:
Majority needed to pass Yes No Not voting
Republicans 227 12 0
Democrats 0 191 2
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Post: #39
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
The first question among many to ask when looking at events is: is this fake opposition. The second question is: is this divide and conquer.
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Post: #40
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:20 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:14 PM)
Oh... the GOP has sole responsibility for the law?
When did thay happen?
Because it seems a convenient lie for this moment and not something you could actually believe if you had a brain.

A Republican president, House, and Senate are a Republican majority. It is the Republican Tax law that made these changes. So yes, they are responsible.

Votes on the bill:
Majority needed to pass Yes No Not voting
Republicans 227 12 0
Democrats 0 191 2

Any change made in this congress has no effect on the actions of the NRA during last election.
Isnt that when the supposed collusion took place?
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Post: #41
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Her cousin Marry Boobina is a lot hotter.
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Post: #42
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:45 PM)
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:20 PM)
A Republican president, House, and Senate are a Republican majority. It is the Republican Tax law that made these changes. So yes, they are responsible.

Votes on the bill:
Majority needed to pass Yes No Not voting
Republicans 227 12 0
Democrats 0 191 2

Any change made in this congress has no effect on the actions of the NRA during last election.
Isnt that when the supposed collusion took place?

Yes, and the NRA is under investigation by the FEC. The NRA already used a loophole for their political donations. They use the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, their lobbying arm.

Because the lobbying arm is registered as a social welfare organization it does not have to disclose it's donors. As such, they can pretty much launder foreign money into campaigns already.

Trump's tax law just makes it easier, because there is no longer a need to funnel it through an extra arm to hide the donors.
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Post: #43
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:02 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:45 PM)
Any change made in this congress has no effect on the actions of the NRA during last election.
Isnt that when the supposed collusion took place?

Yes, and the NRA is under investigation by the FEC. The NRA already used a loophole for their political donations. They use the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, their lobbying arm.

Because the lobbying arm is registered as a social welfare organization it does not have to disclose it's donors. As such, they can pretty much launder foreign money into campaigns already.

Trump's tax law just makes it easier, because there is no longer a need to funnel it through an extra arm to hide the donors.

And yet the NRA spent less in the 2016 election cycle than any presidential election year since '92.
Where is all the Russian cash in this 30 low in spending?
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Post: #44
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:06 PM)
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:02 PM)
Yes, and the NRA is under investigation by the FEC. The NRA already used a loophole for their political donations. They use the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, their lobbying arm.

Because the lobbying arm is registered as a social welfare organization it does not have to disclose it's donors. As such, they can pretty much launder foreign money into campaigns already.

Trump's tax law just makes it easier, because there is no longer a need to funnel it through an extra arm to hide the donors.

And yet the NRA spent less in the 2016 election cycle than any presidential election year since '92.
Where is all the Russian cash in this 30 low in spending?

That's bs.
Quote:The audit filed with the state of North Carolina shows that the NRA’s total expenditures exploded to more than $419 million, up from $312 million the prior year.

The jump is even more stark when compared to its spending during the previous two presidential elections in 2012 and 2008, when their outlays topped out at $261 million and $204 million, respectively, according to similar audits.These spending totals include all of the NRA’s operations in 2016, from law enforcement programs and hunter services to education and training.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/11...h-in-2016/
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RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:16 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:06 PM)
And yet the NRA spent less in the 2016 election cycle than any presidential election year since '92.
Where is all the Russian cash in this 30 low in spending?

That's bs.
Quote:The audit filed with the state of North Carolina shows that the NRA’s total expenditures exploded to more than $419 million, up from $312 million the prior year.

The jump is even more stark when compared to its spending during the previous two presidential elections in 2012 and 2008, when their outlays topped out at $261 million and $204 million, respectively, according to similar audits.These spending totals include all of the NRA’s operations in 2016, from law enforcement programs and hunter services to education and training.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/11...h-in-2016/

Added to that, spending graph for politics only:
Note: This accounts for just 1.7 percent of everything the NRA spent on politics.
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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...ra-spends/
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