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AGW forced Climate Change is not up for debate.
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Post: #511
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Not concrete, because another location could easily be reducing in temperatures.

Unless we get a global reading across all parts, it is not conclusive. Suspicious, but not conclusive.

Then there is other things we are not aware of.

- Were sensors calibrated precisely to each other?
- Were the scientists responsible biased?
- Did that location equally cool off in higher altitudes?
- Does natural temperature variation occur within these bounds?
- How many tests were done and what is the error rate?
- If done by a satellite, 1/3rd of Earths readings are not possible. Unless multiple satellites. But then were they properly calibrated to each other?
- Is the sensor exposed to sunlight?
- Policy makers, do they profit from this data result? If so, highly suspicious of fraud for lots of money, theft.


It is very interesting, but not conclusive. It can be debated, as pointed out.
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Post: #512
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-20-2017 03:28 PM)
So, we're back to AGW again? You had me at climate change. AGW? Not so much. Either way, I'm all for clean energy. I'm also for using what we have in place, until a new green infrastructure is built without breaking the backs of the poor.


Carry on.

Exactly, if everyone went to electric car, the power grid would crash. Causing a sh*t ton of pollution from the social chaos.

Then there is the issue with making the batteries and the pollution that creates.


One point I like to mention, there is a moon around Jupiter that has oceans, rivers, lakes of hydrocarbons. It rains hydrocarbons.

This means one or the other....

1) We found proof of alien life
2) We found proof oil is abiotic.
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Post: #513
RE: AGW forced Climate Change is not up for debate.
The missing charts: how much carbon-polluting fuel is humanity burning?

I built three charts using the compiled BP fossil fuel data. This first chart shows the total energy consumed from burning fossil fuels each year.

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http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/07/...-addiction

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Post: #514
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Bump

Because I really enjoy bumping utterly retarded shitstain threads

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Post: #515
RE: AGW forced Climate Change is not up for debate.
(From the Crock-of-sh*t Dept.)

On 9 July 2017, Breitbart News ran a story written by chart enthusiast James Delingpole, which carried a characteristically provocative and demonstrably false headline:

‘Nearly All’ Recent Global Warming Is Fabricated, Study Finds
In it, Delingpole alleges that a “peer-reviewed” study (first “exclusively” highlighted by the Daily Caller), written by “two scientists and a veteran statistician” found evidence that “much of global warming has been fabricated by climate scientists”:

The peer-reviewed study by two scientists and a veteran statistician looked at the global average temperature datasets (GAST) which are used by climate alarmists to argue that recent years have been “the hottest evah” and that the warming of the last 120 years has been dramatic and unprecedented.

What they found is that these readings are “totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.” That is, the adjusted data used by alarmist organizations like NASA, NOAA, and the UK Met Office differs so markedly from the original raw data that it cannot be trusted.
A Peer-Reviewed Study?

Breitbart here lowers the bar for what passes as both “peer-reviewed” and a “study”. This report, published on a WordPress blog run by co-author Joseph D’Aleo — a meteorologist who did not complete a PhD, but who prominently advertises his honorary doctorate on the document’s cover page — is not published in a scientific journal.

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Quote:Note how most of the downward adjustments take place in the early twentieth century and most of the upward take place in the late twentieth century. According to meteorologist Joe D’Aleo, who co-authored the study with statistician James Wallace and Cato Institute climate scientist Craig Idso, this has the effect of exaggerating the warming trend. “Nearly all of the warming they are now showing are in the adjustments,” [D’Aleo said].
This statement implores us to falsely interpret the figure as showing changes to the raw data itself. As previously mentioned, however, this chart (and many similar ones in the “study”) shows changes between two versions of corrected data. To make the point Delingpole thinks D’Aleo is making, you would need to show that corrected records of climate relative to raw data make recent temperatures warmer than the raw data, and older records cooler.

Considering the most significant adjustment to the data actually increases early 20th century temperatures without doing the same to the post-1950 data, this argument would be a nearly impossible one to make if burdened by facts. Here’s a comparison of a variety of corrected records compared to the raw (uncorrected data), showing that, in fact, the opposite of what D’Aleo is suggesting is the reality:

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http://www.snopes.com/climatology-fraud-global-warming/


Once more yet another fabricated load of BigOil funded denial is debunked into oblivion.

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Post: #517
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On Tuesday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration released its annual index of 20 key greenhouse gases. It shows that their direct influence on the climate has risen 140 percent since 1750, with 40 percent of that rise coming in just the past 26 years. That increase is almost entirely due to human activities and has caused the planet to warm 1.8°F (1°C) above pre-industrial temperatures.

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http://www.climatecentral.org/news/green...here-21618

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Post: #518
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MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data In New Report: In No Way A “Valid Representation of Reality”

Look that one up because you are basing your facts on BS.
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Post: #519
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Dumbass

OP = NWO troll.
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Post: #520
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Quote:By listening to denialist arguments, I find they fall into a few broad categories. Some of them are just plain false. Examples in this category are ones like:
  • There was a halt to global warming starting 1998.
  • Humans are only responsible for a tiny fraction of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
  • Scientists are colluding to create this fraud.
Others are not false but are completely irrelevant. For example:
  • Climate is always changing.
  • We didn’t have thermometers a million years ago to measure global temperatures.
  • Cities are hotter than their surroundings.
Why would people think things or repeat statements that are known to be false or irrelevant? I am convinced that for the vast majority of people, they are not intentionally being incorrect. Something must be forcing them to be wrong. What could that be? Why are people so willing to believe and repeat lies?

That brings me to the connection with President Trump. His sheer number of falsehoods and flip-flops is so great, you lose track of them all. For instance, let us take the so-called wall to stop illegal immigration. First he said Mexico will pay for it and it will be “so tall;” now, he wants it to be paid by the US taxpayer. He falsely exaggerated the number of jobs that have been created since he came into office. He made false statements about the size of his electoral win. He made false statements about President Obama’s birthplace. He has made false and unsupported claims about voter fraud. He has made false claims about climate scientists.

Finally, there is the current investigation into his and his administration’s potential collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice. I could go on and on and likely will get complaints from readers that I forgot this or that falsehood, but I have to limit the length of this post.

In a sane world, everyone would understand the threat of climate change and our ability to take meaningful action to handle it. In a sane world, no one would believe a president who has misled them time and time again.

So that raises the question - what is the reason people still discount the incontrovertible climate change evidence? What is the reason a persistent minority still support this dishonest president? I think I have figured it out, and if I’m right, it makes it much easier to reconcile the generally logical people I know with their seeming indefensible belief systems.

In a certain respect, this reason is something we as humans are nearly powerless to counteract. Before I give the reason, I want to be clear that I am sure others have noticed this too. I am sure others have written learned papers articulating this much more clearly than I can. My discovery is just a personal observation; something I should have recognized long ago. I am also not a psychologist so this is just my observations as a physical scientist.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...dent-trump

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Post: #521
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Climate change is real, case closed. But there's still a lot we don't understand about it, and the more we know the better chance we have to slow it down. One still-unknown factor: How might clouds play a part? There's a small hope that they could buy us some time to fix things ... or they could make global warming worse. Climate scientist Kate Marvel takes us through the science of clouds and what it might take for Earth to break its own fever.

14m
video:
https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_marvel_ca...ate_change


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Post: #522
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It's great watching the warmists melt down. Welcome to the new ice age.
Lmao
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Post: #523
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Bump
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Post: #524
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-18-2017 01:50 PM)
Dumbass

OP = NWO troll.

And a retarded fuckwit too. Never forget that

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Post: #525
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (07-18-2017 02:53 PM)
Climate change is real, case closed. But there's still a lot we don't understand about it

What a stupid f*cking comment

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