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Liar Trump Denies 3,000 People Died In Puerto Rico After Hurricane Maria
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He Man  Wrote: (09-13-2018 07:41 PM)
Rick Scott is the horrible Governor of Florida who is running for FL Senate. But even Scott can believe the research methodology and knows that the number of storm related deaths after hurricane Maria was 2,975 or more.

Angry Trump supporters turn on GOP Senate candidate after he admits 3K Puerto Ricans died from hurricane

"Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who is the Republican Party’s nominee for Senate in the Sunshine State, took to Twitter on Thursday to dispute President Donald Trump’s claim that 3,000 Puerto Ricans didn’t actually die due to Hurricane Maria in 2017.

Specifically, Scott wrote that he “disagrees” with Trump’s claim that Democrats fabricated the entire death toll to make him look bad, and he said that “an independent study said thousands were lost” on Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria last year, despite earlier estimates that just 64 people had died.

“I’ve been to Puerto Rico seven times and saw devastation firsthand,” Scott concluded. “The loss of any life is tragic; the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching. I’ll continue to help Puerto Rico.”

Rick Scott

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I disagree with @POTUS– an independent study said thousands were lost and Gov. Rosselló agreed. I've been to Puerto Rico 7 times & saw devastation firsthand. The loss of any life is tragic; the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching. I'll continue to help PR

Scott’s decision to accurately cite hurricane death toll statistics did not sit well with many Trump supporters, however, and they accused him of being “just another liberal” because he contradicted the president."

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/09/angry-t...hurricane/

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RE: Liar Trump Denies 3,000 People Died In Puerto Rico After Hurricane Maria
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 07:29 PM)
He is a very sick idiot

Probably denies the holocaust too

why don't you?

because some state approved educator told you it as 100% real and the numbers could never be questioned?

Jptdknpa

and this is why our country is a trainwreck...idiots too stupid to question anything

You should actually be questioning everything the government and government controlled schools tell you
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Damn, Trump, just because your a president and have access to all information, doesn't mean you can argue the facts, like household interviews conducted by a liberal university that hates your guts. It's not like your haters have lied before to make you look bad. Geeze, the gall of this guy.
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RE: Liar Trump Denies 3,000 People Died In Puerto Rico After Hurricane Maria
Trump was right:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government...ane-maria/

Official death count 64

People getting killed working on things after the storm do NOT count.

Wonder how many died because PR Mayor left over 100,000 cases of water on the dock?
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pooky  Wrote: (09-13-2018 07:49 PM)
Damn, Trump, just because your a president and have access to all information, doesn't mean you can argue the facts, like household interviews conducted by a liberal university that hates your guts. It's not like your haters have lied before to make you look bad. Geeze, the gall of this guy.

Oh Pooky, why would you cling to Trump's lies?

Gov. Scott of FL is no liberal.

The weather Channel is not Liberal, and neither are these organizations that investigated the number of deaths:

It's Not a Conspiracy: Thousands Died in Hurricane Maria

"In December, a New York Times investigation found that over 1,100 people died in Hurricane Maria. The official death toll at that time grew slightly to 64. For its investigation, the Times studied mortality data from years past and compared it to records from the weeks following the storm.

Seven months after Hurricane Maria, the New England Journal of Medicine published a Harvard University study that estimated the storm’s death toll was 4,600 to 5,800. The study surveyed over 3,000 random households across Puerto Rico and compared its findings to mortality rates from the same period in 2016.

Last month, several reports found that the death toll was far greater than “6 to 18 deaths.” An analysis of death records published in the Journal of the American Medical Association estimated as many as 1,100 people died in Hurricane Maria.

A short while later, the Puerto Rican government claimed, in a report filed to Congress, that the death toll was at least 1,400 people.

At the end of August, the official death toll for Hurricane Maria increased from 64 to 2,975, likely the number President Trump refuted in his tweets. Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rossello raised the death toll after an independent study from the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University found that doctors on the island were not trained properly in how to classify deaths after a disaster.

The president disputed all of these independent studies, repeating an early death toll that only 6 to 18 people died from Hurricane Maria. He previously used the low death toll during a press conference on the island last year when he compared the storm to a “real catastrophe like Katrina.""

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-09-13...death-toll

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 07:59 PM)
Trump was right:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government...ane-maria/

Official death count 64

People getting killed working on things after the storm do NOT count.

Wonder how many died because PR Mayor left over 100,000 cases of water on the dock?

People dying because of a collapsing infrastructure that totally failed after the storm is not the storm's fault either.

They want to make this sound like a catastrophe. it's not.

Even if 3000 did die, that is what happens in natural disasters. Did anyone get blamed after the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands?

Puerto Rico could have been a state. they could have had all the benefits of statehood...but, they chose not to be.

they didn't want to be paying those taxes. Yes, they businesses paid taxes, but the citizens did not pay income taxes so stfu before you even get started. I researched this last year when it happened. I am right and you are stupid.

A paradise island populated with low 90 iq's and no willingness to work only lasts for so long. When supplies landed on the island, instead of gathering together to disperse them, they stood around and bitched because the government wasn't doing it.

stupid is as stupid does

no sympathy
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President Trump’s Four-Pinocchio complaint about the Maria death toll figures

The more-complete Puerto Rican figures released in June showed an increase of 561 deaths in September over the same month in 2016, an increase of 683 deaths in October, an increase of 187 in November and a decline of 34 in December. That added up to a 1,397 increase in that four-month period.

The new Puerto Rican numbers were somewhat higher than those estimated in studies carried out by media organizations and academic institutes. The general focus was on studying whether there were excess deaths — more deaths than would be expected in the absence of the storm.


*The New York Times calculated 1,052 deaths through October.

*The Center for Investigative Reporting calculated 985 through October.

*University of Puerto Rico at Mayagüez professors calculated 822, with a 95 percent confidence range that the total was somewhere between 605 and 1,039.

*Alexis R. Santos-Lozada of Pennsylvania University and a colleague calculated excess deaths of about 500 in September, or a total of 1,085 if the same pattern held in October. In a research note published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, they reported that the inclusion of the December deaths indicated an excess death toll of 1,139.

*A Latino USA analysis, using updated data from Puerto Rico’s Department of Health, calculated 1,194 excess deaths in September and October.

Broadly, then, a range of expert analyses found that more than 1,000 people died in the aftermath of the hurricane and the relief effort.

Then, in August, GWU released its report, estimating excess deaths at between 2,658 and 3,290, with a midpoint of 2,975, in the six months after the storm made landfall. The investigation, based on actual death certificates, compared the number of deaths with typical death rates, adjusting for many variables, including the mass exodus from the island in the aftermath of the storm.

GWU said it counted deaths until February because people continued to die at anomalous rates long after the storm, as the island struggled with infrastructure failures and political infighting. GWU said that the poorer and older the resident, the higher the risk of death, especially among men older than 65. So the number might include an elderly person who died earlier than expected because there was a lack of electricity at home or health-care facilities.

The study, in other words, purposely tried to avoid simply counting elderly people who “died for any reason,” as Trump claimed. GWU researchers said otherwise the count would be 16,608.

Note that GWU’s September-February period of research was longer than the earlier studies. To provide an apples-to-apples comparison, GWU estimated 2,098 excess deaths through December (the period also covered by the Harvard study) and 1,271 for September and October (the period covered by most of the other studies). When adjusted for the time factors, all of the studies, except Harvard, are broadly consistent.

After the release of the report, the government of Puerto Rico embraced 2,975 as the official death toll. But it’s important to remember that this was the midpoint of an estimate.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, as of Sept. 5, has paid benefits to the families of 247 people whose deaths the agency confirmed were related to the storm, CNN reported Tuesday. FEMA said 3,005 people had applied for that assistance in relation to deaths that occurred after Maria or Hurricane Irma, which struck the island just before Maria, with more than 2,350 still being processed.


The Pinocchio Test
The official figure embraced by Puerto Rico is an estimate of “excess deaths,” based on a six-month period after the storm. One might quibble with extending the period under investigation for that long, but few areas of the United States have suffered so long without electricity or drinking water in the aftermath of a natural disaster.

Moreover, in any part of the United States, 3,000 excess deaths in six months would be considered a crisis, worthy of an intensive investigation to find out what went wrong — rather than a tweetstorm that minimizes the problem.

Even the most conservative estimate, looking just at the excess deaths through October, is above 1,000. Trump’s tweets are missing a few digits, and thus earn Four Pinocchios.

Four Pinocchios

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...76cef79168

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RE: Liar Trump Denies 3,000 People Died In Puerto Rico After Hurricane Maria
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:04 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 07:59 PM)
Trump was right:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government...ane-maria/

Official death count 64

People getting killed working on things after the storm do NOT count.

Wonder how many died because PR Mayor left over 100,000 cases of water on the dock?

People dying because of a collapsing infrastructure that totally failed after the storm is not the storm's fault either.

They want to make this sound like a catastrophe. it's not.

Even if 3000 did die, that is what happens in natural disasters. Did anyone get blamed after the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands?

Puerto Rico could have been a state. they could have had all the benefits of statehood...but, they chose not to be.

they didn't want to be paying those taxes. Yes, they businesses paid taxes, but the citizens did not pay income taxes so stfu before you even get started. I researched this last year when it happened. I am right and you are stupid.

A paradise island populated with low 90 iq's and no willingness to work only lasts for so long. When supplies landed on the island, instead of gathering together to disperse them, they stood around and bitched because the government wasn't doing it.

stupid is as stupid does

no sympathy

The hurricane was an "act of god." If insurance won't cover it, then the President can't be held responsible for it.

FFS, the puerto ricans had all the time in the world to be prepared, and they failed. Just natural selection working its magic.
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RE: Liar Trump Denies 3,000 People Died In Puerto Rico After Hurricane Maria
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:04 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 07:59 PM)
Trump was right:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government...ane-maria/

Official death count 64

People getting killed working on things after the storm do NOT count.

Wonder how many died because PR Mayor left over 100,000 cases of water on the dock?

People dying because of a collapsing infrastructure that totally failed after the storm is not the storm's fault either.

They want to make this sound like a catastrophe. it's not.

Even if 3000 did die, that is what happens in natural disasters. Did anyone get blamed after the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands?

Puerto Rico could have been a state. they could have had all the benefits of statehood...but, they chose not to be.

they didn't want to be paying those taxes. Yes, they businesses paid taxes, but the citizens did not pay income taxes so stfu before you even get started. I researched this last year when it happened. I am right and you are stupid.

A paradise island populated with low 90 iq's and no willingness to work only lasts for so long. When supplies landed on the island, instead of gathering together to disperse them, they stood around and bitched because the government wasn't doing it.

stupid is as stupid does

no sympathy

BS most of these deaths could have been avoided they happened long after the storm was over. If Trump's FEMA and the National Guard and military had been mobilized in better coordination most of these lives could have been saved.

Most of these people died from no water, bad water, no food, no electricity to power health and medical needs, and from heat exposure etc. etc.

A single good well run and staffed and funded military tent camp and two medial ships would have save two thousand or more of the people that died.

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He Man  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:03 PM)
pooky  Wrote: (09-13-2018 07:49 PM)
Damn, Trump, just because your a president and have access to all information, doesn't mean you can argue the facts, like household interviews conducted by a liberal university that hates your guts. It's not like your haters have lied before to make you look bad. Geeze, the gall of this guy.

Oh Pooky, why would you cling to Trump's lies?

Gov. Scott of FL is no liberal.

The weather Channel is not Liberal, and neither are these organizations that investigated the number of deaths:

It's Not a Conspiracy: Thousands Died in Hurricane Maria

"In December, a New York Times investigation found that over 1,100 people died in Hurricane Maria. The official death toll at that time grew slightly to 64. For its investigation, the Times studied mortality data from years past and compared it to records from the weeks following the storm.

Seven months after Hurricane Maria, the New England Journal of Medicine published a Harvard University study that estimated the storm’s death toll was 4,600 to 5,800. The study surveyed over 3,000 random households across Puerto Rico and compared its findings to mortality rates from the same period in 2016.

Last month, several reports found that the death toll was far greater than “6 to 18 deaths.” An analysis of death records published in the Journal of the American Medical Association estimated as many as 1,100 people died in Hurricane Maria.

A short while later, the Puerto Rican government claimed, in a report filed to Congress, that the death toll was at least 1,400 people.

At the end of August, the official death toll for Hurricane Maria increased from 64 to 2,975, likely the number President Trump refuted in his tweets. Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rossello raised the death toll after an independent study from the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University found that doctors on the island were not trained properly in how to classify deaths after a disaster.

The president disputed all of these independent studies, repeating an early death toll that only 6 to 18 people died from Hurricane Maria. He previously used the low death toll during a press conference on the island last year when he compared the storm to a “real catastrophe like Katrina.""

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-09-13...death-toll

Yeah, and right before mid terms, new numbers will come out to be 8,000 then before the 2020 election that number's gonna jump to 10,000, and then when they're burrying him, it will be 20,000, and they'll break it in the news in the middle of his funeral. And it will alllll be his fault.
He's disputing it, so maybe he might know some things that we don't, but will soon enough. I've seen how shady people have been concerning that Hurricane and used it for their political agenda, so I'm skeptical of such research.
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FurriesRock  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:11 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:04 PM)
People dying because of a collapsing infrastructure that totally failed after the storm is not the storm's fault either.

They want to make this sound like a catastrophe. it's not.

Even if 3000 did die, that is what happens in natural disasters. Did anyone get blamed after the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands?

Puerto Rico could have been a state. they could have had all the benefits of statehood...but, they chose not to be.

they didn't want to be paying those taxes. Yes, they businesses paid taxes, but the citizens did not pay income taxes so stfu before you even get started. I researched this last year when it happened. I am right and you are stupid.

A paradise island populated with low 90 iq's and no willingness to work only lasts for so long. When supplies landed on the island, instead of gathering together to disperse them, they stood around and bitched because the government wasn't doing it.

stupid is as stupid does

no sympathy

The hurricane was an "act of god." If insurance won't cover it, then the President can't be held responsible for it.

FFS, the puerto ricans had all the time in the world to be prepared, and they failed. Just natural selection working its magic.

Total ignorant BS, please read up, do a bit of study of the universal process of natural disaster assistance procedures and learn that lives can and are regularly saved after national disasters if the will and funding and a good bureaucracy is in place.

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He Man  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:13 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:04 PM)
People dying because of a collapsing infrastructure that totally failed after the storm is not the storm's fault either.

They want to make this sound like a catastrophe. it's not.

Even if 3000 did die, that is what happens in natural disasters. Did anyone get blamed after the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands?

Puerto Rico could have been a state. they could have had all the benefits of statehood...but, they chose not to be.

they didn't want to be paying those taxes. Yes, they businesses paid taxes, but the citizens did not pay income taxes so stfu before you even get started. I researched this last year when it happened. I am right and you are stupid.

A paradise island populated with low 90 iq's and no willingness to work only lasts for so long. When supplies landed on the island, instead of gathering together to disperse them, they stood around and bitched because the government wasn't doing it.

stupid is as stupid does

no sympathy

BS most of these deaths could have been avoided they happened long after the storm was over. If Trump's FEMA and the National Guard and military had been mobilized in better coordination most of these lives could have been saved.

Most of these people died from no water, bad water, no food, no electricity to power health and medical needs, and from heat exposure etc. etc.

A single good well run and staffed and funded military tent camp and two medial ships would have save two thousand or more of the people that died.

You are literally saying that the Puerto Ricans are too dumb to fend for themselves.

They have to have big ole Merica come to rescue them like kittens stuck up in a tree.

You are the worst racist I have ever seen.
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He Man  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:16 PM)
FurriesRock  Wrote: (09-13-2018 08:11 PM)
The hurricane was an "act of god." If insurance won't cover it, then the President can't be held responsible for it.

FFS, the puerto ricans had all the time in the world to be prepared, and they failed. Just natural selection working its magic.

Total ignorant BS, please read up, do a bit of study of the universal process of natural disaster assistance procedures and learn that lives can and are regularly saved after national disasters if the will and funding and a good bureaucracy is in place.

No Such Thing -

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