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Investors VS. Consumers
House of M
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04-21-2017 04:39 PM

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Post: #1
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In America, the interests of investors ALWAYS precedes the interests of mere consumers. In law and public policies, consumers interests are LAST.


Discuss.


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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
I would not agree with investors being the most protected group.
Business over all else.
It protects investors usually but investors can still be screwed when the business requires them to be.
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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
Looks like I wasn't the only one thinking the same. Searched "investors vs. consumers" yields results.

Investors vs. Consumers: Misaligned Interests?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-interests

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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 04:57 PM)
I would not agree with investors being the most protected group.
Business over all else.
It protects investors usually but investors can still be screwed when the business requires them to be.

So business first, investors second, consumers last? Just trying to figure out the priorities of the American economy. It's clearly rigged AGAINST those without capital. Just trying to obviate.

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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 04:39 PM)
Premise:

In America, the interests of investors ALWAYS precedes the interests of mere consumers. In law and public policies, consumers interests are LAST.


Discuss.


Caogafag

Good analogy and proves their illogical reasoning since all future value is based on the consumer.

Lmao
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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:03 PM)
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 04:39 PM)
Premise:

In America, the interests of investors ALWAYS precedes the interests of mere consumers. In law and public policies, consumers interests are LAST.


Discuss.


Caogafag

Good analogy and proves their illogical reasoning since all future value is based on the consumer.

Lmao

EXACTLY! They seem to have forgotten about "the golden goose" altogether.

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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:01 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 04:57 PM)
I would not agree with investors being the most protected group.
Business over all else.
It protects investors usually but investors can still be screwed when the business requires them to be.

So business first, investors second, consumers last? Just trying to figure out the priorities of the American economy. It's clearly rigged AGAINST those without capital. Just trying to obviate.

I'm unsure if its actually aimed against poor people so much as rigged in favor of the capital rich. Thus capitalism.

Its the entire history of the USA.
My favorite example is the Whiskey Rebellion.
Simple version. The brand new US govt passes a tax on whiskey manufacture which will harm farmers and other private people who make whiskey while only being a minor irritant to large distilleries. Considering it will effectively destroy their "competition" it can be seen as a bribe from whiskey making business to the govt to destroy their competition. People in the Ohio river valley dont like it, raise a ruckus, so G Washington marches the army in to quell the rebellion.

From day one the USA was set up to benefit the rich.
The "american dream" has always been a lie to smokescreen business/govt collusion.
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House of M
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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:10 PM)
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:01 PM)
So business first, investors second, consumers last? Just trying to figure out the priorities of the American economy. It's clearly rigged AGAINST those without capital. Just trying to obviate.

I'm unsure if its actually aimed against poor people so much as rigged in favor of the capital rich. Thus capitalism.

Its the entire history of the USA.
My favorite example is the Whiskey Rebellion.
Simple version. The brand new US govt passes a tax on whiskey manufacture which will harm farmers and other private people who make whiskey while only being a minor irritant to large distilleries. Considering it will effectively destroy their "competition" it can be seen as a bribe from whiskey making business to the govt to destroy their competition. People in the Ohio river valley dont like it, raise a ruckus, so G Washington marches the army in to quell the rebellion.

From day one the USA was set up to benefit the rich.
The "american dream" has always been a lie to smokescreen business/govt collusion.

Good example! America was set up this way, yet I find it interesting that there's nothing in the Constitution referencing the type of political economy that is required, unless I missed something there is nothing stating that "Capitalism Shall be the Law of the Land."

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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 04:39 PM)
Premise:

In America, the interests of investors ALWAYS precedes the interests of mere consumers. In law and public policies, consumers interests are LAST.


Discuss.


Caogafag


So which one depends on government welfare the most?

Wow, lets all respect the government welfare investor. and vote them into office.
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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:06 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:03 PM)
Good analogy and proves their illogical reasoning since all future value is based on the consumer.

Lmao

EXACTLY! They seem to have forgotten about "the golden goose" altogether.

You do realize it's because stock prices appreciate from financial engineering and not traditional metrics like earnings, profit, debt, etc?

And the fed has enabled the greatest stock buyback, leveraged buyout, reorganization, buzzard economy in the history of humanity?

It's delusional thinking that structured social systems are somehow inherently better or more moral or wiser than individuals acting of their own accord and free will.
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gmorning RE: Investors VS. Consumers
Please keep in mind Capitalism = Owning and implementing the Means of Production .

This perversion into Investment Capitalism is a different animal altogether .

Fascists used Corporate Ownership of Business Interests to control their Economies .

United States Fascists have morphed that into Control by Regulation on top of holding major Stock percentages in " Public " Companies .

None of which is Capitalism in the original sense .

CAPITALIST, noun A man who has a capital or stock in trade, usually denoting a man of large property, which is or may be employed in business.

Webster's 1828 American Dictionary .

You don't need that much Stock in Trade . A Carpenter's Tool Carry and the skill to use them effectively = Capitalist Tradesman / Woman .

Replacement 4 Local Link DELETED : The Constitution - Estate in Trust for the Heirs of Freedom

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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:06 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:03 PM)
Good analogy and proves their illogical reasoning since all future value is based on the consumer.

Lmao

EXACTLY! They seem to have forgotten about "the golden goose" altogether.

Investors are all consumers yet all consumers are not investors so who the hell are we talking about
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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
House of M  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:18 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-21-2017 05:10 PM)
I'm unsure if its actually aimed against poor people so much as rigged in favor of the capital rich. Thus capitalism.

Its the entire history of the USA.
My favorite example is the Whiskey Rebellion.
Simple version. The brand new US govt passes a tax on whiskey manufacture which will harm farmers and other private people who make whiskey while only being a minor irritant to large distilleries. Considering it will effectively destroy their "competition" it can be seen as a bribe from whiskey making business to the govt to destroy their competition. People in the Ohio river valley dont like it, raise a ruckus, so G Washington marches the army in to quell the rebellion.

From day one the USA was set up to benefit the rich.
The "american dream" has always been a lie to smokescreen business/govt collusion.

Good example! America was set up this way, yet I find it interesting that there's nothing in the Constitution referencing the type of political economy that is required, unless I missed something there is nothing stating that "Capitalism Shall be the Law of the Land."

Because there isnt. The closest thing is the 'all states will have a replublic as a govt".

Besides all governments are by their nature socialist.
A group banding together for the benefit of the group.
Its just that group dynamics don't stop at the national level.
Business owners had the money and influence to decide they didn't want some King accross the sea to get access to all that sweet tax money and convinced the masses to shift power to a local govt (american revolution). They then set themselves up as the new controlling power.

Basically it boils down to the fact that people don't want to control you for your benefit, only their own. A minimum amount of resources will be expended to keep the illusion of group benefit alive but the reason people want to control others is for their own benefit.
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House of M
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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
Some good comments here! Seems like the early settlers just wanted to figure out how to transfer oligarchy from Europe to America. Same system, different rulers.

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RE: Investors VS. Consumers
You may be familiar with the term day-trader. A day-trader is a high-risk investor who jumps in and out of the stock market, often many times a day, to capitalize on small price changes. These people have virtually no interest in the companies whose stock they are purchasing. They are simply trying to catch stocks that they think are going to rise in value, and then they will sell and go looking for other quick-pick opportunities.

The church is not like the stock market, but within the church there are a lot of what I call day-traders. They know a little about God, and think they can buy a small share of Christianity without first investigating Jesus’ claim to being Lord over all of their lives. They show up with a “What’s in it for me” mentality.

The great need in our churches today is for investors, not consumers. We need folks who stay faithful and invest their time, energy, finances, talents, personality, wisdom, and experience to build the church and accomplish the vision of world evangelism. It takes hard work and patience, but it pays off. The local church is the greatest work in the world and it deserves our full devotion.
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