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Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
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RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
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Post: #17
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
Basically mostly the yellow light gets through in a linear sphere line from the sun.. through the clouds etc..


That's why the sky is blue.. blue light stays in the sky.. but we also have a sky blue sky..


Black with a little colour.. sometimes it's purple with the infrared..


Basically Infrared doesn't particle curl.. and the Ions in the Ionsphere interact with ultraviolet light..
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Post: #18
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
But light is white bright..
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RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
Black is Blue.. but with blue light it's sky blue.. a light blue..
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Post: #21
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Why do these flat earth tards even keep it up?

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S stands for Scarlet Red in S-ROY-G-BIV..
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Post: #23
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 03:05 AM)
[Image: sun_and_moon.jpg]
Have you ever looked at the moon when the sun was above the horizon? Sometimes the wrong side of the moon is lit up.

A selenelion is an eclipse that happens when both sun and moon are up. That should be impossible.

First problem. Believing in and making your judgments on things you don't understand from easily-fabricated or just plain cheap optics-riddled videos. There are never clouds behind the sun. Just isn't happening. Never trust videos. Ever.

Second problem. Believing every image on the internet is an accurate representation of the truth. That photo is bogus. If you knew that, shame on you. After hundreds of photos and a lifetime moon watching, I can say, without a doubt, I've never seen the moon lit up on the wrong side. Day and night, month, year and decade...that moon always performs its rational behavior.

And, of course the moon and sun have to be in the sky at the same time to create an eclipse. That is what an eclipse is. Either the earth blocks the light (lunar eclipse) or the moon blocks the light (solar eclipse). It always happens during a full moon and it always happens when the dark (new) moon passes in front. The moon, always, is close to the sun every new moon period.

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Post: #24
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?




Some of you caught on. The titles of the thread and video were different. But why would you click onto the thread title?
My OP asked if the effect is an optical illusion or atmospheric refraction. There are many videos showing cloud formations with individual sections in front of and behind the sun.

The effects are a result of solar brightness and cloud density.
But no one mentioned the altitude of clouds. Why not?




High-altitude balloons show clouds generally below 5 miles, up to 10 miles, possibly a little higher. Water vapor and gases are pretty skimpy up there. FE theory guesstimates the sun's height at 3000 miles, rising and descending in a helix as it circles between Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn. So, no, clouds can never hide behind the sun, whether the world is a sphere or a vast irregular plane.

If you are open minded enough to watch the dogcam video, you will see a flat horizon at all altitudes, once the camera becomes steady. You will also see a close sun.

So the special effects (clouds in front of and behind) is an optical illusion, or all of the above reasons. This effect is easily understood if the light source is a few thousand miles away. But 93 million miles, as the Body Scientific claims? No way. Any more than seasons can be explained when the earth supposedly revolves between aphelion and perihelion distances. Please do not respond unless you show us evidence/logic/ provable facts -- instead of regurgitated scientology.

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Post: #25
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
czygyny  Wrote: (11-20-2016 05:24 AM)
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 03:05 AM)
[Image: sun_and_moon.jpg]
Have you ever looked at the moon when the sun was above the horizon? Sometimes the wrong side of the moon is lit up.

A selenelion is an eclipse that happens when both sun and moon are up. That should be impossible.

First problem. Believing in and making your judgments on things you don't understand from easily-fabricated or just plain cheap optics-riddled videos. There are never clouds behind the sun. Just isn't happening. Never trust videos. Ever.

Second problem. Believing every image on the internet is an accurate representation of the truth. That photo is bogus. If you knew that, shame on you. After hundreds of photos and a lifetime moon watching, I can say, without a doubt, I've never seen the moon lit up on the wrong side. Day and night, month, year and decade...that moon always performs its rational behavior.

And, of course the moon and sun have to be in the sky at the same time to create an eclipse. That is what an eclipse is. Either the earth blocks the light (lunar eclipse) or the moon blocks the light (solar eclipse). It always happens during a full moon and it always happens when the dark (new) moon passes in front. The moon, always, is close to the sun every new moon period.

Problems 1 and 2 tell us to discount all images. OK, here is a biggie.





It is an official product of Nasa, the far side moon transit from last year. It looks as real as a 3$ bill. But Nasa is a high authority, that which must be obeyed. Look at the size of the US, about 3000 miles wide. The earth is 8000 wide, officially. So the US should be 3/8 the size of the ball. Is it? Do you see any cloud movement during the animation? In some Nasa videos and still photos, the word "s e x" is written in the clouds. Prove me wrong.

In sum, you say that the videos I posted are fabricated. Why do you trust the government instead of civilians?

FE, fyi, is a zetetic analysis, proceeding from inquiry. All facts and evidence must be repeatable and verifiable. Trusting an agency begun by Nazi scientists in 1958 is not logical.

Problem 3: What? Please think about what you wrote.
How can the sun and moon both be in the sky if one is eclipsed by a third object that the observer is standing on? Makes no sense.

I have studied modern cosmology for a year and a half. I'm still learning, putting ducks in a row, refining my comprehension of the hows and whys.

At least I'm questioning. I hope you join the quest. First, you must discard your indoctrination and learn to think on your own. Like eclipses and selenelions. Google is your friend. Go there. Research. Don't trust me. Don't trust Nasa either. I call it scientology, a degradation of pure studies of the physical world. As Tesla said, scientists have substituted mathematics for observation and experimentation. Math can prove anything you want it to. The tv show Big Bang Theory is an apt representation of the fools who arrogantly decide what we should "believe." Belief is faith, and I'm a thinker, not a believer.

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman
Learn to love your servitude...Aldous Huxley
"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782
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Post: #26
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
DanG  Wrote: (11-20-2016 03:39 AM)
Dumbass

THIS.
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Post: #27
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
awareness hijacked

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

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Post: #28
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 01:43 AM)
Optical illusion? Atmospheric refraction? Or a deceptive cosmology?





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Published on Nov 18, 2016 -- second part, more footage, showing clearly without a doubt that we have a very close sun, also in second clip you see clouds behind the sun. This would ofc. mean and prove that we all have our own sun.
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Only nebulae can go "behind" the sun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula

Quote:A nebula (Latin for "cloud";[2] pl. nebulae, nebulæ, or nebulas) is an interstellar cloud of dust, hydrogen, helium and other ionized gases. Originally, nebula was a name for any diffuse astronomical object, including galaxies beyond the Milky Way. The Andromeda Galaxy, for instance, was once referred to as the Andromeda Nebula (and spiral galaxies in general as "spiral nebulae") before the true nature of galaxies was confirmed in the early 20th century by Vesto Slipher, Edwin Hubble and others.

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Post: #29
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 07:52 PM)
Problems 1 and 2 tell us to discount all images. OK, here is a biggie.





It is an official product of Nasa, the far side moon transit from last year. It looks as real as a 3$ bill. But Nasa is a high authority, that which must be obeyed. Look at the size of the US, about 3000 miles wide. The earth is 8000 wide, officially. So the US should be 3/8 the size of the ball. Is it? Do you see any cloud movement during the animation? In some Nasa videos and still photos, the word "s e x" is written in the clouds. Prove me wrong.

In sum, you say that the videos I posted are fabricated. Why do you trust the government instead of civilians?

FE, fyi, is a zetetic analysis, proceeding from inquiry. All facts and evidence must be repeatable and verifiable. Trusting an agency begun by Nazi scientists in 1958 is not logical.

Problem 3: What? Please think about what you wrote.
How can the sun and moon both be in the sky if one is eclipsed by a third object that the observer is standing on? Makes no sense.

I have studied modern cosmology for a year and a half. I'm still learning, putting ducks in a row, refining my comprehension of the hows and whys.

At least I'm questioning. I hope you join the quest. First, you must discard your indoctrination and learn to think on your own. Like eclipses and selenelions. Google is your friend. Go there. Research. Don't trust me. Don't trust Nasa either. I call it scientology, a degradation of pure studies of the physical world. As Tesla said, scientists have substituted mathematics for observation and experimentation. Math can prove anything you want it to. The tv show Big Bang Theory is an apt representation of the fools who arrogantly decide what we should "believe." Belief is faith, and I'm a thinker, not a believer.

I have already dismantled and reconstructed my beliefs, thanks. Be careful judging someone else who disagrees with you. It is the ultimate ego trap. I, too, question mainstream 'knowledge', every day. NASA? I like their pretty pictures. That is about all. Oh, they offer up tidbits here and there that are interesting. But they keep all the good stuff to themselves.

Questioning everything is good. 'Throwing out the baby with the bathwater' is not. Not everything is a conspiracy.

There is no third object in an eclipse other than the one you're standing on. Either the moon is passing in front of the sun's light (solar eclipse) or the earth is between the sun and moon, causing the lunar eclipse. They all need to be lined up for it to work and that is easily calculated. It is a simple system that works. Your selenelion is a trick of atmospheric optics. It is a believable phenomenon. I call it the 'periscope' phenomenon.

For me, the round earth, heliocentric, expansive universe theory works for me. It is a simple system, it is easily seen in the phases of the moon (and the planets) and the seasons of the year. It works for me.

Sometimes we just want to be and think we are the only one to grasp the truth. I see it in the religious arena. It is a dangerous snare. You trap yourself in the very thing you are trying to avoid: falsehood.

I applaud your endeavor to find truth in the Disneyesque façade we call modern society. It's a rough and uneven path to traverse. A hall of mirrors that distorts what you perceive. Good luck.

P.S. I did not say that YOU fabricated the video or the photo, I said that neither one can be trusted 100% because it is too easy to manipulate the media and that the unlearned and trusting swallow it's 'accuracy' without discernment.

Look at the 'fake news' debacle. Hook, line and sinker without a thought that it is baited trap, and look at the results. Sheer lunacy. (Pun intended)

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Post: #30
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
czygyny  Wrote: (11-20-2016 08:34 PM)
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 07:52 PM)
Problems 1 and 2 tell us to discount all images. OK, here is a biggie.





It is an official product of Nasa, the far side moon transit from last year. It looks as real as a 3$ bill. But Nasa is a high authority, that which must be obeyed. Look at the size of the US, about 3000 miles wide. The earth is 8000 wide, officially. So the US should be 3/8 the size of the ball. Is it? Do you see any cloud movement during the animation? In some Nasa videos and still photos, the word "s e x" is written in the clouds. Prove me wrong.

In sum, you say that the videos I posted are fabricated. Why do you trust the government instead of civilians?

FE, fyi, is a zetetic analysis, proceeding from inquiry. All facts and evidence must be repeatable and verifiable. Trusting an agency begun by Nazi scientists in 1958 is not logical.

Problem 3: What? Please think about what you wrote.
How can the sun and moon both be in the sky if one is eclipsed by a third object that the observer is standing on? Makes no sense.

I have studied modern cosmology for a year and a half. I'm still learning, putting ducks in a row, refining my comprehension of the hows and whys.

At least I'm questioning. I hope you join the quest. First, you must discard your indoctrination and learn to think on your own. Like eclipses and selenelions. Google is your friend. Go there. Research. Don't trust me. Don't trust Nasa either. I call it scientology, a degradation of pure studies of the physical world. As Tesla said, scientists have substituted mathematics for observation and experimentation. Math can prove anything you want it to. The tv show Big Bang Theory is an apt representation of the fools who arrogantly decide what we should "believe." Belief is faith, and I'm a thinker, not a believer.

I have already dismantled and reconstructed my beliefs, thanks. Be careful judging someone else who disagrees with you. It is the ultimate ego trap. I, too, question mainstream 'knowledge', every day. NASA? I like their pretty pictures. That is about all. Oh, they offer up tidbits here and there that are interesting. But they keep all the good stuff to themselves.

Questioning everything is good. 'Throwing out the baby with the bathwater' is not. Not everything is a conspiracy.

There is no third object in an eclipse other than the one you're standing on. Either the moon is passing in front of the sun's light (solar eclipse) or the earth is between the sun and moon, causing the lunar eclipse. They all need to be lined up for it to work and that is easily calculated. It is a simple system that works. Your selenelion is a trick of atmospheric optics. It is a believable phenomenon. I call it the 'periscope' phenomenon.

For me, the round earth, heliocentric, expansive universe theory works for me. It is a simple system, it is easily seen in the phases of the moon (and the planets) and the seasons of the year. It works for me.

Sometimes we just want to be and think we are the only one to grasp the truth. I see it in the religious arena. It is a dangerous snare. You trap yourself in the very thing you are trying to avoid: falsehood.

I applaud your endeavor to find truth in the Disneyesque façade we call modern society. It's a rough and uneven path to traverse. A hall of mirrors that distorts what you perceive. Good luck.

P.S. I did not say that YOU fabricated the video or the photo, I said that neither one can be trusted 100% because it is too easy to manipulate the media and that the unlearned and trusting swallow it's 'accuracy' without discernment.

Look at the 'fake news' debacle. Hook, line and sinker without a thought that it is baited trap, and look at the results. Sheer lunacy. (Pun intended)

With a name so close to 'syzygy,' I would think you would have a better appreciation for the "impossible" eclipse of selenelion. To discuss it as a trick of atmospheric optics is the same as saying it's magic. I have been down this road a few times with professional shills. Not so much here as g-l****p. They are smart cookies who throw around jargon and specious arguments that distract from the main point. None on this thread, for sure. You say there is no third object in an eclipse, then say they all need to be lined up for an eclipse. So which is it?

The correct term, by the way, is atmospheric refraction, bending of light due to water vapor in the air between the observer and the target, especially at sunrise and sunset. This is not the case, though, as both the sun and moon are too advanced in the sky to produce a shadow.

You spend an inordinate amount of time correcting my logic while presenting no (0) case for your heliocentric model.
Which says --
- earth spins 1000 mph, revolves around the sun at 66,600 mph, around a star moving half a million mph
- in a vacuum
- with an atmosphere that perfectly syncs speed with all the above motions
- so that we notice no movements; neither do clouds and smoke show any movement
- because a theory called gravity keeps the gaseous atmosphere from dispersing away into the vacuum of space
- and the aforementioned theoretical gravity keeps oceans in their banks on a spinning ball
- and this us accomplished because water seeks its own level if we redefine level as an equidistance from the center of earth, instead of sea level meaning flat along a horizontal line
- though we really don't know much about geology since the deepest hole ever drilled went down to only 7.5 miles
- and gyroscopes can't work on a constantly moving spinning ball
- and Chicago can be seen from 50 miles away across Lake Michigan, despite spherical trigonometry dictating a obscuring curve of 8 inches times miles squared -- 8 x (50 x 50) = 8 x 2500 = 1667 feet.

[Image: earth-curve-calcuation.jpg]

Enough for now. Flatearthers know more about the heliocentric model than globers.

Find any evidence to support current cosmology and I will debate it. Me go cook dinner now.

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman
Learn to love your servitude...Aldous Huxley
"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782
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