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I Propose a Restoration of Magic
celticskies
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
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Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-08-2018 02:21 PM)
celticskies  Wrote: (08-08-2018 02:11 PM)
I went and read the first link this morning, after your post this am. The first part, familiar, although not the same...at least the way I learned it myself, but the outcome is the same.

The second part about drawing the pentagram with the names is my question. I'm wondering what if those gods names are not your gods? Is it just the action of drawing the symbol of protection with whatever gods or angels one is comfortable with or is it exclusive to those names?

Does it have to be with the right hand? What if you are left handed?

The names are full of power, enhanced by use of other magicians use throughout time, by means of morphic resonance. That said, I would urge anyone to use divine names they are familiar with. People with ancestry in Judeo-Christian backgrounds would be well advised to use the names provided, as they are allegedly the sacrd names of God. I do not warrant the use of other names, but if you use a method of this anyway, I see no harm in it. And by all means, feel free to use whichever hand is more comfortable to you. There will be more effectiveness in using the methods as they have been used for centuries, but individualizing one's practices can be of benefit as well. I hope this answers your questions.

One further note, it is not necessary to believe in God, gods, or any such entities for magic to work. It is less about entreating divine assistance (as with religion) then it is about using tools (in this case divine names) to get one into the right mind-space. I would condition a magician from developing too great a faith in gods, as they are archetypes and mere fractions of the Divine Nature of the Ultimate Source of Creation.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for the clarification.
Yes, that is how it was presented to me...archetypes, and really had no idea I was drawing out magical type systems back when I was doing it.


I have a book about the Golden Dawn, but I've never read it. Anon I was just very interested in the life of W.B. Yeats for a while.

Thanks again for that great answer.
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-06-2018 03:42 PM)
prosthetic brain  Wrote: (08-06-2018 02:50 PM)
would you agree with the staatement of crowley's that "Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will,"?

I do. It makes sandwich making a magical act, of course; but then I've had some truly magical sandwiches. His definition helps one see the universe we live in as a fully magical place, with every act and decision brimming with powerful possibilities. I don't love Crowley, and realize he was deeply flawed, but he had some great insights here and there. His definition of magic is one he got right, imo.

I don't agree with his definition at all, but he spells it with a k, so
he sort of owns that definition.

No magic is possible except for the fact that our soul is not contained
by the body, but is co-extensive with the universe and the noosphere.

So, the "will" is a part of our ego-consciousness known as intellect.
The intellect, as good as it is, is still flawed and requires a lot of help
from nature. The spontaneous perceptions of beauty, humor, and depth
of meaning we find and develop in others and the world around us is
the magic of soul. That's why Jesus said -"for those with eyes to see and ears to hear," and didn't say, "for those with a proper education certificate, and well-developed will-power over nature and over society".

It's just simple faith and
simple perception and ordinary hard-work raising your family that develops soul.
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JohnPrewett
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
Soon many will be empowered with supernatural power.

29 He gives power to the faint,
and to those who have no might He increases strength.
30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary,
and the young men shall utterly fall,
31 but those who wait upon the Lord
shall renew their strength;
they shall mount up with wings as eagles,
they shall run and not be weary,
and they shall walk and not faint. Isaiah 40:29-31

As the disciples were empowered on the day of Pentecost
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Ms Johanna Strange
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
celticskies  Wrote: (08-08-2018 02:47 PM)
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-08-2018 02:21 PM)
The names are full of power, enhanced by use of other magicians use throughout time, by means of morphic resonance. That said, I would urge anyone to use divine names they are familiar with. People with ancestry in Judeo-Christian backgrounds would be well advised to use the names provided, as they are allegedly the sacrd names of God. I do not warrant the use of other names, but if you use a method of this anyway, I see no harm in it. And by all means, feel free to use whichever hand is more comfortable to you. There will be more effectiveness in using the methods as they have been used for centuries, but individualizing one's practices can be of benefit as well. I hope this answers your questions.

One further note, it is not necessary to believe in God, gods, or any such entities for magic to work. It is less about entreating divine assistance (as with religion) then it is about using tools (in this case divine names) to get one into the right mind-space. I would condition a magician from developing too great a faith in gods, as they are archetypes and mere fractions of the Divine Nature of the Ultimate Source of Creation.

That makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for the clarification.
Yes, that is how it was presented to me...archetypes, and really had no idea I was drawing out magical type systems back when I was doing it.


I have a book about the Golden Dawn, but I've never read it. Anon I was just very interested in the life of W.B. Yeats for a while.

Thanks again for that great answer.

You're more than welcome. It's my pleasure.
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
OP when practising The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram is it ok to say the words in English? Thou art, kingdom, and power, and glory, for ever, amen? It has more meaning to me when said in English.
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (07-27-2018 02:43 PM)
Lesson 7: The Four Power of the Sphinx

The Four Powers of the Sphinx contain much secret wisdom. They are:

To Know
To Dare
To Do
And, To Keep Silent

Think about it.

OP are we to keep silent about our magic practise or can we share this with others?
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Ms Johanna Strange
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 10:53 AM)
OP when practising The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram is it ok to say the words in English? Thou art, kingdom, and power, and glory, for ever, amen? It has more meaning to me when said in English.

By saying the words in Hebrew you enjoy the benefits of thousands of magician's work done from hundreds of years by means of morphic resonance, but there is a trade off in meaning. I always recommend that you do what feels most natural to you, as there is power there too.
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Ms Johanna Strange
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 11:46 AM)
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (07-27-2018 02:43 PM)
Lesson 7: The Four Power of the Sphinx

The Four Powers of the Sphinx contain much secret wisdom. They are:

To Know
To Dare
To Do
And, To Keep Silent

Think about it.

OP are we to keep silent about our magic practise or can we share this with others?

Everyone who has ever published a book on magic, or instructed people in magic on a website, has violated this rule of magic. I would caution caution, but I make no restrictions.
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-10-2018 12:50 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 11:46 AM)
OP are we to keep silent about our magic practise or can we share this with others?

Everyone who has ever published a book on magic, or instructed people in magic on a website, has violated this rule of magic. I would caution caution, but I make no restrictions.

what about pointing out time magic?

guy playing guitar wearing clock shirt looks like Manafort, time traveller?:

https://youtu.be/eTDvuvU5bAs?t=3m48s
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Ms Johanna Strange
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 01:45 PM)
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-10-2018 12:50 PM)
Everyone who has ever published a book on magic, or instructed people in magic on a website, has violated this rule of magic. I would caution caution, but I make no restrictions.

what about pointing out time magic?

guy playing guitar wearing clock shirt looks like Manafort, time traveller?:

https://youtu.be/eTDvuvU5bAs?t=3m48s

Pointing out the magic of others doesn't count, so it's totally fine. The advice of the ancients only regards one's own magical workings. I didn't watch the video though.
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
I request a demonstration of magic.
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Ms Johanna Strange
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 09:02 PM)
I request a demonstration of magic.
Popcorn

If you perform the exercises, you will get your demonstration, of your very own magic. Can't beat that. That way, you'll be sure that you're not being tricked.
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Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-10-2018 09:09 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 09:02 PM)
I request a demonstration of magic.
Popcorn

If you perform the exercises, you will get your demonstration, of your very own magic. Can't beat that. That way, you'll be sure that you're not being tricked.

You don't know what demonstration means, do you?
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-06-2018 03:42 PM)
prosthetic brain  Wrote: (08-06-2018 02:50 PM)
would you agree with the staatement of crowley's that "Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will,"?

I do. It makes sandwich making a magical act, of course; but then I've had some truly magical sandwiches. His definition helps one see the universe we live in as a fully magical place, with every act and decision brimming with powerful possibilities. I don't love Crowley, and realize he was deeply flawed, but he had some great insights here and there. His definition of magic is one he got right, imo.

it places magic as simply a matter of exercising will. magic has been traditionally placing yourself in a position to be reception to spirits or the divine or what have you . it , at least to an extent was a matter of humbling yourself , and having the knowlege and grace to do so . what crowley did with this statement was place the individual desire to effect change as the only requisite in performing magic . which is a very dangerous and misinformed practice to undertake imho.

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Ms Johanna Strange
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RE: I Propose a Restoration of Magic
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-10-2018 09:17 PM)
Ms Johanna Strange  Wrote: (08-10-2018 09:09 PM)
If you perform the exercises, you will get your demonstration, of your very own magic. Can't beat that. That way, you'll be sure that you're not being tricked.

You don't know what demonstration means, do you?

I believe you want some kind of sample performance of magic.

I only perform white magic. Demonstrations for the sake of vanity or curiosity are grey magic at best. I am sorry to disappoint you. I'm not some sort of performing conjurer or prestidigitator.
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