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This is how long we got
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Post: #61
RE: This is how long we got
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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:05 PM)
Debt Expansion = 0.085
Debt 2017 = 2.00E+13
GDP 2017 = 1.70E+13
GDP expansion = 2.5%
Average interest on debt 2.5%
Allowable Percentage of Taxes to Interest 25.0%

Year Debt GDP Taxable Amount 33% Taxable Amount Interest on the debt
2018 $21,700,000,000,000 $17,425,000,000,000 $2,962,250,000,000 $740,562,500,000 $542,500,000,000 ok
2019 $23,544,500,000,000 $17,860,625,000,000 $3,036,306,250,000 $759,076,562,500 $588,612,500,000 ok
2020 $25,545,782,500,000 $18,307,140,625,000 $3,112,213,906,250 $778,053,476,563 $638,644,562,500 ok
2021 $27,717,174,012,500 $18,764,819,140,625 $3,190,019,253,906 $797,504,813,477 $692,929,350,313 ok
2022 $30,073,133,803,563 $19,233,939,619,141 $3,269,769,735,254 $817,442,433,813 $751,828,345,089 ok
2023 $32,629,350,176,865 $19,714,788,109,619 $3,351,513,978,635 $837,878,494,659 $815,733,754,422 ok
2024 $35,402,844,941,899 $20,207,657,812,360 $3,435,301,828,101 $858,825,457,025 $885,071,123,547 BUST


Sorry for the mess, calcs came from a spreadsheet, I'm an engineer not a publisher dammit.

Lmao

You are forgetting Federal Unfunded Liabilities (100 trillion per usdebtclock.org), student loans, business debt, and state debt!

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Post: #63
RE: This is how long we got
Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (04-18-2017 08:59 PM)
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:05 PM)
Debt Expansion = 0.085
Debt 2017 = 2.00E+13
GDP 2017 = 1.70E+13
GDP expansion = 2.5%
Average interest on debt 2.5%
Allowable Percentage of Taxes to Interest 25.0%

Year Debt GDP Taxable Amount 33% Taxable Amount Interest on the debt
2018 $21,700,000,000,000 $17,425,000,000,000 $2,962,250,000,000 $740,562,500,000 $542,500,000,000 ok
2019 $23,544,500,000,000 $17,860,625,000,000 $3,036,306,250,000 $759,076,562,500 $588,612,500,000 ok
2020 $25,545,782,500,000 $18,307,140,625,000 $3,112,213,906,250 $778,053,476,563 $638,644,562,500 ok
2021 $27,717,174,012,500 $18,764,819,140,625 $3,190,019,253,906 $797,504,813,477 $692,929,350,313 ok
2022 $30,073,133,803,563 $19,233,939,619,141 $3,269,769,735,254 $817,442,433,813 $751,828,345,089 ok
2023 $32,629,350,176,865 $19,714,788,109,619 $3,351,513,978,635 $837,878,494,659 $815,733,754,422 ok
2024 $35,402,844,941,899 $20,207,657,812,360 $3,435,301,828,101 $858,825,457,025 $885,071,123,547 BUST


Sorry for the mess, calcs came from a spreadsheet, I'm an engineer not a publisher dammit.

Lmao

You are forgetting Federal Unfunded Liabilities (100 trillion per usdebtclock.org), student loans, business debt, and state debt!

Yes you are right. I originally started the calculations to try and get a rough idea on when the debt would actually become a problem they can no longer deny.

If you added in those liabilities then I think we have less than 2 years.
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Post: #64
RE: This is how long we got
SkeptiSchism NLI  Wrote: (04-18-2017 09:17 PM)
Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (04-18-2017 08:59 PM)
You are forgetting Federal Unfunded Liabilities (100 trillion per usdebtclock.org), student loans, business debt, and state debt!

Yes you are right. I originally started the calculations to try and get a rough idea on when the debt would actually become a problem they can no longer deny.

If you added in those liabilities then I think we have less than 2 years.

Less than one year, probably much less.

They like to do major moves like this in the fall for some reason.

JFK, 9/11 come to mind.

Law of the harvest?
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RE: This is how long we got
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-18-2017 09:52 PM)
SkeptiSchism NLI  Wrote: (04-18-2017 09:17 PM)
Yes you are right. I originally started the calculations to try and get a rough idea on when the debt would actually become a problem they can no longer deny.

If you added in those liabilities then I think we have less than 2 years.

Less than one year, probably much less.

They like to do major moves like this in the fall for some reason.

JFK, 9/11 come to mind.

Law of the harvest?

I was thinking of this on the back page:

LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-26-2017 11:13 PM)
I think the key to watch is the interest they pay on the debt, that is the percentage of tax receipts which is used to service the debt. I don't have a good resource to show you, but I just read today that the Dutch had invented government bonds (debt) and after they did they created a huge debt bubble and when the bubble had peaked the government was paying 68% of their taxes to service the debt.

We are nowhere near that, but in 2 years we could hit 1/3 of all taxes servicing the debt and in reality that could be close to the Dutch record because we are meeting the deficit for social security and medicare right now with tax receipts.

So when you add up payments for entitlements, with direct government liabilities to service the debt (interest) we could be close to 2/3s of tax revenues servicing our debt.

The Dutch government used government bonds to live beyond its means, borrowing money to fund everything imaginable– wars, infrastructure, and ballooning deficits.

But people kept buying the bonds, convinced that the Dutch government will never default.

Everyone was brainwashed; the mere suggestion that the Dutch government would default was tantamount to blasphemy.

It didn’t matter that the debt level was so high that by the early 1800s the Dutch government was spending 68% of tax revenue just to service the debt.

Well, in 1814 the impossible happened: the Dutch government defaulted


https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/the-...gle-21175/

Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicati...eation.pdf
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RE: This is how long we got
SkeptiSchism NLI  Wrote: (04-18-2017 09:17 PM)
Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (04-18-2017 08:59 PM)
You are forgetting Federal Unfunded Liabilities (100 trillion per usdebtclock.org), student loans, business debt, and state debt!

Yes you are right. I originally started the calculations to try and get a rough idea on when the debt would actually become a problem they can no longer deny.

If you added in those liabilities then I think we have less than 2 years.


The unfunded liabilities are growing at over 6% per year while the economy and tax receipts are under 1% currently. Now add the coming recession into the equation where growth is negative for a prolonged period of time, while ULs are still growing at over 6% per year..

It's funny to think that the USG has promised to print $100 trillion to meet these unfunded liability promises. It's rather shocking when you look at it that way. Watching it in action will be much more shocking..
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Post: #67
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It's owed to the owners of America's privately owned central bank, who were kind enough to create that money out of thin-air and loan it to the government.

So, jail the banksters and write off the odious debt. Then install a sane banking system.
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Post: #68
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:15 PM)
We can squeeze out 10 years if we assume we can divert 33% of all taxation to servicing the debt.

They should use the word 'liabilities' instead of 'debt'.
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/SV/  Wrote: (04-18-2017 10:06 PM)
SkeptiSchism NLI  Wrote: (04-18-2017 09:17 PM)
Yes you are right. I originally started the calculations to try and get a rough idea on when the debt would actually become a problem they can no longer deny.

If you added in those liabilities then I think we have less than 2 years.


The unfunded liabilities are growing at over 6% per year while the economy and tax receipts are under 1% currently. Now add the coming recession into the equation where growth is negative for a prolonged period of time, while ULs are still growing at over 6% per year..

It's funny to think that the USG has promised to print $100 trillion to meet these unfunded liability promises. It's rather shocking when you look at it that way. Watching it in action will be much more shocking..

Always appreciate your input /SV/ I did those calcs in like 20 minutes on excel a couple months ago, just trying to nail down some kind of concept that would outline this monster problem/bubble.

Know what I mean? But you're right I assumed 2% growth I think, the Atlanta Fed's model just fell to 0.5% I think.

I'd like to try and plot the curves out and then import them into illustrator and do some stuff but I'm still learning.

chuckle

Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicati...eation.pdf
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RE: This is how long we got
Яudis  Wrote: (02-02-2017 08:24 PM)
Wait, We Go Bust at just 1 Quadrillion, hell actually right before we reach 1 QUADRILLIAN.

Is that when they run out of paper to reprint money?

He is an Engineer Damnit, not an economist or accountant. chuckle

It was over 3 quadrillion several years ago.

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http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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[Image: OOAL8RU.gif]

Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicati...eation.pdf
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Post: #73
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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (04-19-2017 02:40 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-19-2017 02:38 AM)
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

chuckle

link to image: http://i.imgur.com/OOAL8RU.gif

With the debt clock ticking this fast, how soon before US Inc runs-out of cash?

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-756246.html

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Americans are swamped in $1 trillion of credit card debt

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-756078.html
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RE: This is how long we got
Exhibit J

[Image: Top-Two-Gold-Miners-Cost-vs-Gold-Price.png?x65756]

15 years,

$243(1+0.085)^15 = $826.

So, you can see that real inflation is running higher than 8.5% since the cost of production has risen from $243 an ounce in 2000 to $1,116 an ounce in 2015.

And at that low price differential, and the degrading quality of ore deposits, I don't think too many people will be willing to sell actual metal.

Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicati...eation.pdf
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