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The NRA really badly wants the Butina story to go away.
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Quote:The pair of Russians spent years building ties with the NRA, as we reported in our recent investigation. And according to a New York Times report this week, the NRA “repeatedly brought Butina from her native Russia to the United States for events until she obtained a student visa in August 2016.”

Beginning back in 2013, Butina developed a relationship with an unnamed “American political operative” described in the court documents, who has been identified in media reports as GOP activist and NRA member Paul Erickson. In her private communications with Erickson, Butina spoke of the key influence of the NRA on the Republican Party, noting that the gun group is “the largest sponsor of the elections to the US congress.” Through Erickson and her connections with the NRA, Butina sought to establish “‘back channel’ lines of communication” to influential political figures. In photos that she posted to her Facebook page, she posed with Republican politicians, including former presidential candidates Scott Walker and Bobby Jindal, and former US Sen. Rick Santorum.

As the putative founder of a Russian group called The Right to Bear Arms, Butina forged connections with NRA executives, including former NRA President David Keene, whom she was in extensive contact with over several years. Keene traveled to Moscow in November 2013 at the invitation of Butina and Torshin to attend a Right to Bear Arms event. That same month, future Trump national security adviser John Bolton—then a member of the NRA’s “international affairs subcommittee”—recorded a video address talking up gun rights at Keene’s request, which Right to Bear Arms purportedly used to lobby the Russian legislature. (Private gun ownership is relatively minimal in Russia.)

The following January, Torshin published a gun appreciation piece in the Washington Times, where Keene was the op-ed editor at the time. That April, Torshin and Butina attended the NRA convention in Indianapolis, where Butina joined Keene for meetings. In the fall of 2014, Erickson traveled to Moscow to attend a Right to Bear Arms meeting with Butina.

Then in late March 2015—two days before Butina emailed Erickson a plan for further building political connections—she posted on Facebook that she was again headed for the NRA annual convention. Butina and Torshin both traveled to Nashville for the event that April, one of multiple NRA annual conventions that the pair of Russians attended between 2012 and 2016. There, Butina and Torshin met Scott Walker. According to a report in Bloomberg, Torshin also met and had a “jovial exchange” with Trump.

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Lavrov tells Pompeo: free Russian woman accused in U.S. of espionage
Source: Reuters


JULY 21, 2018 / 10:59 AM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO

Reuters Staff

"MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia’s foreign minister told his U.S. counterpart on Saturday that a woman arrested in the United States on accusations she was a Russian agent had been detained on “fabricated charges” and should be released.

Sergei Lavrov made the comments about Maria Butina in a phone call to U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that was aimed at improving bilateral relations, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement in the wake of the recent summit in Helsinki.

On Wednesday, a U.S. judge ordered Butina jailed until her trial after U.S. prosecutors argued she has ties to Russian intelligence and could flee the United States.

Butina has been accused of working with a high-powered Russian official and two unidentified U.S. citizens, trying to infiltrate a pro-gun rights organization in the United States and influence the United States’ foreign policy toward Russia."


Lavrov said the actions of the American authorities, who arrested Butina “on the basis of fabricated charges”, were unacceptable and called for her release as soon as possible."

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TREASON NEWS  Wrote: (07-16-2018 10:18 PM)
Maria Butina, a Russian national, has been charged with acting as a surreptitious Russian agent and establishing a secret back channel with the GOP through the NRA.

More likely to come on this; no wonder GOP members of HPSCI refused Dem request to bring her and others in.

Russian National Charged in Conspiracy to Act as an Agent of the Russian Federation Within the United States
Monday, July 16, 2018

Maria Butina, 29, a Russian citizen residing in Washington D.C., was arrested on July 15, 2018, in Washington, D.C., and made her initial appearance this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. She was ordered held pending a hearing set for July 18, 2018.

According to the affidavit in support of the complaint, from as early as 2015 and continuing through at least February 2017, Butina worked at the direction of a high-level official in the Russian government who was previously a member of the legislature of the Russian Federation and later became a top official at the Russian Central Bank. This Russian official was sanctioned by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control in April 2018.

The court filings detail the Russian official’s and Butina’s efforts for Butina to act as an agent of Russia inside the United States by developing relationships with U.S. persons and infiltrating organizations having influence in American politics, for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation. The filings also describe certain actions taken by Butina to further this effort during multiple visits from Russia and, later, when she entered and resided in the United States on a student visa. The filings allege that she undertook her activities without officially disclosing the fact that she was acting as an agent of Russian government, as required by law.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/russian-n...ted-states

LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-16-2018 10:21 PM)
The arrest of Maria Butina shows at least two things:

1. The Russians used the NRA to influence US elections. Some questions are did NRA officials know and what did the influence consist of?

2. Another f*#k you to Donald Trump by the US Justice Deptartement

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Isabella  Wrote: (07-16-2018 10:46 PM)
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(MUST-SEE VIDEO) The Russian national who asked this question of Trump about sanctions, Maria Butina, was just charged with a major crime. There's *every possibility* that Trump knew this woman when he called on her—as her boss says he's a friend of Trump.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-16-2018 11:04 PM)
US Indicts Russian Gun Activist Who Interacted with NRA and the Trump Campaign
Maria Butina is charged with conspiracy.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201...ussia-nra/

Rayne  Wrote: (07-17-2018 04:09 AM)
Ruh roh! It's going to get nasty.


"Russian foreign agent Maria Butina has been charged with operating as an undisclosed foreign agent, tasked with infiltrating the NRA and other conservative political organizations in the US on behalf of Russia. It turns out her gun rights front group, Right to Bear Arms, paid for Sheriff David Clarke’s trip to Moscow."

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/oh-...the-barrel
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Isabella  Wrote: (07-22-2018 05:05 AM)
Lavrov tells Pompeo: free Russian woman accused in U.S. of espionage
Source: Reuters


JULY 21, 2018 / 10:59 AM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO

Reuters Staff

"MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia’s foreign minister told his U.S. counterpart on Saturday that a woman arrested in the United States on accusations she was a Russian agent had been detained on “fabricated charges” and should be released.

Sergei Lavrov made the comments about Maria Butina in a phone call to U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that was aimed at improving bilateral relations, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement in the wake of the recent summit in Helsinki.

On Wednesday, a U.S. judge ordered Butina jailed until her trial after U.S. prosecutors argued she has ties to Russian intelligence and could flee the United States.

Butina has been accused of working with a high-powered Russian official and two unidentified U.S. citizens, trying to infiltrate a pro-gun rights organization in the United States and influence the United States’ foreign policy toward Russia."


Lavrov said the actions of the American authorities, who arrested Butina “on the basis of fabricated charges”, were unacceptable and called for her release as soon as possible."

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russi...e=facebook
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The OP is pretty long article but worth a quick scan. Quite a bit of added information since the story broke.

Quote:A lawyer for Butina has denied the federal charges, calling them “overblown.” Butina appeared at a hearing in federal court on Wednesday in Washington, where her lawyer said she had cooperated with an FEC inquiry in March regarding contributions to a political committee (no further details of which were specified at the hearing). The latest court filing from prosecutors on Wednesday alleged that Butina offered sex to another American, whose identity is unknown, in “exchange for a position within a special interest organization.”

According to a report earlier this year from McClatchy, the FBI has been investigating whether Torshin illegally funneled money to the Trump campaign through the NRA. (The FBI would “neither confirm nor deny” the investigation to Mother Jones.)

The Butina case is being prosecuted by the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the National Security Division of the Justice Department; it is unclear to what degree the case may relate to the ongoing investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller. But a near certainty is that additional significant details from the case will emerge.

Butina in Moscow with former NRA President David Keene; posted November 2013

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The NRA seemed emboldened by the 2016 election. Sheriff Clarke gave another speech for the political arm of the organization at the 2017 annual convention in Atlanta, where he boasted, “You know I worked hard to get Donald Trump elected president of the United States.” As the crowd applauded, he added, “You see, these rat bastards on the left never give up. For them, election defeats don’t matter. It’s simply a time to regroup and continue their assault on our constitution, the rule of law, liberty, and American exceptionalism.”

Two weeks after the high school massacre this February in Parkland, Florida, NRA Executive Director Chris Cox met privately in the Oval Office with Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, and then announced, “POTUS & VPOTUS support the Second Amendment, support strong due process and don’t want gun control. #NRA #MAGA.”
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Wow! Make sure to check this out.
A Treasure Trove of information.




Ladd Everitt
I’m a longtime advocate for gun violence prevention who isn’t scared of the NRA.
Mar 14, 2017
From Russia with Love for the NRA

A constantly updated timeline of the relationship between the Putin government and the NRA.

February 2010 to July 19,2018


https://medium.com/@LaddEveritt/from-rus...c69088fe41

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they fell for the oldest trick in the book
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Isabella  Wrote: (07-22-2018 05:17 AM)
Wow! Make sure to check this out.
A Treasure Trove of information.




Ladd Everitt
I’m a longtime advocate for gun violence prevention who isn’t scared of the NRA.
Mar 14, 2017
From Russia with Love for the NRA

A constantly updated timeline of the relationship between the Putin government and the NRA.

February 2010 to July 19,2018


https://medium.com/@LaddEveritt/from-rus...c69088fe41
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looks like not even fallacy will save them with this one..

defending indefensible malevolence must quite a chore.
I wonder if it is just hate that drives them.

got to be something deeply powerful.. god maybe.

I wonder if they think 'God told me to let Russia destroy America for it's own good'?

the mind boggles
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So do the (eek!) Russians want to influence the NRA to disarm us,
or keep us armed for some unknown reason?
And if they want us disarmed so they can invade,
doesn't that put a kink in you Libs "bend over" foreign-policies?
Oh, I forgot--now you all want WW3.
WTF Man? U is seriously messed up.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-22-2018 05:47 AM)
So do the (eek!) Russians want to influence the NRA to disarm us,
or keep us armed for some unknown reason?
And if they want us disarmed so they can invade,
doesn't that put a kink in you Libs "bend over" foreign-policies?
Oh, I forgot--now you all want WW3.
WTF Man? U is seriously messed up.

everything you just typed is a fallacy

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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (07-22-2018 04:56 AM)
Quote:The pair of Russians spent years building ties with the NRA, as we reported in our recent investigation. And according to a New York Times report this week, the NRA “repeatedly brought Butina from her native Russia to the United States for events until she obtained a student visa in August 2016.”

Beginning back in 2013, Butina developed a relationship with an unnamed “American political operative” described in the court documents, who has been identified in media reports as GOP activist and NRA member Paul Erickson. In her private communications with Erickson, Butina spoke of the key influence of the NRA on the Republican Party, noting that the gun group is “the largest sponsor of the elections to the US congress.” Through Erickson and her connections with the NRA, Butina sought to establish “‘back channel’ lines of communication” to influential political figures. In photos that she posted to her Facebook page, she posed with Republican politicians, including former presidential candidates Scott Walker and Bobby Jindal, and former US Sen. Rick Santorum.

As the putative founder of a Russian group called The Right to Bear Arms, Butina forged connections with NRA executives, including former NRA President David Keene, whom she was in extensive contact with over several years. Keene traveled to Moscow in November 2013 at the invitation of Butina and Torshin to attend a Right to Bear Arms event. That same month, future Trump national security adviser John Bolton—then a member of the NRA’s “international affairs subcommittee”—recorded a video address talking up gun rights at Keene’s request, which Right to Bear Arms purportedly used to lobby the Russian legislature. (Private gun ownership is relatively minimal in Russia.)

The following January, Torshin published a gun appreciation piece in the Washington Times, where Keene was the op-ed editor at the time. That April, Torshin and Butina attended the NRA convention in Indianapolis, where Butina joined Keene for meetings. In the fall of 2014, Erickson traveled to Moscow to attend a Right to Bear Arms meeting with Butina.

Then in late March 2015—two days before Butina emailed Erickson a plan for further building political connections—she posted on Facebook that she was again headed for the NRA annual convention. Butina and Torshin both traveled to Nashville for the event that April, one of multiple NRA annual conventions that the pair of Russians attended between 2012 and 2016. There, Butina and Torshin met Scott Walker. According to a report in Bloomberg, Torshin also met and had a “jovial exchange” with Trump.

more:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201...-campaign/

Trump enablers and NRA schlepper's rejoice !
It is not going anywhere anytime soon
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Thanks, did read the 2 MJ's pieces and followed a link to this on NRA-Trump Jr.
Still haven't found if the SHARE Act was passed, what I've just read is that it was held up due to the Baseball field shooting and the Las Vegas one.


I Love Your Product”

"How Donald Trump Jr. Helped Push the Now Highly Controversial Gun Silencer Bill

"The president’s eldest son is a close ally of a key figure behind a bill that was set to pass the House prior to the Las Vegas shooting"

Gideon Resnick
Andrew Desiderio
10.02.17 5:25 PM ET

For the second time in three months, a bill that would ease regulations on the purchase of suppressors for firearms and counts the president’s eldest son among its top boosters has been sidelined by a high-profile domestic shooting.

That bill, known as the Hearing Protection Act, which was rolled into the pre-existing Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement (SHARE) Act, was supposed to have a hearing on June 14—the day of the shooting that targeted GOP members of Congress who were practicing for the congressional baseball game."

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-donald...encer-bill

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The Dems only hope is to start a Nuclear Conflagration
in the hope it will kill enough Republicans to let them
ever win another fair election. Otherwise, They are history.
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THE NRA Does Not GIVE 2Shits About
RUSSIANS or What Anyone Thinks!

In RUSSIA There is a Very Large 2nd AMENDMENT MOVEMENT!
The RUSSIANS also Want the SAME Rights as AMERICANS!

There has been a very large PUSH to Sell Guns in RUSSIA!
RUSSIANS Want the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Also!

ITs REALLY A NOBRAINER!
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And F#Ck Mueller and the Libturds!
We can Spread Americanism to RUSSIA any F#CKING Time We want!
We do not need his Permission! Stick it Up his LibturdAss!

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-22-2018 05:51 AM)
The Dems only hope is to start a Nuclear Conflagration
in the hope it will kill enough Republicans to let them
ever win another fair election. Otherwise, They are history.

Yeah! Exposing corruption and collusion is intended to cause nuclear war! Ihoohase

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Maria Butina sure got around.chuckle

April 28 2016 - 00:04
Russians Their Guns And the State

"U.S. gun enthusiasts live in constant fear of the federal government confiscating their weapons. For Russian gun owners, such a fear may be about to become a reality. On April 14, President Vladimir Putin, announced the formation of a new National Guard, and declared one of its key fuctions would be to control firearms.

"We are creating the National Guard to limit the circulation of weapons in the country," he told the Russian people during his annual "direct line" national call-in show. What wasn't clear was whether Putin was referring to guns legally owned by law-abiding Russians or to the stockpiles of illegal weapons flowing throughout Russia, fueled by the numerous wars on its borders.

Russia has a short history of private gun ownership — it was rare during the Soviet era — but the country's stillborn civil society has started to push for greater access to firearms. Despite the government's apparent willingness to make concessions, statistics still show that many gun-owning Russians prefer to skirt the bureaucracy and keep their unregistered guns off the radar — for one reason or another.

Up until now, the Kremlin had shown little sign of obvious concern. Yet, as millions of unchecked firearms flow through a nation reeling from economic crisis, some of their calculations are changing.

According to the most recent international surveys, roughly 9 percent of Russians own a firearm. Of the estimated 13 million guns in civilian hands, only around 60 percent are legally registered.

If Putin indeed intends to use the National Guard to track down these weapons, it wouldn't be without precedent. "We have already seen a progressive tightening of the rules for citizens and private security firms alike," says Mark Galeotti, an expert in Russian security services and criminal affairs. "But even after attempts to clean up the registration of firearms, there are many illegal guns in circulation in Russia."

There are, however, reasons to doubt the National Guard has really been set up to search for guns. They have no investigative capacity and the only way to fulfill such a task would be to conduct house-to-house searches, an invasive and labor intensive process.

The types of illegal weapon used for the most serious crimes in Russia — contract killings, terrorism and similar types of activity — are often not unregistered shotguns, but military-issue firearms that Russian citizens don't have access to. "In other words," says Galeotti, "they are stolen from official stocks, essentially through corruption."
Internet Shopping

You don't need to be a corrupt policeman or military officer to procure weapons in Russia. There are many other options, ranging from the physical black markets peppered around Moscow to more modern, darker sources. These are the markets based in far-flung corners of the Internet, absent from the usual indexing services like Google or Yandex.

Those with the requisite technical savvy can get their hands on almost anything they want, provided they know where to look. One source, on condition of strict anonymity, directed The Moscow Times to one such online black market.

The process of getting there requires navigating to the labyrinthine depths of the dark web, and inputting a complicated chain of letters and numbers. Once there, you can access anything from drugs and weapons to information on building bombs. All transactions are facilitated anonymously via the Bitcoin electronic crypto-currency.

Such markets provide troves of information for would-be gun criminals. For example, one forum explains to first time buyers that a gun bought in central Russia costs up to $3,000, while weapons in Crimea are closer to $2,000.

If Interior Ministry statistics are any guide, Russians are more likely than ever to attempt to procure illegal weapons. The ministry recorded 27,000 violations over the course of 2015, an all-time high. The trend coincided with a rising crime rate of 8.6 percent, according to Gazeta.ru.

Some illegal guns are antiques, others are hunting rifles, but they have not been registered. Black-market guns have proliferated while gun ownership laws restrict the number and type of gun legally available.


While the government looks at ways of increasing public safety by reducing gun onwnership, Butina's movement argues the opposite is the only answer. When crime increases, they say, ordinary people should be armed.

"We know a simple truth," says Butina. "More legal guns equal less crime. If a country bans guns, only criminals have access to them. We believe in evening the odds for the average Russian."

Many types of weapons, such as pistols and revolvers, remain off-limits to the Russian public. When they were developed, gun ownership laws were designed to enable Russians to hunt.

The bureaucratic procedure to legally procure a gun is complicated.

Any Russian choosing to legally own a gun is initially limited to a single shotgun, which is subjet to a permit. That permit is only granted after a citizen undergoes background checks, investigations into their criminal history, neighborhood circumstances, mental health and invasive home inspections. They also submit to future snap inspections by police. Five years after receiving a shotgun permit, they can then buy a hunting rifle.

'Evening the Odds'

Maria Butina is the founder of Russia's first gun rights advocacy group. A tall, red-headed Siberian native in her late 20s, Butina called the group "The Right to Bear Arms," and it now boasts 10,000 members.

Butina's group can claim moderate success in influencing government policy. Two years ago, they collected 100,000 signatures petitioning the government to pass the so-called castle doctrine law, legislation that grants citizens the right to defend themselves and their property from danger using lethal force.

The group has also provided legal defense for Russians like Yevgeny Kostirin, who killed an armed intruder, and Alexei Urazov, who severely injured an attacker in his apartment stairwell with a pneumatic pistol, a weapon legal in Russia. The gun advocacy group can boast legal victories in both cases, but their final triumph is yet to be secured. While the State Duma passed the castle doctrine bill in 2014, it is still to be signed into law by the president.

Putin's comments on the National Guard suggest that the Kremlin isn't as keen on the idea of armed citizens as Butina's group would hope. But she is now backed by the Russian gun industry, which — if the U.S. model is any indication — can be a powerful ally."

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https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russ...tate-52720

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