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Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
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Post: #46
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 05:03 PM)
It all boils down to one thing with every individual: Are you rational? Or are you irrational?

If you are a FE believer, you are probably not rational.

The OP will appeal to your distrust in authority as his primary rationalism. Everything else is pure batshit loonyville.

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Post: #47
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Again, videos are very instructive. For debate, however, we need textual analysis. Photos which have not been manipulated are also helpful.

This one uses spherical trigonometry to determine how much the curve would hide objects at 59 miles distance. The formula is 8 inches x miles squared, then divided by 12 to convert to feet.
Everyone can try it themselves over a calm stretch of water.
For 3 miles, e.g., you derive 8 x (3 x 3) = 8 x 9 = 72 inches. You must factor in observer height too or use an online algorithm. At zero feet in height at 3 miles then, there should be 6 feet of curve that hides objects. At 59 miles, see picture below.

[Image: 11035683_702251386553055_8670428708932061960_n.jpg]

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Post: #48
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
beer  Wrote: (05-08-2017 05:24 PM)
According to NASA:

Quote:The simplest version of the inflationary theory, an extension of the Big Bang theory, predicts that the density of the universe is very close to the critical density, and that the geometry of the universe is flat, like a sheet of paper.

[Image: 990006_320.jpg]

https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

But hey, there's nothing wrong with a ball inside of sheet of paper chuckle
these shapes develop from different planes.... and algorithms
I can see it can also be a metaphysical way to think about life

It doesn't bother me.
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Post: #49
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
The Pacific is west of California. If FE then is it flat like in the new
books, Rev. 7.2 where it is four corners " square and true." Or, is it flat like a shield as in the old books? Before the three headed God religion took over the Greek Philosophers had measured the sphere of the Earth
within a few hundred miles. That was around 300 BCE. Pictures show the true shape of Earth World.

Jhikpghf End Jhikpghf
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Post: #50
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Quote:Again, videos are very instructive. For debate, however, we need textual analysis.

So says Stephen Hawking:

Quote:It would be very difficult to design a living being that could exist in only two dimensions.

Food that the creature couldn't digest would have to be spat out the same way it came in. If there were a passage right the way through, like we have, the poor animal would fall apart.

So three dimensions, seems to be the minimum for life. But just as one can think of two dimensional beings living on the surface of the Earth, so one could imagine that the three dimensional space in which we live, was the surface of a sphere, in another dimension that we don't see. If the sphere were very large, space would be nearly flat, and Euclidean geometry would be a very good approximation over small distances. But we would notice that Euclidean geometry broke down, over large distances. As an illustration of this, imagine a team of painters, adding paint to the surface of a large ball. As the thickness of the paint layer increased, the surface area would go up. If the ball were in a flat three-dimensional space, one could go on adding paint indefinitely, and the ball would get bigger and bigger. However, if the three-dimensional space, were really the surface of a sphere in another dimension, its volume would be large but finite. As one added more layers of paint, the ball would eventually fill half the space. After that, the painters would find that they were trapped in a region of ever decreasing size, and almost the whole of space, was occupied by the ball, and its layers of paint. So they would know that they were living in a curved space, and not a flat one.
This example shows that one can not deduce the geometry of the world from first principles, as the ancient Greeks thought. Instead, one has to measure the space we live in, and find out its geometry by experiment. However, although a way to describe curved spaces, was developed by the German, George Friedrich Riemann, in 1854, it remained just a piece of mathematics for sixty years. It could describe curved spaces that existed in the abstract, but there seemed no reason why the physical space we lived in, should be curved. This came only in 1915, when Einstein put forward the General Theory of Relativity.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 05:35 PM)
Again, videos are very instructive. For debate, however, we need textual analysis. Photos which have not been manipulated are also helpful.

This one uses spherical trigonometry to determine how much the curve would hide objects at 59 miles distance. The formula is 8 inches x miles squared, then divided by 12 to convert to feet.
Everyone can try it themselves over a calm stretch of water.
For 3 miles, e.g., you derive 8 x (3 x 3) = 8 x 9 = 72 inches. You must factor in observer height too or use an online algorithm. At zero feet in height at 3 miles then, there should be 6 feet of curve that hides objects. At 59 miles, see picture below.

[Image: 11035683_702251386553055_8670428708932061960_n.jpg]
There are better algorithms used for remote sensing, navigation, and projectory.
https://confcats_isif.s3.amazonaws.com/w..._24886.pdf

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/6.2004-4902
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teach RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 04:21 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 04:09 PM)
Its not legit.

Disturbed just enjoys giving the mentally ill a place to post.

Ad hominem about me and scurrilous attack on admin. Bad form, guest.

HamburgerWagon  Wrote: (05-08-2017 04:09 PM)
The earth is not flat

Bumps are muchly appreciated, but . . . please see the part in my OP that asks for evidence to support a debate position. You lost one (1) debate point for your failure to bolster your opinion.
This following bit of evidence is what I asked for, in every post, a piece of the puzzle, pro or con.
The animation comes from Nasa. It has multiple flaws. Can you spot them? I can enumerate them in another post. I do so to discredit the prime authority on current cosmology.




Grav, I now see that everywhere you go you spread this profound stupidity.
Anyone that objects is promptly tattled on. Tissue

Studies show that those with a lower IQ tend to be offended more easily than intelligent folks. Just saying.


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This place is slow and sucks pretty hard, always has.
Get me baned if you want. IDGAF.
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Post: #53
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 04:25 PM)
Posters have no (0) empirical evidence to date? Round Earth is off to a bad start, it seems.

Regarding animation above, flaws so far include these:

1. clouds not moving, frozen in place for almost 5 hours;

2. unnatural 2-D moon;

3. straight-line trajectory of the moon;

4. wrong dimensions of US, which should be 3/8 earth diameter;

5. squiggly dark lines of clouds (right above the moon) which look a mask or a butterfly, or letters, one of which may be an X;

6. lack of earth's rotation; the moon appears stuck over the Pacific east of California. 

I'm a rounder, but that video is very unconvincing. Looked fake the moment I first saw it.
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Post: #54
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Fork 5G  Wrote: (05-08-2017 05:43 PM)
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 05:35 PM)
Again, videos are very instructive. For debate, however, we need textual analysis. Photos which have not been manipulated are also helpful.

This one uses spherical trigonometry to determine how much the curve would hide objects at 59 miles distance. The formula is 8 inches x miles squared, then divided by 12 to convert to feet.
Everyone can try it themselves over a calm stretch of water.
For 3 miles, e.g., you derive 8 x (3 x 3) = 8 x 9 = 72 inches. You must factor in observer height too or use an online algorithm. At zero feet in height at 3 miles then, there should be 6 feet of curve that hides objects. At 59 miles, see picture below.

[Image: 11035683_702251386553055_8670428708932061960_n.jpg]
There are better algorithms used for remote sensing, navigation, and projectory.
https://confcats_isif.s3.amazonaws.com/w..._24886.pdf

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/6.2004-4902

This is the simplest. It's pure math, based on the putative circumference of earth. Plug in observer eye height, target distance, press calculate, voila!

https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-cal...t=imperial

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"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Humans cannot determine true shape of things for one simple reason. They have binocular vision.

[Image: 220px-Binocular_vision.svg.png]

[Image: pc-3-d-brain.jpg]

Do you think the dragonfly sees the same as you?

[Image: Dragonfly-eyes.jpg]
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Post: #56
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Did the babylonians chart the movement of the planets from a heliocentric view centuries before Ptolemy offered his model?

Whether they did or not they plotted other planets motion to the degree that if they didn't know the earth was round they sure as hell measured from that standpoint. chuckle

I'll save cut and paste but this is a great link if you are into it:

http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb2c.html
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Post: #57
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Did you know that constellations have not changed in 6000 years? Considering the speeds and trajectories of stars that travel trillions of miles each year, star patterns would show changes in 6 months (stellar parallax). But such is not the case.

Please study the ff. image.
[Image: Flat-Earth-Memes-50-3.jpg]

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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:07 PM)
Did you know that constellations have not changed in 6000 years? Considering the speeds and trajectories of stars that travel trillions of miles each year, star patterns would show changes in 6 months (stellar parallax). But such is not the case.

Please study the ff. image.
[Image: Flat-Earth-Memes-50-3.jpg]

Don't FE'rs believe the flat plane that is Earth is traveling "upward" at 32 feet per second and that is what creates gravity?
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 05:03 PM)
It all boils down to one thing with every individual: Are you rational? Or are you irrational?

If you are a FE believer, you are probably not rational.

The OP will appeal to your distrust in authority as his primary rationalism. Everything else is pure batshit loonyville.

What is rational? The point of view created by:

1. Parents
2. School
3. University
4. Friends

What is irrational? The point of view created by:

Yourself.
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beer  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:31 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 05:03 PM)
It all boils down to one thing with every individual: Are you rational? Or are you irrational?

If you are a FE believer, you are probably not rational.

The OP will appeal to your distrust in authority as his primary rationalism. Everything else is pure batshit loonyville.

What is rational? The point of view created by:

1. Parents
2. School
3. University
4. Friends

What is irrational? The point of view created by:

Yourself.

Awesome counterattack.
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