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In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
Sing-I'llSway
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In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
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Not that I'm a big fan of having people knock and then proselytize to me on my front door, but still. It's kind of a dick move to ban them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/world...esses.html


Russia's Supreme Court has deemed them "an extremist group". Which is...so silly. I'd say they're definitely extremely irritating, but an "extremist group"...? Given the context we all know that implies...?


All in all, it's simply disgusting. Any attempt, by the state or anyone, to prevent individuals from practicing any faith they choose is a devolved assault not just on personal liberty but civilization itself. We HAVE TO allow each other to worship as we individually choose. Regardless.

from the article:
"Jehovah’s Witnesses shuns political activity and has no record of even peaceful — never mind violent — hostility to the Russian authorities. But it has faced growing hostility from the state since President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia began his third term in 2012 and put the Orthodox Church at the center of his push to assert Russia as a great military and moral power."

It reminds me of Nazi hostility to Catholics during World War 2.

Basically the Nazis were DEEPLY suspicious of Catholics since the headquarters of the church is Rome. Fascism dictates TOTAL loyalty to the state. But Catholics living under the purview of the Third Reich were considered POTENTIALLY harboring dual loyalties:

Third Reich/Rome
Adolf Hitler/Pope Pius the 12th


As a result many Catholics suffered and many priests in particular were outright murdered.

It seems Russia isn't crazy about the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses practice a faith headquartered in the United States. The kind of thing that, unfortunately, seems to keep repressive dictators awake at night.

"You're going straight to hell."

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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
they believe in personal freedom there

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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
JW's are not permitted to serve in the military. This could be the problem.
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
they're sticky like glue and have lawyers up the wazoo
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
Uppity Me  Wrote: (04-21-2017 04:59 AM)
they believe in personal freedom there

Um...no they don't.

"You're going straight to hell."

-Lin-Manuel Miranda, in a courageous, justified tweet to Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, in the wake of his foul attack on the mayor of a city devastated by a natural disaster where American citizens are dying
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:02 AM)
JW's are not permitted to serve in the military. This could be the problem.

I'm assuming you mean Russia?

Granted, there's only 175,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. Considering many of them are likely women and children and old men, that leaves a fraction of whom would be considered fit for military service.

Russia's military has 771,000 active personnel along with almost 2.5 million reservists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces

So my guess is Russia's getting along well enough without the sure-handed contributions of its Jehovah's Witnesses. I can't imagine it'd be such an issue that Putin would have no other choice but to ban the entire faith outright.

Although personally, whatever the reasons, I find Russia's decision abhorrent.

If I'm a guy who decides I want to be a Jehovah's Witness...I should be allowed to be a Jehovah's Witness. It's that simple. What right does anyone have to say I can't...?

It's my strong opinion that preventing an individual from enjoying the freedom to practice whatever faith he/she chooses is barbaric.

"You're going straight to hell."

-Lin-Manuel Miranda, in a courageous, justified tweet to Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, in the wake of his foul attack on the mayor of a city devastated by a natural disaster where American citizens are dying
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
flatland  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:35 AM)
they're sticky like glue and have lawyers up the wazoo



And the turtles, of course... all the turtles are free
As turtles and, maybe, all creatures should be.

"You're going straight to hell."

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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
Sing-IllSway  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:50 AM)
flatland  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:35 AM)
they're sticky like glue and have lawyers up the wazoo



And the turtles, of course... all the turtles are free
As turtles and, maybe, all creatures should be.

thats catchy! kind of Loraxian
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:02 AM)
JW's are not permitted to serve in the military. This could be the problem.

In the US many went to jail for refusing to serve in the military during war time.

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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
Isabella  Wrote: (04-21-2017 06:04 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:02 AM)
JW's are not permitted to serve in the military. This could be the problem.

In the US many went to jail for refusing to serve in the military during war time.

Yep and they were the only true heroesJhikpghf
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
flatland  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:56 AM)
Sing-IllSway  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:50 AM)
And the turtles, of course... all the turtles are free
As turtles and, maybe, all creatures should be.

thats catchy! kind of Loraxian

Good call. Gotta give credit where credit is due- it actually IS Dr. Seuss. Specifically from "Yertle the Turtle".

I thought your post sounded Seuss-esque, so I decided I'd respond similarly. I jogged over to Wikiquote and did a quick scan of his work.

Amazingly that quote ^^^^^ seemed to thematically match the subject of the thread, so in it went.

"You're going straight to hell."

-Lin-Manuel Miranda, in a courageous, justified tweet to Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, in the wake of his foul attack on the mayor of a city devastated by a natural disaster where American citizens are dying
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
Isabella  Wrote: (04-21-2017 06:04 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:02 AM)
JW's are not permitted to serve in the military. This could be the problem.

In the US many went to jail for refusing to serve in the military during war time.

One of my favorite Golden Age Hollywood films is Howard Hawks' "Sergeant York", with Gary Cooper playing Medal of Honor recipient Alvin York.

York started out as a conscientious objector during World War 1. He was drafted but told the higher-ups he wasn't going to fight. Eventually he had a change of heart and proved himself, for better or worse, thanks to his skills with a rifle learned growing up on a farm in rural Tennessee, to be quite an efficient killer.

It's a surprisingly complicated story, and though the film is admittedly blatant propaganda (it was made at the start of World War 2), it's brilliant and in my opinion still holds up well.

The sequence of Gary Cooper cutting down German-after-German is, especially for its time, rather disturbing.

"You're going straight to hell."

-Lin-Manuel Miranda, in a courageous, justified tweet to Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, in the wake of his foul attack on the mayor of a city devastated by a natural disaster where American citizens are dying
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 06:19 AM)
Isabella  Wrote: (04-21-2017 06:04 AM)
In the US many went to jail for refusing to serve in the military during war time.

Yep and they were the only true heroesJhikpghf

I don't know about the only heroes...but I respect very much them holding true to their principles. Admirable.

"You're going straight to hell."

-Lin-Manuel Miranda, in a courageous, justified tweet to Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, in the wake of his foul attack on the mayor of a city devastated by a natural disaster where American citizens are dying
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
Huh. Everyone here was loving Russia and Putin five minutes ago. Lol.
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RE: In Russia it's officially illegal to be a Jehovah's Witness
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 06:45 AM)
Huh. Everyone here was loving Russia and Putin five minutes ago. Lol.

I've never understood why Russia is so "popular" with certain factions of this forum.

Most of them are the same people who run around with their fingers in their hair hyper-ventilating over what they perceive to be "fake news" in the American press.

Meanwhile Russia HAS actually combined their government and popular news broadcasting into an entity known as RT and none of them seem to give a sh*t.

lol...seriously, to me, it's one of the true mysteries of this place.

Plus, add in Russia's blatant, shameless persecution of their LGBT-citizens and it's like, lol...what the hell is wrong with you people?

I'm not sure if many users of this forum simply don't know these things about Russia. Or they know but don't care. Or they think these things are "fake news" because they're reported in the "msm". Or whatever. Who knows.

f*ckin' Russia...

It's all actually a big part of the reason I'm not on this forum regularly anymore. I only post about one night a week now because, frankly, it gets boring here. Being knee-deep in fundamentalist ideologues gets old fast.

"You're going straight to hell."

-Lin-Manuel Miranda, in a courageous, justified tweet to Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, in the wake of his foul attack on the mayor of a city devastated by a natural disaster where American citizens are dying
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