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Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Billy Ballsache
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Post: #6286
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
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beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 01:22 PM)
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 01:12 PM)
Beer with respect you are a total knobhead, how many cell towers are there within a 45 mile maximum operational distance of each other in any f*#k*ng desert, rainforest or deep jungle.

I did respect you, now i know you're just a twat.

Name specific place. We can check how many towers are there. Also, your claim about "45 mile maximum operational distance" is bollocks.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZULvo9yN5KE



Get your reading head on Beer and take a look at this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site


Check out the sections on range & line of site.


Dumbass
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
For the 100th time, why are there cell towers everywhere if satellites cover the globe like the Tholian Web Star Trek episode? GPS in the jungle, so? It's a map app in your device's system, not proof of a tin can with solar panels floating over your head. I almost saw a fist fight once on a field trip when two guys disagreed about whose gps was right.

Re: midnight sun in Antarctica. The place is under military command under the Antarctic Treaty, which controls the "icy continent." Research stations are government-run. I trust the government as far as I can throw my Obamacare penalty :(

I found this on Reddit. https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/argentin...a?month=12
It shows sunset times in Ushuaia, which is here, near the Falklands and Antarctica.
[Image: map_ushuaia0.jpg]

I'll ask Flat Earth Friends if anyone can make a meme for this. Ushuaia proves that there is no Midnight Sun in Antarctica.
Any suggestions about what else to consider? Latitude, distance?

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Post: #6288
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 02:30 PM)
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 01:22 PM)
Name specific place. We can check how many towers are there. Also, your claim about "45 mile maximum operational distance" is bollocks.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZULvo9yN5KE



Get your reading head on Beer and take a look at this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site


Check out the sections on range & line of site.


Dumbass

Check out radio signals reaching ANY point on the so called globe from a stationary point. Well, explain this.

"…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."

- A. Einstein
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beer
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
I haven't checked all the facts, but interesting anyway:

Quote:No Midnight Sun In Antarctica

Post by lizardking on Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:20 pm
Post by Admin on Mar 23, 2015 at 9:44am

The days in Antarctica are comparatively short to everywhere else on Earth, with swifter dawn and dusk periods also. From approximately May to July every year there is perpetual night and the Sun never makes it over the Antarctic horizon. They lie to us and claim Antarctica has a "midnight sun" like the Arctic, periods of many days/weeks of continuous sunlight as seen in the video above. You can find many such videos of the Arctic Midnight Sun online, but you'll only find this one following, clearly fake video of the "Antarctic Midnight Sun" full of cut scenes claiming "the Sun never sets in Antarctica" which is a total lie. The Sun is never seen directly over-head at the high-noon position in Antarctica at any time during the year. In fact it barely rises more than 20-30 degrees above the horizon daily and never stays above the horizon for anything close to 24+ hours as it does in Arctic regions:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fei0G-Umbxo

The Midnight Sun, far from being something "debunkers" could use against the flat Earth model, confirms and proves in several ways the globular model is incorrect. If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight. To see the Sun for an entire revolution on a spinning globe at a point other than the poles, you would have to be looking through miles and miles of land and sea for part of the revolution! Anyone below the 89th parallel could never witness the Sun for 72 hours, 3 whole revolutions, straight because to do so would be to assume you are somehow seeing “through the globe” and to the Sun on the other side! Since such an assumption is ridiculous, and yet the Midnight Sun can clearly be seen as low as the 65 parallel, this is another absolute proof that Earth is the flat, stationary center of the universe.

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Quote:“If the earth be a globe, at midnight the eye would have to penetrate thousands of miles of land and water even at 65 degrees North latitude, in order to see the sun at midnight. That the sun can be seen for days together in the Far North during the Northern summer, proves that there is something very seriously wrong with the globular hypothesis. Besides this how is it that the midnight sun is never seen in the south during the southern summer? Cook penetrated as far South as 71 degrees, Weddell in 1893 reached as far as 74 degrees, and Sir James C. Ross in 1841 and 1842 reached the 78th parallel, but I am not aware that any of these navigators have left it on record that the sun was seen at midnight in the south.” -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (63)

Heliocentrists also cannot explain why the Midnight Sun phenomenon is not experienced anywhere in the Southern hemisphere at any time of year. Quite to the contrary, it has been recorded by the Royal Belgian Geographical Society in “Expedition Antarctique Belge,” that during the most severe part of the Antarctic winter, from 71 degrees South latitude onwards, the sun sets on May 17th and is not seen above the horizon again until July 21st! This is completely at odds with the ball-Earth theory, but easily explained by the flat-Earth model. The Midnight Sun is seen from high altitudes in extreme Northern latitudes during Arctic summer because the Sun, at its inner-most cycle, is circling tightly enough around the polar center that it remains visible above the horizon for someone at such a vantage point. Likewise, in extreme Southern latitudes during Arctic summer, the Sun completely disappears from view for over 2 months because there at the Northern Tropic, at the inner-most arc of its boomerang journey, the Sun is circling the Northern center too tightly to be seen from the Southern circumference.

“It is evident that in the great encircling oceans of the south, and the numerous islands and parts of continents, which exist beyond that part of the earth where the sun is vertical, cannot have their days and nights, seasons, etc., precisely like those in the northern region. The north is a centre, and the south is that centre radiated or thrown out to a vast oceanic circumference, terminating in circular walls of ice, which form an impenetrable frozen barrier. Hence the phenomena referred to as existing in the north must be considerably modified in the south, For instance, the north being central, the light of the sun advancing and receding, gives long periods of alternate light and darkness at the actual centre; but in the far south, the sun, even when moving in his outer path, can only throw its light to a certain distance, beyond which there must be perpetual darkness. No evidence exists of there being long periods of light and darkness regularly alternating, as in the north. In the north, in summer-time, when the sun is moving in its inner path, the light shines continually for months together over the central region, and rapidly develops numerous forms of animal and vegetable life.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (115)

In typical reverse-engineered damage-control fashion, trying to explain away the Midnight Sun, problematic Arctic/Antarctic phenomena, and the fact that Polaris can be seen approximately 23.5 degrees South of the equator, desperate heliocentrists in the late 19th century again modified their theory to say the ball-Earth actually tilts back 23.5 degrees on its vertical axis, thus explaining away many problems in one swoop! If it simply tilted the same direction constantly, however, this would still not explain the phenomena because after 6 months of supposed orbital motion around the Sun, any amount of tilt would be perfectly opposite, thus negating their alleged explanation for Arctic/Antarctic irregularities. To account for this, heliocentrists added that the Earth also “wobbles,” in a complex combination of patterns known as, “planetary nutation,” the “Chandler wobble,” and “axial precession” which, in their vivid imaginations, somehow explains away common sense.

Common sense, however, says that if the heat of the Sun travels 93,000,000 miles to reach us, a small axial tilt and wobble, the difference of a few thousand miles, should be completely negligible. If the ball-Earth actually spun around 93,000,000 miles from the Sun, regardless of any tilt or wobble, temperature and climate the whole world over should be almost completely uniform. If the heat of the Sun truly travelled ninety-three million miles to reach Earth’s equator, the extra few thousand miles to the poles, regardless of any supposed “tilt” or “wobble,” no matter how extreme, would surely be negligible in negating such intense heat!

“The supposition that the seasons are caused by the Earth’s annual motion round the Sun at a mean distance of 92,500,000 of miles, is grotesque. According to Piazzi the size of the Sun is in proportion to the Earth, as 329,360 to 1, the diameter exceeds that of the Earth 112 times. The Earth appears, as Biot says, by this statement, ‘a mere grain of sand, as compared to the Sun.’ This enormous expanse of light focused on a rotating ‘grain of sand,’ at the distance of 93 millions of miles, would cause the same season throughout it. The paltry few miles, in comparison that separates London from Cape Town could never cause diverse seasons, neither would the distance from London to the Riviera justify the difference in the climate that characterizes the two places.” -E. Eschini, “Foundations of Many Generations” (7)

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Quote:Common sense also says if the Earth were actually a ball spinning daily with uniform speed around the Sun, there should be exactly 12 hour days and 12 hour nights everywhere all year round! The great variety in length of days and nights throughout the year all over Earth testifies to the fact that we do not live on a spinning ball-planet. There cannot exist phenomena such as this on a globe, nor the Midnight Sun, nor anything like Antarctic winter where the Sun is nowhere to be found for over 2 months per year!

“The theory of the rotation of the earth may once and for all be definitely disposed of as impracticable by pointing out the following inadvertence. It is said that the rotation takes twenty-four hours and that its speed is uniform, in which case, necessarily, days and nights should have an identical duration of twelve hours each all the year round. The sun should invariably rise in the morning and set in the evening at the same hours, with the result that it would be the equinox every day from the 1st of January to the 31st of December. One should stop and reflect on this before saying that the earth has a movement of rotation. How does the system of gravitation account for the seasonal variations in the lengths of days and nights if the earth rotates at a uniform speed in twenty-four hours!?” -Gabrielle Henriet, “Heaven and Earth” (10)

http://ifers.123.st/t68-no-midnight-sun-in-antarctica

"…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."

- A. Einstein
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Billy Ballsache
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Post: #6290
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 02:48 PM)
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 02:30 PM)
Get your reading head on Beer and take a look at this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site


Check out the sections on range & line of site.


Dumbass

Check out radio signals reaching ANY point on the so called globe from a stationary point. Well, explain this.



We are not talking about radio signals Beer, we are talking about the fact that Grav made the claim that satellites do not exist & GPS works through the use of cell towers.
Cell phones do have built in GPS that works via cell towers, however outside of tower radius or if line of sight problems are encountered that signal will no longer work and the GPS functionality will fail.

A dedicated GPS receiver works via satellite which enables it to function in all the places a cell does BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY everwhere that a cell cannot.

The same principle applies to SATELLITE phones.

http://www.vizocomsat.com/blog/differenc...te-phones/


chuckle
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beer
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:00 PM)
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 02:48 PM)
Check out radio signals reaching ANY point on the so called globe from a stationary point. Well, explain this.



We are not talking about radio signals Beer, we are talking about the fact that Grav made the claim that satellites do not exist & GPS works through the use of cell towers.
Cell phones do have built in GPS that works via cell towers, however outside of tower radius or if line of sight problems are encountered that signal will no longer work and the GPS functionality will fail.

A dedicated GPS receiver works via satellite which enables it to function in all the places a cell does BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY everwhere that a cell cannot.

The same principle applies to SATELLITE phones.

http://www.vizocomsat.com/blog/differenc...te-phones/


chuckle

But the Earth seems flat anyway, regardless of how the GPS actually works. And that's the point of the whole thread.

"…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."

- A. Einstein
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:00 PM)
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 02:48 PM)
Check out radio signals reaching ANY point on the so called globe from a stationary point. Well, explain this.



We are not talking about radio signals Beer, we are talking about the fact that Grav made the claim that satellites do not exist & GPS works through the use of cell towers.
Cell phones do have built in GPS that works via cell towers, however outside of tower radius or if line of sight problems are encountered that signal will no longer work and the GPS functionality will fail.

A dedicated GPS receiver works via satellite which enables it to function in all the places a cell does BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY everwhere that a cell cannot.

The same principle applies to SATELLITE phones.

http://www.vizocomsat.com/blog/differenc...te-phones/


chuckle

time would be better spent watching paint dry than trying to get these particular "people" to admit they're wrong about ANYTHING.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:09 PM)
time would be better spent watching paint dry than trying to get these particular "people" to admit they're wrong about ANYTHING.

Then go watch paint drying. I can prove you wrong on this too, BTW.

"…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."

- A. Einstein
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:05 PM)
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:00 PM)
We are not talking about radio signals Beer, we are talking about the fact that Grav made the claim that satellites do not exist & GPS works through the use of cell towers.
Cell phones do have built in GPS that works via cell towers, however outside of tower radius or if line of sight problems are encountered that signal will no longer work and the GPS functionality will fail.

A dedicated GPS receiver works via satellite which enables it to function in all the places a cell does BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY everwhere that a cell cannot.

The same principle applies to SATELLITE phones.

http://www.vizocomsat.com/blog/differenc...te-phones/


chuckle

But the Earth seems flat anyway, regardless of how the GPS actually works. And that's the point of the whole thread.

Just like a straw seems to bend in a glass of water.
It doesn't but it can look like it does.
The willfull resistance to any data that demonstrates what is is different than what it seems is the core of FE.
"Looks like" for the shallow minded.
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Post: #6295
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:05 PM)
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:00 PM)
We are not talking about radio signals Beer, we are talking about the fact that Grav made the claim that satellites do not exist & GPS works through the use of cell towers.
Cell phones do have built in GPS that works via cell towers, however outside of tower radius or if line of sight problems are encountered that signal will no longer work and the GPS functionality will fail.

A dedicated GPS receiver works via satellite which enables it to function in all the places a cell does BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY everwhere that a cell cannot.

The same principle applies to SATELLITE phones.

http://www.vizocomsat.com/blog/differenc...te-phones/


chuckle

But the Earth seems flat anyway, regardless of how the GPS actually works. And that's the point of the whole thread.


But the fact remains that satellites (or the supposed non exsistence of) proved the earth was flat and couldn't be globular according to the pro flat Earthers of this thread. So the point of the whole thread may hang on the fact that if satellites DO exsist as is proven by dedicated GPS devices & to the detriment of cellular tower technology then the flat Earth argument is lost.


It doesn't matter if it (quote) "SEEMS FLAT ANYWAY REGARDLESS" (end quote) because if satellites do exsist, then the flat Earth cannot.

So GPS is actually a very important part of the whole thread.




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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:09 PM)
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:00 PM)
We are not talking about radio signals Beer, we are talking about the fact that Grav made the claim that satellites do not exist & GPS works through the use of cell towers.
Cell phones do have built in GPS that works via cell towers, however outside of tower radius or if line of sight problems are encountered that signal will no longer work and the GPS functionality will fail.

A dedicated GPS receiver works via satellite which enables it to function in all the places a cell does BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY everwhere that a cell cannot.

The same principle applies to SATELLITE phones.

http://www.vizocomsat.com/blog/differenc...te-phones/


chuckle

time would be better spent watching paint dry than trying to get these particular "people" to admit they're wrong about ANYTHING.

I'm hearing ya.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
At what height (elevation) does 'gravity' not exist?
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:51 AM)
5. Scientific experiment proves FE:

This water surface laser measurement was done at lake Balaton in Hungary

Quote:We did 4 measurements on the 15th and 16th of August 2016.
The measurements are shown in pictures / videos and the 4th measurement is evaluated in this movie.
Quote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNEUOnlcIAQ




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw

Download measurement pictures here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0...mIxbXU4bVk

Download pictures here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2gyF1...mgwZE5CUFk

Download measurement excel sheet here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2gyF1...TZfSmQ3WXc

Quote:The 4th measurement distance was 6kms (3.73 miles)
The calibration was done at a distance 720 meters (0.447 miles)
The laser was 125cms (4.1 feet) above the lake's surface.
The measurement started at 6:30AM and ended at 7:45AM
The air temperature was 17 Celsius (62 Fahrenheit), 79% humidity and the water temperature was at 22 Celsius (72 Fahrenheit).

The coordinates of the Laser and Camera were: 46.94922N 17.88929E

Laser: 3W laser – adjustable collimator – 0.08mRad divergence
Quote:Cameras: Canon 6d with GPS + Canon 650d + Nikon P900 + Samsung mobile GPS + 2x GoPro
Teleobjectives: Canon 100-400 F4.5-5.6 IS L USM optics + Canon 2X MK III extender Canon 70-200 2.8 L USM

Audio: 2x TascamDR 22WL wifi

So if you want to argue, address all my points.

That was some of the best FE Experimentation I've seen to date. Thanks for sharing it, Beer.
Has anybody come back with counter claims against their method? It looked solid to me, and they have shared all their measurements and calculations for others to look at...
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Billy Ballsache  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:19 PM)
beer  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:05 PM)
But the Earth seems flat anyway, regardless of how the GPS actually works. And that's the point of the whole thread.


But the fact remains that satellites (or the supposed non exsistence of) proved the earth was flat and couldn't be globular according to the pro flat Earthers of this thread. So the point of the whole thread may hang on the fact that if satellites DO exsist as is proven by dedicated GPS devices & to the detriment of cellular tower technology then the flat Earth argument is lost.


It doesn't matter if it (quote) "SEEMS FLAT ANYWAY REGARDLESS" (end quote) because if satellites do exsist, then the flat Earth cannot.

So GPS is actually a very important part of the whole thread.




facepalm


Bsflag

I know it's hard to grasp, but at least try

https://youtu.be/JiCqA7HdwsM?t=20m28s

That's JUST ONE explanation. It's not a proof and I wouldn't claim it is, but is enough to refute your claim that: "if satellites do exsist, then the flat Earth cannot."

*EDIT: WRONG MARK, NOW FIXED

"…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."

- A. Einstein
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Fut004  Wrote: (07-17-2017 03:24 PM)
That was some of the best FE Experimentation I've seen to date. Thanks for sharing it, Beer.
Has anybody come back with counter claims against their method? It looked solid to me, and they have shared all their measurements and calculations for others to look at...

You're welcome! Heartflowers

Nobody even tried to argue or offer any counter-arguments. They just ignore it.

"…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."

- A. Einstein
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