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The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Isabella
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RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
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Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:02 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 07:45 PM)
Any change made in this congress has no effect on the actions of the NRA during last election.
Isnt that when the supposed collusion took place?

Yes, and the NRA is under investigation by the FEC. The NRA already used a loophole for their political donations. They use the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, their lobbying arm.

Because the lobbying arm is registered as a social welfare organization it does not have to disclose it's donors. As such, they can pretty much launder foreign money into campaigns already.

Trump's tax law just makes it easier, because there is no longer a need to funnel it through an extra arm to hide the donors.

"FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump

By Peter Stone And Greg Gordon

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January 18, 2018 05:00 AM

WASHINGTON

"The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.

FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.

It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections

It’s unclear how long the Torshin inquiry has been ongoing, but the news comes as Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s sweeping investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election, including whether the Kremlin colluded with Trump’s campaign, has been heating up.

All of the sources spoke on condition of anonymity because Mueller’s investigation is confidential and mostly involves classified information.

A spokesman for Mueller’s office declined comment.

Disclosure of the Torshin investigation signals a new dimension in the 18-month-old FBI probe of Russia’s interference. McClatchy reported a year ago that a multi-agency U.S. law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s intervention, begun even before the start of the 2016 general election campaign, initially included a focus on whether the Kremlin secretly helped fund efforts to boost Trump, but little has been said about that possibility in recent months.

The extent to which the FBI has evidence of money flowing from Torshin to the NRA, or of the NRA’s participation in the transfer of funds, could not be learned.

However, the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors.

Two people with close connections to the powerful gun lobby said its total election spending actually approached or exceeded $70 million. The reporting gap could be explained by the fact that independent groups are not required to reveal how much they spend on Internet ads or field operations, including get-out-the-vote efforts.

During the campaign, Trump was an outspoken advocate of the Second Amendment right to bear arms, at one point drawing a hail of criticism by suggesting that, if Clinton were elected, gun rights advocates could stop her from winning confirmation of liberal Supreme Court justices who support gun control laws.

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks,” Trump said at a rally in August 2016. “Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”
Spanish authorities tag Torshin for money laundering

Torshin, a leading figure in Putin’s party, has been implicated in money laundering by judicial authorities in Spain, as Bloomberg News first revealed in 2016. Spanish investigators alleged in an almost 500-page internal report that Torshin, who was then a senator, capitalized on his government role to assist mobsters laundering funds through Spanish properties and banks, Bloomberg reported

A summary obtained by McClatchy of the still-secret report links Torshin to Russian money laundering and describes him as a godfather in a major Russian criminal organization called Taganskaya. "

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-...31139.html

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Post: #47
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Bill Clinton received half a million dollars in 2010 for a speech he gave in Moscow, paid by a Russian firm, Renaissance Capital, that has ties to Russian intelligence. The Clinton Foundation took money from Russian officials and oligarchs, including Victor Kekselberg, a Putin confidant. The Foundation also received millions of dollars from Uranium One, which was sold to the Russian government in 2010, giving Russia control of 20% of the uranium deposits in the U.S. — the sale required approval from Hillary Clinton's State Department. What's more, at least some of these donations weren't disclosed. "Ian Telfer, the head of the Russian government's uranium company, Uranium One, made four foreign donations totaling $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all such donors," the Times has reported.

JOHN PODESTA In March — that is, long after the election was over — it was revealed that Mrs. Clinton's campaign chairman had failed to disclose the receipt of 75,000 shares of stock from a Kremlin-financed company — Joule Unlimited — for which he served as director from 2010 to 2014, when he joined the Obama White House in 2014. Podesta apparently had a large chunk of the shares transferred to "Leonidio Holdings, a brand-new entity he incorporated only on Dec. 20, 2013, about 10 days before he entered

https://www.investors.com/politics/comme...sia-nexus/
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Post: #48
RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:16 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:06 PM)
And yet the NRA spent less in the 2016 election cycle than any presidential election year since '92.
Where is all the Russian cash in this 30 low in spending?

That's bs.
Quote:The audit filed with the state of North Carolina shows that the NRA’s total expenditures exploded to more than $419 million, up from $312 million the prior year.

The jump is even more stark when compared to its spending during the previous two presidential elections in 2012 and 2008, when their outlays topped out at $261 million and $204 million, respectively, according to similar audits[ ].These spending totals include all of the NRA’s operations in 2016, from law enforcement programs and hunter services to education and training[/size].
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/11...h-in-2016/

So are you stupid or dishonest?
You could easily have found their political contributions here https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals....cycle=2014

Or do you want to pretend money the NRA gives to high schools rifle teams has an impact on the election?
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When planning a trip to Moscow for a speaking engagement in June 2010, former President Bill Clinton reportedly tried to meet with an official who was part of a Russian state-run company seeking approval to purchase a uranium company with holdings in the United States. Instead, Clinton ended up meeting Vladimir Putin.

A month prior to the trip, Clinton, whose wife, Hillary Clinton, was secretary of state at the time, asked the State Department if it had any “concerns” about a list of 15 people he intended to meet in Russia, The Hill reported Thursday, citing emails and government records.

Among them was Arkady Dvorkovich, an aide to Russia's president at the time, Dmitri Medvedev, and a board director of Rosatom, the state-run atomic energy agency that was vying for a majority stake in Canadian company Uranium One. The company had mines in the United States, and if the deal went through, Russia would gain control of 20 percent of the U.S.'s uranium.

The deal did win approval even though the FBI reportedly "
https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-russia-...eal-689321
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"Hillary Clinton sided with Russia on sanctions as Bill made $500G on Moscow speech"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/...peech.html
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:19 PM)
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:16 PM)
That's bs.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/11...h-in-2016/

So are you stupid or dishonest?
You could easily have found their political contributions here https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals....cycle=2014

Or do you want to pretend money the NRA gives to high schools rifle teams has an impact on the election?

Selective reading much?
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:19 PM)
Added to that, spending graph for politics only:
Note: This accounts for just 1.7 percent of everything the NRA spent on politics.
[Image: fLwiUXY.png]

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...ra-spends/
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RE: The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:19 PM)
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:16 PM)
That's bs.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/11...h-in-2016/

So are you stupid or dishonest?
You could easily have found their political contributions here https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals....cycle=2014

Or do you want to pretend money the NRA gives to high schools rifle teams has an impact on the election?

Are you stupid because you could have easily found out what money CM was talking about if you clicked on the link?

"Reports filed with the Federal Election Commission show that the PAC and nonprofit arms of the NRA spent a combined $54.4 million in the 2016 elections. Most of that spending, $35.2 million, was channeled through the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), the powerful lobbying arm of the NRA.

As a 501©(4) social welfare organization, the NRA-ILA does not have to disclose the donors who fueled its record spending. And in 2016 elections alone, this “dark money” arm of the NRA spent as much as it had in every election going back to 1992, "


From the link I posted on FBI investigating NRA pr Russian money that was donated to Trump campaign.

"However, the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors."

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:09 PM)
Bill Clinton received half a million dollars in 2010 for a speech he gave in Moscow, paid by a Russian firm, Renaissance Capital, that has ties to Russian intelligence. The Clinton Foundation took money from Russian officials and oligarchs, including Victor Kekselberg, a Putin confidant. The Foundation also received millions of dollars from Uranium One, which was sold to the Russian government in 2010, giving Russia control of 20% of the uranium deposits in the U.S. — the sale required approval from Hillary Clinton's State Department. What's more, at least some of these donations weren't disclosed. "Ian Telfer, the head of the Russian government's uranium company, Uranium One, made four foreign donations totaling $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all such donors," the Times has reported.

JOHN PODESTA In March — that is, long after the election was over — it was revealed that Mrs. Clinton's campaign chairman had failed to disclose the receipt of 75,000 shares of stock from a Kremlin-financed company — Joule Unlimited — for which he served as director from 2010 to 2014, when he joined the Obama White House in 2014. Podesta apparently had a large chunk of the shares transferred to "Leonidio Holdings, a brand-new entity he incorporated only on Dec. 20, 2013, about 10 days before he entered

https://www.investors.com/politics/comme...sia-nexus/

Trump's Sec. of Commerce Wilbur Ross was business partners with Victor Kekselberg,
He slammed Hillary for taking a donation to her foundation from Kekselberg and his having close ties to Putin.

Rofl

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Isabella  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:42 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:19 PM)
So are you stupid or dishonest?
You could easily have found their political contributions here https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals....cycle=2014

Or do you want to pretend money the NRA gives to high schools rifle teams has an impact on the election?

Are you stupid because you could have easily found out what money CM was talking about if you clicked on the link?

"Reports filed with the Federal Election Commission show that the PAC and nonprofit arms of the NRA spent a combined $54.4 million in the 2016 elections. Most of that spending, $35.2 million, was channeled through the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), the powerful lobbying arm of the NRA.

As a 501©(4) social welfare organization, the NRA-ILA does not have to disclose the donors who fueled its record spending. And in 2016 elections alone, this “dark money” arm of the NRA spent as much as it had in every election going back to 1992, "


From the link I posted on FBI investigating NRA pr Russian money that was donated to Trump campaign.

"However, the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors."

Heartflowers

It's pretty blatant the NRA funnels foreign money. I am sure they are not the only one by far. It's shocking how easy it is too.
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Trumps peeps detain a russian spy and the establishment lefties complain

GO FIGURE

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:52 PM)
Trumps peeps detain a russian spy and the establishment lefties complain

GO FIGURE

Lmonkey

You need to figure out what you're talking about because according to Trump's peeps there are no Russian spies.lol

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I think this is important to get this far right Russia/US/NRA BS exposed for what it is naked corruption. Scream1

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"If you add together all of the NRA’s contributions to candidates, parties and leadership political action committees between 1998 and 2016, it comes to more than $13 million, according to calculations from the Center for Responsive Politics’ database."
From your politifact link^^^

Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-23-2018 10:19 PM)
So are you stupid or dishonest?
You could easily have found their political contributions here https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals....cycle=2014

Or do you want to pretend money the NRA gives to high schools rifle teams has an impact on the election?

Selective reading much?
Critical Mess  Wrote: (07-23-2018 09:19 PM)
Added to that, spending graph for politics only:
Note: This accounts for just 1.7 percent of everything the NRA spent on politics.
link to image: https://i.imgur.com/fLwiUXY.png

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...ra-spends/

Because the whole smear campaign here is that the NRA Is being used to funnel dirty money into political pockets.
Trying to imply money not given to campaigns is given to politicians is bullshit.
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