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A "UFO" cannot travel through air without interacting with it.
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RE: A "UFO" cannot travel through air without interacting with it.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2018 04:02 AM)
Anti gravity, ion power, capitation, etc, is simply a means of propulsion, they cannot negate the earths atmosphere.

Any UFO traveling at the speeds described would have to create a sonic boom, disturb clouds, form condensation vortexes, etc. The fact that none of those things are ever described proves that UFOs are not solid objects. They are imaginary or simply hologram type events.

You do not understand the plasma and what it is a product of.
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RE: A "UFO" cannot travel through air without interacting with it.
For mechanical systems, the phase space usually consists of all possible values of position and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_space

Stasis (from Greek στάσις "a standing still")

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation
The Ghost Of LOP  Wrote: (09-06-2018 04:06 AM)
unless it's phased out
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2018 04:44 AM)
op assumes that we understand all states of matter

op also assumes that all ufos are made of matter

you assume your opinion matters .
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good point op .
you are , of course , correct .


"yeah but ....... no but....... phaser" is not a reply .
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Post: #20
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Bugs don't levitate like airplanes. They levitate by the vibrations they put into the surrounding atmosphere. If you have ears you can hear it. Same with ufos.. Them shits is loud. They just record the sound in real time an play it back 1/2 wavelength delayed to cancel out.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2018 04:47 AM)
you do realize a civilization similar to us but a million years older would have technology that to us would appear to be magic.....


they could bend gravity, warp time and space....our sense of physics is pretty rudimentary....who is to say an advanced culture has not learned how to bend and break every so called law of physics?

You are applying our very limited understanding of reality to beings that might be light years ahead of us. That makes zero sense.

As OP said, you are talking about propulsion. Propulsion does not account for our atmosphere. Anything solid moving through out atmosphere is easily observed and detected. A solid ship cuts a void in the air as it passes through and that void must be refilled once it becomes vacant again. That FACT causes a lot of turbulence and noise.
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Post: #22
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Noise cancelling technology.a friend had 3 military helicopters around him close enough to see faces absolutely no sound but he could feel their presence they were American operating in remote Canadian air space.
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Travel assistant  Wrote: (09-06-2018 06:18 AM)
Noise cancelling technology.a friend had 3 military helicopters around him close enough to see faces absolutely no sound but he could feel their presence they were American operating in remote Canadian air space.

We have had stealth helos for almost a decade.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2018 04:02 AM)
Anti gravity, ion power, capitation, etc, is simply a means of propulsion, they cannot negate the earths atmosphere.

Any UFO traveling at the speeds described would have to create a sonic boom, disturb clouds, form condensation vortexes, etc. The fact that none of those things are ever described proves that UFOs are not solid objects. They are imaginary or simply hologram type events.

I am going to agree with you on the parts I bolded
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2018 04:02 AM)
Anti gravity, ion power, capitation, etc, is simply a means of propulsion, they cannot negate the earths atmosphere.

Any UFO traveling at the speeds described would have to create a sonic boom, disturb clouds, form condensation vortexes, etc. The fact that none of those things are ever described proves that UFOs are not solid objects. They are imaginary or simply hologram type events.

I am going to agree with you on the part I bolded

You do have a good point.
I have never witness the SR-71 in flight, so its possible they might not break the sound barrier. Any modern fighter jet traveling at high speeds definitely will and cause a sonic boom.
A whip will break the sound barrier (the snap you hear).
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Post: #26
RE: A "UFO" cannot travel through air without interacting with it.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-06-2018 04:47 AM)
you do realize a civilization similar to us but a million years older would have technology that to us would appear to be magic.....


they could bend gravity, warp time and space....our sense of physics is pretty rudimentary....who is to say an advanced culture has not learned how to bend and break every so called law of physics?

You are applying our very limited understanding of reality to beings that might be light years ahead of us. That makes zero sense.

As OP said, you are talking about propulsion. Propulsion does not account for our atmosphere. Anything solid moving through out atmosphere is easily observed and detected. A solid ship cuts a void in the air as it passes through and that void must be refilled once it becomes vacant again. That FACT causes a lot of turbulence and noise.

What if its not propulsion?
Our concept of the idea of movement always leads us back to propulsion, but what if there is a relativistic movement mechanic?
Some sort of a quantum entanglement on a massive and microscopic scale?
Something small being able to influence something huge?
And that something huge being able to influence something large, or a large area of matter.
Picture a gravitational source that can instantly be on any tangent from a vessel.
If that gravitational force can exert a force on all matter in a given area and it behaves as all universal forces dropping off in effect at a rate of the inverse square it would pull the vessel through space and air with no real difference in behavior.
It would pull the air surrounding the vessel with the same force as is exerted on the vessel.
The air would move with the vessel and the velocity and force exerted on the air would taper off the further from the vessel.
Basically it would be the sci fi warp bubble that allows amazing absolute velocity with a low relative velocity compared to the surrounding area.
A bonus of using something that resembles an external gravity source would be that every atom of the ship and crew would experience no G force, all movements would be a free fall, this allows instant direction change with no stress on ship or crew.
If Einstein is correct and gravity is essentially a surface tension or bend in space time, and the theories of quantum entanglement turn out to be correct there is not much of a leap to entangling with space time itself(dark matter or whatever you want to call it) and bending it to your will.
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Post: #27
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The SR-71 will break the sound barrier.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq8mUnxEBII

SR-71 Blackbird Speed and Altitude Records
http://www.sr71.us/srrcd~1.htm
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Post: #28
RE: A "UFO" cannot travel through air without interacting with it.
lol,thats why all the sonic booms lately,all our planes are being tuned to cancel them out as all jets just got upgrades of ufo tech.op needs to learn electromagnetohydrodynamics.why doesnt the earth have a sonic boom in space.its rotating at a thousand miles an hour,why arent the trees and mountains continually creating sonic booms as theres atmosphere.we live in plasma youngster,we live in a lightbulb.
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Post: #29
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Op you just invalidated any video showing a UFO dusting a fighter jet.
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Travel assistant  Wrote: (09-06-2018 06:18 AM)
Noise cancelling technology.a friend had 3 military helicopters around him close enough to see faces absolutely no sound but he could feel their presence they were American operating in remote Canadian air space.

They cancel out the prop wash noise, but they cant cancel out a sonic boom.
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