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This is how long we got
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Post: #16
RE: This is how long we got
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Eagle  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:38 PM)
AND... The conclusion IS ,.... ?????

Tippng point IS ..... ???

CAUSE of collapse IS .... ???

Eagle

Just a mental exercise.

By the way, the price of gold should be:

$35(1+0.085)^84

$33,000 per ounce, today. That's not even a gold standard, that's based on inflation from increasing the monetary base.

Obviously gold is not that price at all, the difference lies in the amount of naked short future's contracts the bullion banks roll in the future's markets.
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Eagle  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:38 PM)
AND... The conclusion IS ,.... ?????

Tippng point IS ..... ???

CAUSE of collapse IS .... ???

Eagle

The usual culprits of control, greed, power and stupidity is the cause, remember none of them are capable to be altruistic in anyway. Most would knife their own grandmother to make a buck, which they do daily.

The tipping point is every time they print money it hastens the point of failure, like being killed with a million paper cuts.

The conclusion is inflation turns what you've got into nothing but paper.

If they are all die for a lack of payment with the highlighted method of funding their future. Nothing of value is lost. It always starts from scratch anyways and I doubt any of them will be that useful short, medium or long term. They are called a write off, just burn it down.

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Post: #18
RE: This is how long we got
Eagle  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:38 PM)
AND... The conclusion IS ,.... ?????
Tippng point IS ..... ???
CAUSE of collapse IS .... ???
Edge
But once we reach the EDGE, Will we BURN the Planet with a GLOBAL war as we have done in the past! Or will we just do a reset?


As we stare into the abyss, will we be consumed by blame and darkness and let the blame BEAST come out!

Or will we use our evolved mind to fix it!

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Post: #19
RE: This is how long we got
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:42 PM)
Eagle  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:38 PM)
AND... The conclusion IS ,.... ?????

Tippng point IS ..... ???

CAUSE of collapse IS .... ???

Eagle

Just a mental exercise.

By the way, the price of gold should be:

$35(1+0.085)^84

$33,000 per ounce, today. That's not even a gold standard, that's based on inflation from increasing the monetary base.

Obviously gold is not that price at all, the difference lies in the amount of naked short future's contracts the bullion banks roll in the future's markets.

The gold is valued based on total MONETARY SUPPLY since it's supposed to back the currency. An ounce of gold would be worth around 45 million dollars in properly adjusted terms against ALL the currency that country has printed foolishly.

Stop assuming that the commodity brokers are working for you. They aren't.

On the silver side an Ounce of silver would be worth around it's historical 'exchange' rate of 1 ounce to 15 ounces of silver. One ounce would be around 2-3 million dollars if basing it all on the debt and currency it is supposed to be backing.

Now...how do you make change? Any one here brave enough to walk around with a couple million dollars in their pocket and expect a coffee shop to make change? Doubtful.

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Post: #20
RE: This is how long we got
Rudis  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:47 PM)
Eagle  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:38 PM)
AND... The conclusion IS ,.... ?????
Tippng point IS ..... ???
CAUSE of collapse IS .... ???
Edge
But once we reach the EDGE, Will we BURN the Planet with a GLOBAL war as we have done in the past! Or will we just do a reset?


As we stare into the abyss, will we be consumed by blame and darkness and let the blame BEAST come out!

Or will we use our evolved mind to fix it!

It sounds like you are all going to die with the people managing things, the optics and logistics given.

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Post: #21
RE: This is how long we got
Rudis  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:47 PM)
Eagle  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:38 PM)
AND... The conclusion IS ,.... ?????
Tippng point IS ..... ???
CAUSE of collapse IS .... ???
Edge
But once we reach the EDGE, Will we BURN the Planet with a GLOBAL war as we have done in the past! Or will we just do a reset?


As we stare into the abyss, will we be consumed by blame and darkness and let the blame BEAST come out!

Or will we use our evolved mind to fix it!

We quarantine the government economy, spending, from the producing economy and let it recover, heal. We do that by:

4 pronged solution.

1) Congress passes monetary reform act, declares 1 Treasury Note = 1 Federal Reserve Note. Within the reform act TRNs are declared "lawful money" along with the FRN, and gold or silver or whatever people want to use as money.

2) Establish the TRN onto the currency markets and let it float in relation to all other currencies and gold or silver. Then, the markets decide what state currency is worth, not the central banks and their established crony network.

3) Treasury prints greenbacks, non-interest bearing currency to pay all social security, welfare, federal worker pensions, and the rest of government. They also begin to liquidate the national debt denominated in FRNs at some established rate of liquidation, say 2% a year. They can print whatever TRNs are necessary to liquidate the entire debt and then nationalize the paper banking industry.

4) Government legalizes thorium nuclear reactors, produces energy and sells into the market priced in treasury notes. So, the power won't be a free market, but it will "back" the printing.

But by legalizing all currencies, the government doesn't have to tax any more, they support themselves by printing TRNs and the market prices the value of their currency accordingly.

People could use bitcoins, gold, silver, tobacco leaves it wouldn't matter what people trade between themselves because the government doesn't collect taxes to pay for operations and debt.

The producing economy can heal that way.
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Post: #22
RE: This is how long we got
Eagle  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:38 PM)
AND... The conclusion IS ,.... ?????

Tippng point IS ..... ???

CAUSE of collapse IS .... ???

Eagle

It's in the calcs. The tipping point is when about 25-33% of all taxes are used to pay the interest on the debt.

I know it's arbitrary, not exact at all, but it's a rough estimate.
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Another assumption I made is that the federal government can only effectively tax the economy at around 17% of GDP, more than that and GDP drops so your collected taxes drop.
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CPL  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:23 PM)
Debt to GDP ratio is at 104.17%. Once it's over 100 the turkey is done. Right now it's turning into charcoal and the only option left at the casino is to double down...for the 18th time. Means everything at the super market in terms of price is going to double again. Your salaries and incomes won't though.

Yah I've seen those calcs as well, the problem with that is Japan has been running over 300% total debt to GDP for quite a while.

They're throwing all common sense out the window, and it affects the lunatic neo-Keynesians in charge at the central banks.

I just ran some hard numbers, the debt has increased at around 8.5% since 1933, I think it's safe to say that will continue. Then compared the increase in debt to projected increase in GDP, then figured out how much the government could effectively tax the economy.

Once interest rate payments exceed 1/3 the total taxable amount, the system will crash.

Think we can hit 100% of taxable income servicing debt? How will government operate with no cash?

Lmao
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-02-2017 09:41 PM)
CPL  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:23 PM)
Debt to GDP ratio is at 104.17%. Once it's over 100 the turkey is done. Right now it's turning into charcoal and the only option left at the casino is to double down...for the 18th time. Means everything at the super market in terms of price is going to double again. Your salaries and incomes won't though.

Yah I've seen those calcs as well, the problem with that is Japan has been running over 300% total debt to GDP for quite a while.

They're throwing all common sense out the window, and it affects the lunatic neo-Keynesians in charge at the central banks.

I just ran some hard numbers, the debt has increased at around 8.5% since 1933, I think it's safe to say that will continue. Then compared the increase in debt to projected increase in GDP, then figured out how much the government could effectively tax the economy.

Once interest rate payments exceed 1/3 the total taxable amount, the system will crash.

Think we can hit 100% of taxable income servicing debt? How will government operate with no cash?

Lmao

Tokyo is the only place I know of where you can spend $50 to sleep in a coffin hotel and spend $80 on a slice of water melon. The situation is practically in line with the returns of running at 300% of GDP.

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Post: #26
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-02-2017 09:41 PM)
CPL  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:23 PM)
Debt to GDP ratio is at 104.17%. Once it's over 100 the turkey is done. Right now it's turning into charcoal and the only option left at the casino is to double down...for the 18th time. Means everything at the super market in terms of price is going to double again. Your salaries and incomes won't though.

Yah I've seen those calcs as well, the problem with that is Japan has been running over 300% total debt to GDP for quite a while.

They're throwing all common sense out the window, and it affects the lunatic neo-Keynesians in charge at the central banks.

I just ran some hard numbers, the debt has increased at around 8.5% since 1933, I think it's safe to say that will continue. Then compared the increase in debt to projected increase in GDP, then figured out how much the government could effectively tax the economy.

Once interest rate payments exceed 1/3 the total taxable amount, the system will crash.

Think we can hit 100% of taxable income servicing debt? How will government operate with no cash?

Lmao

Debt to GDP is an often cited metric. It is catchy, simple to use and calculate, and sounds ominous. (A 100 percent debt-to-GDP really means that if all of GDP were used to repay debt, it would take one year to do it.) But it is a deficient measure. GDP itself cannot be used to repay the national debt, and then there is the question of real or nominal GDP use. GDP is a measure of consumption, but also contains government spending, inventories, and transfer payments—none of which should be counted in a metric that is attempting to convey information about a country’s indebtedness or ability to repay.

A far more relevant figure would be the amount of revenue the government is receiving—its tax receipts. GDP does not provide an indication of future government revenues, or even potential government revenues. Stepping back for a minute, we should remember that other countries have spent decades far above the 100 percent debt/GDP ratio (Japan) with little consequence.

Much the same criticism could be levied against the overuse of the “debt” number. The amount of debt is (to an extent) irrelevant—so long as the interest payments are manageable.

A more relevant and straightforward way to evaluate the seriousness of a country’s debt addiction is comparing a government’s revenues to the interest expense of its debt—“payment to revenue.” Simply, how much does the government collect during a fiscal year, how much does the government spend on interest in a fiscal year, and how does this compare to history.


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All this debt is a scam & Trump is not going to end it, since he is a banker´s boy.

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-729136-...id13712003

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-729136-...id13759095

The Octogon Templars run the world and control the central banks - Goldman Sachs, etc.

Trump can drain the swamp in DC, but he cannot touch the swamp around the private central banks.

The Swiss Octogon Templars

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-729460.html
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Post: #29
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CPL  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:23 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:15 PM)
We can squeeze out 10 years if we assume we can divert 33% of all taxation to servicing the debt.

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Debt to GDP ratio is at 104.17%. Once it's over 100 the turkey is done. Right now it's turning into charcoal and the only option left at the casino is to double down...for the 18th time. Means everything at the super market in terms of price is going to double again. Your salaries and incomes won't though.

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What difference do increased prices make? Decent size business avoid taxes, prices might double but it will only service CEO's, directors and all others with a high investment in the said business. Capitalism is for people to capitalize, and you can be sure they will will capitalize on raised prices all the while avoiding taxes.

The only thing that can save America now is stripping the filthy rich right down to their underwear, but I think we all know that will never happen.

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Oh Bother :P  Wrote: (02-04-2017 02:27 AM)
CPL  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:23 PM)
Debt to GDP ratio is at 104.17%. Once it's over 100 the turkey is done. Right now it's turning into charcoal and the only option left at the casino is to double down...for the 18th time. Means everything at the super market in terms of price is going to double again. Your salaries and incomes won't though.

link to image: http://i66.tinypic.com/2vcjl09.jpg

What difference do increased prices make? Decent size business avoid taxes, prices might double but it will only service CEO's, directors and all others with a high investment in the said business. Capitalism is for people to capitalize, and you can be sure they will will capitalize on raised prices all the while avoiding taxes.

The only thing that can save America now is stripping the filthy rich right down to their underwear, but I think we all know that will never happen.

That will happen because all their wealth is based on debt that everyone else has to pay off. When it crashes all that debt disappears because no one can pay it.

But they've just erected a system that doesn't matter to them if it collapses or not, they just extract whatever profits there are, and pass losses off onto the public. That's their socialism, and liberals think they're getting socialism. No, only the TBTF crew gets access to socialism.

But when all the debt collapses there's nothing to bail out the banks. But again, the elite just corporations as shells to protect themselves in the event everything crashes.
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