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Ukraine Crisis - continued - thread 6
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•REC²  Wrote: (04-19-2015 05:48 PM)
I supported the overthrow of pro western Mubarak Government (and on going uprising against pro western Gov in Bahrain). Poor people in Libya/Syria thought they were going to achieve something similar.


Then you truely are a very shallow person doomed

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Ukrainian Media | Worth believing or not? Sharij about Ukrainian Novyi Kanal | Eng Subs






Mommy, I am scared... Donetsk, Kuybishevskiy district April 17th Eng Subs



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Below, we publish a translation of a statement made by Rada deputy, Elena Bondarenko, on September 10, 2014 . The statement was originally published on her facebook page, but went largely ignored at the time. The recent spate of assassinations in Ukraine has given the statement a new, grizzly relevance, and it is for this reason that we are publishing a translation of it at this late date.

I, Elena Bondarenko, a deputy of Partiya Regionov [Party of the Regions –ed.], which is in opposition to the governing party in Ukraine, would like to make a statement about the fact that the government is directly threatening with assault opposition politicians, depriving them of freedom of speech in the parliament and in other places, as well as conniving in the crimes against opposition leaders and their children.

Persistent threats, an undeclared ban on opposition parties appearing in the majority of Ukrainian mass media, purposeful baiting—these are everyday things in the life of the opposition in Ukraine. Everybody who calls for peace in Ukraine immediately becomes an enemy to the regime as it was, for instance, in 30-40’s Germany or in the USA during the McCarthyite era.

A few days ago the Ukrainian Internal Affairs Minister, Arsen Avakov, said: “When Elena Bondarenko ascends the parliamentary tribune, I want to reach for my gun.”

I emphasise the fact that those are the words of the person who has the main authority over the police in the country. Exactly a week ago the Speaker of the Ukrainian Parliament, Alexander Turchinov, banned me from the parliamentary tribune as a representative of the opposition Party of the Regions. It was done solely because of my words, that “a regime that sends its army to bomb peaceful cities is criminal.” After that, he kindly allowed the parliamentary radicals to call for the shooting of the opposition .

Cont., http://slavyangrad.org/2015/04/18/statem...f-ukraine/

"I tell the coward crusaders, I live in a place where you can't get to and kill me. I live in the hearts of millions."

- Muammar al-Gaddafi
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Enemy Within: Declassified U.S. Documents Show Russian Oligarchs Supported NATO Expansion

Documents from the Clinton administration confirm the slavishly pro-Western policies of the post-Soviet criminal oligarchy

Fifteen years after the then unknown Vladimir Putin took over the Russian presidency, analysts still puzzle over how he arrived in the position. Newly declassified documents from President Bill Clinton’s administration, released to bne IntelliNews, show how Putin's candidacy was a compromise after a fierce battle for power in Russia between pro-US oligarchs and pro-state conservatives. At stake was not just power in Russia, but the crucial question of Russia's relationship with the West.

Russia's 'oligarchy' took power during Yeltsin’s re-election in 1996, when they used his reliance on funding from Russia's leading seven bankers to acquire the cream of the country's resource-producing assets.

According to the documents from the Clinton administration, which were released under a mandatory declassification review, one of the chief ideologists of Russia's freshly minted oligarch system was Russian-Israeli banker and media magnate, Vladimir Gusinsky, owner of Most Bank and TV channel NTV.

Gusinsky came to a November 1996 lunch meeting with US embassy officials with an important message: the oligarchs were here to stay – but they should not be feared by the US. Oligarchy was a fitting governance system for Russia, and would put the country on a pro-US course.

"Russia, Gusinsky explained, was not a democratic or a European country; it is an Asiatic country," he said, according to embassy records, with Gusinsky's name redacted but implicit. "The country was run by an oligarchy, of which businessmen like him were an integral part, and would be for some time," Gusinsky told the US diplomats.

"Our friends in the West" had been right to criticise the oligarchs in the past, he said, but now they had taken on "responsibilities for Russia's national interests”.

Gusinsky "did not deny that many Russian businessmen, including himself, had engaged in dubious activities, especially as they were setting up their operations and accumulating capital”, he told the diplomats. "Nevertheless, a number of big businessmen had now emerged – for example, Berezovsky's seven bankers [Boris Berezovsky himself, Vladimir Gusinsky, Mikhail Fridman, Vladimir Vinogradov, Aleksandr Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Vladimir Potanin] – who were so big and influential that they no longer had to engage in such activities and no longer did," the document reads. Gusinsky claimed that allegations of oligarchs' links to organised crime were spread by Russia's security services, with the aim of stemming capital flight.

Rule of seven bankers

Of all the 1990s oligarchs, none was more powerful than Berezovsky, who coined the phrase "the rule of seven bankers”. Berezovsky attained high political office, allowing him to directly shape Russian domestic and foreign security policy – at the same time as being a citizen of Israel.

Cont., http://russia-insider.com/en/rise-and-fa...archy/5730

"I tell the coward crusaders, I live in a place where you can't get to and kill me. I live in the hearts of millions."

- Muammar al-Gaddafi
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Pro-Donbass protesters march in Zurich
April 19, 2015





Just found this one, published in March, I can't remember if any of us posted this one?


Spain: Pro-Donbass rally in support of detained Spaniards hits Madrid



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Ukraine: Spanish volunteer explains why he joined DPR
Published on 2 Mar 2015



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Post: #2182
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11:11  Wrote: (04-20-2015 04:47 AM)
Enemy Within: Declassified U.S. Documents Show Russian Oligarchs Supported NATO Expansion

Documents from the Clinton administration confirm the slavishly pro-Western policies of the post-Soviet criminal oligarchy

Fifteen years after the then unknown Vladimir Putin took over the Russian presidency, analysts still puzzle over how he arrived in the position. Newly declassified documents from President Bill Clinton’s administration, released to bne IntelliNews, show how Putin's candidacy was a compromise after a fierce battle for power in Russia between pro-US oligarchs and pro-state conservatives. At stake was not just power in Russia, but the crucial question of Russia's relationship with the West.

Russia's 'oligarchy' took power during Yeltsin’s re-election in 1996, when they used his reliance on funding from Russia's leading seven bankers to acquire the cream of the country's resource-producing assets.

According to the documents from the Clinton administration, which were released under a mandatory declassification review, one of the chief ideologists of Russia's freshly minted oligarch system was Russian-Israeli banker and media magnate, Vladimir Gusinsky, owner of Most Bank and TV channel NTV.

Gusinsky came to a November 1996 lunch meeting with US embassy officials with an important message: the oligarchs were here to stay – but they should not be feared by the US. Oligarchy was a fitting governance system for Russia, and would put the country on a pro-US course.

"Russia, Gusinsky explained, was not a democratic or a European country; it is an Asiatic country," he said, according to embassy records, with Gusinsky's name redacted but implicit. "The country was run by an oligarchy, of which businessmen like him were an integral part, and would be for some time," Gusinsky told the US diplomats.

"Our friends in the West" had been right to criticise the oligarchs in the past, he said, but now they had taken on "responsibilities for Russia's national interests”.

Gusinsky "did not deny that many Russian businessmen, including himself, had engaged in dubious activities, especially as they were setting up their operations and accumulating capital”, he told the diplomats. "Nevertheless, a number of big businessmen had now emerged – for example, Berezovsky's seven bankers [Boris Berezovsky himself, Vladimir Gusinsky, Mikhail Fridman, Vladimir Vinogradov, Aleksandr Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Vladimir Potanin] – who were so big and influential that they no longer had to engage in such activities and no longer did," the document reads. Gusinsky claimed that allegations of oligarchs' links to organised crime were spread by Russia's security services, with the aim of stemming capital flight.

Rule of seven bankers

Of all the 1990s oligarchs, none was more powerful than Berezovsky, who coined the phrase "the rule of seven bankers”. Berezovsky attained high political office, allowing him to directly shape Russian domestic and foreign security policy – at the same time as being a citizen of Israel.

Cont., http://russia-insider.com/en/rise-and-fa...archy/5730

Wanted to refresh my scant knowledge of Boris Berezovsky and learn some more.
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All the London scribblers had stuff, as well as the usual suspects on the other side of the Atlantic--I skipped them, figuring their Russia-bashing narrative was well enough covered by wikipedia.

For a deeper look. I chose Justin Raimondo's piece, written just after Berezovsky's death.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/...rip/print/

Useful. Recommended.


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WS, the second video of the man from Spain was very good. He's giving up so much for others. Willing to die in Donbass, if necessary, and I don't suppose he can go back to Spain (in the foreseeable future) because of this terrorism bullshit. My God, the Spanish government is totally sold out to the demons.

Bic, thanks for the Raimondo link. Will read.

The Russia Insider was sickening. The degree to which these bastards were willing, not only to loot Russians, but to court the US to preserve their stolen gains, was and is is vomit worthy.

There's a good Youtube called The Rise of the Russian Oligarchs. In there it said that when the PEOPLE'S assets were given away to these scumbags, the public were issued something like bonds. The newly rich oligarchs promised to pay those bonds as soon as they turned a profit but never paid a cent. Khordorkovsky also raised money from investors to buy state assets and he screwed his big investors, too, never paying them anything.

"I tell the coward crusaders, I live in a place where you can't get to and kill me. I live in the hearts of millions."

- Muammar al-Gaddafi
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11:11  Wrote: (04-20-2015 09:52 AM)
WS, the second video of the man from Spain was very good. He's giving up so much for others. Willing to die in Donbass, if necessary, and I don't suppose he can go back to Spain (in the foreseeable future) because of this terrorism bullshit. My God, the Spanish government is totally sold out to the demons.

Bic, thanks for the Raimondo link. Will read.

The Russia Insider was sickening. The degree to which these bastards were willing, not only to loot Russians, but to court the US to preserve their stolen gains, was and is is vomit worthy.

There's a good Youtube called The Rise of the Russian Oligarchs. In there it said that when the PEOPLE'S assets were given away to these scumbags, the public were issued something like bonds. The newly rich oligarchs promised to pay those bonds as soon as they turned a profit but never paid a cent. Khordorkovsky also raised money from investors to buy state assets and he screwed his big investors, too, never paying them anything.

Do you mean this one? (There are a few different ones with similar titles.)

Восточные Сказки - RUSSIA: The Rise and Fall of the Oligarchs (1:41:20)
- A few posters have it with slightly different titles, sometimes in segments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4qNG8I1E4

I'm 15-20 minutes into it now. Seems good, and informative.

edit to add: Well, I found the first half a lot better than the 2nd. Gave insight into the thinking of the oligarchs (or perhaps just their rationalizations?) and how they adapted to/used the economic situation after the disintegration of the USSR. It gave zero information on their lives and activities pre-collapse and early collapse, however.

The Russian born, raised and educated director, Alexander Gentelev, immigrated to Israel in 1992.

2nd edit to further add: Just watched another documentary of his, "Thieves by Law" (2010), which addresses corruption, organized crime, etc. from 1980s to 2000 or so. Interesting. Just when I was thinking how odd it was Israel never mentioned, some bits about it around 53 or 54 minutes in. A lot more Israel in the credits however.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w8zME-uDtw


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Post: #2185
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Bic  Wrote: (04-20-2015 11:27 AM)
11:11  Wrote: (04-20-2015 09:52 AM)
WS, the second video of the man from Spain was very good. He's giving up so much for others. Willing to die in Donbass, if necessary, and I don't suppose he can go back to Spain (in the foreseeable future) because of this terrorism bullshit. My God, the Spanish government is totally sold out to the demons.

Bic, thanks for the Raimondo link. Will read.

The Russia Insider was sickening. The degree to which these bastards were willing, not only to loot Russians, but to court the US to preserve their stolen gains, was and is is vomit worthy.

There's a good Youtube called The Rise of the Russian Oligarchs. In there it said that when the PEOPLE'S assets were given away to these scumbags, the public were issued something like bonds. The newly rich oligarchs promised to pay those bonds as soon as they turned a profit but never paid a cent. Khordorkovsky also raised money from investors to buy state assets and he screwed his big investors, too, never paying them anything.

Do you mean this one? (There are a few different ones with similar titles.)

Восточные Сказки - RUSSIA: The Rise and Fall of the Oligarchs (1:41:20)
- A few posters have it with slightly different titles, sometimes in segments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4qNG8I1E4

I'm 15-20 minutes into it now. Seems good, and informative.

Let me know if Uncle Stephen is in there Lmao
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Yes, Bic, that was the one I watched. I agree a better documentary could be done.

I remember being "impressed" at how these opportunists scrambled to come up with money to quickly grab these people's assets while the fire sale was on.

"I tell the coward crusaders, I live in a place where you can't get to and kill me. I live in the hearts of millions."

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11:11  Wrote: (04-20-2015 05:50 PM)
Yes, Bic, that was the one I watched. I agree a better documentary could be done.

I remember being "impressed" at how these opportunists scrambled to come up with money to quickly grab these people's assets while the fire sale was on.


I just found much of what was missing (covered up, in fact) here:

Russia/Ukraine begins 15 minutes in.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMbw5X_eeJg

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Not about Ukraine crisis but still very nice to see.


Russo-American truckers on victory tour in honor of WWII

A Russo-American convoy arrived in Orlando on Sunday, as part of a mass road trip to Washington DC, to celebrate the 70th anniversary of Elbe day, a crucial moment during World War II when Russian and American forces came together in 1945. Dozens of people welcomed the cars and trucks, with a group of veterans who fought in World War II among them. The convoy, organized by the Russian-American Center of Florida, will later move to Oregon, carrying on throughout the country until they reach the US capital on April 24, one day before Elbe day.







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[eng cc subs] Greek holiday Artu celebrated by DPR Greeks in Starobeshevo



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20.04.2015 Ukraine Crisis News. Latest news of Ukraine, Russia, NATO, USA, Yemen

Published on 20 Apr 2015 1 hour ago






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