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Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
grav
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Post: #31
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
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czygyny  Wrote: (11-20-2016 08:34 PM)
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 07:52 PM)
Problems 1 and 2 tell us to discount all images. OK, here is a biggie.





It is an official product of Nasa, the far side moon transit from last year. It looks as real as a 3$ bill. But Nasa is a high authority, that which must be obeyed. Look at the size of the US, about 3000 miles wide. The earth is 8000 wide, officially. So the US should be 3/8 the size of the ball. Is it? Do you see any cloud movement during the animation? In some Nasa videos and still photos, the word "s e x" is written in the clouds. Prove me wrong.

In sum, you say that the videos I posted are fabricated. Why do you trust the government instead of civilians?

FE, fyi, is a zetetic analysis, proceeding from inquiry. All facts and evidence must be repeatable and verifiable. Trusting an agency begun by Nazi scientists in 1958 is not logical.

Problem 3: What? Please think about what you wrote.
How can the sun and moon both be in the sky if one is eclipsed by a third object that the observer is standing on? Makes no sense.

I have studied modern cosmology for a year and a half. I'm still learning, putting ducks in a row, refining my comprehension of the hows and whys.

At least I'm questioning. I hope you join the quest. First, you must discard your indoctrination and learn to think on your own. Like eclipses and selenelions. Google is your friend. Go there. Research. Don't trust me. Don't trust Nasa either. I call it scientology, a degradation of pure studies of the physical world. As Tesla said, scientists have substituted mathematics for observation and experimentation. Math can prove anything you want it to. The tv show Big Bang Theory is an apt representation of the fools who arrogantly decide what we should "believe." Belief is faith, and I'm a thinker, not a believer.

I have already dismantled and reconstructed my beliefs, thanks. Be careful judging someone else who disagrees with you. It is the ultimate ego trap. I, too, question mainstream 'knowledge', every day. NASA? I like their pretty pictures. That is about all. Oh, they offer up tidbits here and there that are interesting. But they keep all the good stuff to themselves.

Questioning everything is good. 'Throwing out the baby with the bathwater' is not. Not everything is a conspiracy.

There is no third object in an eclipse other than the one you're standing on. Either the moon is passing in front of the sun's light (solar eclipse) or the earth is between the sun and moon, causing the lunar eclipse. They all need to be lined up for it to work and that is easily calculated. It is a simple system that works. Your selenelion is a trick of atmospheric optics. It is a believable phenomenon. I call it the 'periscope' phenomenon.

For me, the round earth, heliocentric, expansive universe theory works for me. It is a simple system, it is easily seen in the phases of the moon (and the planets) and the seasons of the year. It works for me.

Sometimes we just want to be and think we are the only one to grasp the truth. I see it in the religious arena. It is a dangerous snare. You trap yourself in the very thing you are trying to avoid: falsehood.

I applaud your endeavor to find truth in the Disneyesque façade we call modern society. It's a rough and uneven path to traverse. A hall of mirrors that distorts what you perceive. Good luck.

P.S. I did not say that YOU fabricated the video or the photo, I said that neither one can be trusted 100% because it is too easy to manipulate the media and that the unlearned and trusting swallow it's 'accuracy' without discernment.

Look at the 'fake news' debacle. Hook, line and sinker without a thought that it is baited trap, and look at the results. Sheer lunacy. (Pun intended)

With a name so close to 'syzygy,' I would think you would have a better appreciation for the "impossible" eclipse of selenelion. To discuss it as a trick of atmospheric optics is the same as saying it's magic. I have been down this road a few times with professional shills. Not so much here as g-l****p. They are smart cookies who throw around jargon and specious arguments that distract from the main point. None on this thread, for sure. You say there is no third object in an eclipse, then say they all need to be lined up for an eclipse. So which is it?

The correct term, by the way, is atmospheric refraction, bending of light due to water vapor in the air between the observer and the target, especially at sunrise and sunset. This is not the case, though, as both the sun and moon are too advanced in the sky to produce a shadow.

You spend an inordinate amount of time correcting my logic while presenting no (0) case for your heliocentric model.
Which says --
- earth spins 1000 mph, revolves around the sun at 66,600 mph, around a star moving half a million mph
- in a vacuum
- with an atmosphere that perfectly syncs speed with all the above motions
- so that we notice no movements; neither do clouds and smoke show any movement
- because a theory called gravity keeps the gaseous atmosphere from dispersing away into the vacuum of space
- and the aforementioned theoretical gravity keeps oceans in their banks on a spinning ball
- and this us accomplished because water seeks its own level if we redefine level as an equidistance from the center of earth, instead of sea level meaning flat along a horizontal line
- though we really don't know much about geology since the deepest hole ever drilled went down to only 7.5 miles
- and gyroscopes can't work on a constantly moving spinning ball
- and Chicago can be seen from 50 miles away across Lake Michigan, despite spherical trigonometry dictating a obscuring curve of 8 inches times miles squared -- 8 x (50 x 50) = 8 x 2500 = 1667 feet.

[Image: earth-curve-calcuation.jpg]

Enough for now. Flatearthers know more about the heliocentric model than globers.

Find any evidence to support current cosmology and I will debate it. Me go cook dinner now.

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman
Learn to love your servitude...Aldous Huxley
"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782

czygyny
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Post: #32
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 10:21 PM)
With a name so close to 'syzygy,' I would think you would have a better appreciation for the "impossible" eclipse of selenelion. To discuss it as a trick of atmospheric optics is the same as saying it's magic. I have been down this road a few times with professional shills. Not so much here as g-l****p. They are smart cookies who throw around jargon and specious arguments that distract from the main point. None on this thread, for sure. You say there is no third object in an eclipse, then say they all need to be lined up for an eclipse. So which is it?

The correct term, by the way, is atmospheric refraction, bending of light due to water vapor in the air between the observer and the target, especially at sunrise and sunset. This is not the case, though, as both the sun and moon are too advanced in the sky to produce a shadow.

You spend an inordinate amount of time correcting my logic while presenting no (0) case for your heliocentric model.
Which says --
- earth spins 1000 mph, revolves around the sun at 66,600 mph, around a star moving half a million mph
- in a vacuum
- with an atmosphere that perfectly syncs speed with all the above motions
- so that we notice no movements; neither do clouds and smoke show any movement
- because a theory called gravity keeps the gaseous atmosphere from dispersing away into the vacuum of space
- and the aforementioned theoretical gravity keeps oceans in their banks on a spinning ball
- and this us accomplished because water seeks its own level if we redefine level as an equidistance from the center of earth, instead of sea level meaning flat along a horizontal line
- though we really don't know much about geology since the deepest hole ever drilled went down to only 7.5 miles
- and gyroscopes can't work on a constantly moving spinning ball
- and Chicago can be seen from 50 miles away across Lake Michigan, despite spherical trigonometry dictating a obscuring curve of 8 inches times miles squared -- 8 x (50 x 50) = 8 x 2500 = 1667 feet.

[Image: earth-curve-calcuation.jpg]

Enough for now. Flatearthers know more about the heliocentric model than globers.

Find any evidence to support current cosmology and I will debate it. Me go cook dinner now.

Actually I didn't start nor do I intend to argue current cosmology. The original statement about the moon being lit from the wrong side, and the idea that clouds can be behind the sun and the patently false photo image you posted are what caused me to reply.

I have no burning desire to prove nor disprove round vs flat. I doubt you've ever seen me reply in any other thread of the subject. To me, it's like the biblical 6K vs extreme age of the Earth. Fun to discuss..but it is not a burning subject that demands my immediate attention. It is not unheard of, perhaps, but how could such a conspiracy be kept under wraps for so long? Actually, never mind...I am not going to discuss the subject anymore.

Maybe someday I will find it a more important subject to delve. Heaven knows there are enough smokescreens out there to navigate.

It would seem that until the both of us can fly up in the sky to witness, firsthand, neither one will prove beyond a doubt to the other.

Can we call it a draw and call it a day? Heartflowers Hope dinner went well.

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Post: #33
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
i've had clouds appear in my coffee

i'm so vain

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Post: #34
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
grav  Wrote: (11-20-2016 01:43 AM)
Optical illusion? Atmospheric refraction? Or a deceptive cosmology?





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Published on Nov 18, 2016 -- second part, more footage, showing clearly without a doubt that we have a very close sun, also in second clip you see clouds behind the sun. This would ofc. mean and prove that we all have our own sun.
Share with sheeple, to wake the people. I am sick of deception, look at the sky, the truth is there :)
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czygyny
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Post: #35
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
Radar OReally  Wrote: (11-21-2016 12:19 AM)
i've had clouds appear in my coffee

i'm so vain

HAARP has been zapping my tea. chuckle

[Image: cs7bjho.jpg]

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Post: #36
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
czygyny  Wrote: (11-21-2016 01:04 AM)
Radar OReally  Wrote: (11-21-2016 12:19 AM)
i've had clouds appear in my coffee

i'm so vain

HAARP has been zapping my tea. chuckle

[Image: cs7bjho.jpg]

Scream1

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Post: #37
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
No one has challenged my list of spinning ball failures?

Plus ça change.
Deja vu all over again.

I though I would snare a debater or two, but nope.

Not much depth here, reminds me of a Biloxi beach. I walked out for what seemed like miles and never got my knees wet.
Let's see. Would that be high tide? Right?
What causes tides? A moon 235,000 miles away which only shows us one face. Because it's tidally locked, right? And though it is extremely large, it does not crash down on us. And it is possible for an ordinary camers to zoom in on a crater 50 miles wide.
Right? Cameras can focus at 235,00 miles? Right? Isn't 235,000 miles like a quarter million miles? What amazing optical instruments Nikon has!

I posted this before. Oldwhatshisname was the only poster who took the time to consider it.





By the way, Czygyny, I said exactly what you did right before I blundered into FE theory. Sorry to see you don't want to continue to seek the whole truth of our existence.

"I have no burning desire to prove nor disprove round vs flat. I doubt you've ever seen me reply in any other thread of the subject. To me, it's like the biblical 6K vs extreme age of the Earth. Fun to discuss..but it is not a burning subject that demands my immediate attention. It is not unheard of, perhaps, but how could such a conspiracy be kept under wraps for so long? Actually, never mind...I am not going to discuss the subject anymore."

No curiosity on LOP. A shame. Happy hamsters gonna defend their hamster cage. Some lunatics, ha!
Sheeple Outpost is a better name.

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman
Learn to love your servitude...Aldous Huxley
"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782
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Post: #38
RE: Can clouds appear in front of the sun?
Why do people get so bent out of shape because I like my earth flat?









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