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Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Dr. FEEL
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Post: #61
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
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It all boils down to one thing with every individual: Are you rational? Or are you irrational?

If you are a FE believer, you are probably not rational.

The OP will appeal to your distrust in authority as his primary rationalism. Everything else is pure batshit loonyville.

What is rational? The point of view created by:

1. Parents
2. School
3. University
4. Friends

What is irrational? The point of view created by:

Yourself.

Its funny how the FE can be allowed back and pinned after the suggestion thread.

But a Nobody thread, no way they are not that desperate for traffic and donations.

Rational or irrational, or just plain Lunacy, chuckle
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Post: #62
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Wolf Pup  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:25 PM)
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:07 PM)
Did you know that constellations have not changed in 6000 years? Considering the speeds and trajectories of stars that travel trillions of miles each year, star patterns would show changes in 6 months (stellar parallax). But such is not the case.

Please study the ff. image.
[Image: Flat-Earth-Memes-50-3.jpg]

Don't FE'rs believe the flat plane that is Earth is traveling "upward" at 32 feet per second and that is what creates gravity?

Not at all. This idea comes from The Flat Earth Society, which almost no real FEer subscribes to. The earth is stationary. It lies in a flat universe, which has become a standard theory in modern physics. My best guess us that we live on a vast irregular plane covered with one or more domes. The first one is at 62 miles, the Karman line where air pressure is null.
A second one exists between 3000 to 4000 miles, under which the sun and moon circuit in electromagnetic levitation.
The third one is 7200 miles up, where stars are embedded. This top layer moves like a turbine, generating electricity which earth absorbs as a type of battery.

Would I bet the farm on any of this? No, but it makes better sense than a spinning ball in a vacuum.

As for gravity, it is not a force. It is a property of matter. It is a specific ration of densities of adjacent substances. A cork is denser than air, so it "falls." A cork is less dense than water, so it floats. Clouds are less dense than air, so they float. etc. We don't know what is below the surface of earth beyond 7.5 miles. Density becomes so great that drill bits can't penetrate whatevwr is down there.

Illegitimi non carborundum, platygaeanae!
Learn to love your servitude...Aldous Huxley
"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782
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Post: #63
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:07 PM)
Did you know that constellations have not changed in 6000 years? Considering the speeds and trajectories of stars that travel trillions of miles each year, star patterns would show changes in 6 months (stellar parallax). But such is not the case.

Please study the ff. image.
link to image: http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uplo...s-50-3.jpg

Yes there is a reason why we 'do not know this'.


A very very good reason.


For one were you aware that the North Star is not our only pole star?

Back in the BC days the star Thuban in Draco was our pole star.

We have a few. Plus the precession of the stars throughout the year as to which constellation rises first blah blah.

There is this wonderful thing called astronomy that catalogues these observances. yeah3
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Post: #64
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:53 PM)
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:07 PM)
Did you know that constellations have not changed in 6000 years? Considering the speeds and trajectories of stars that travel trillions of miles each year, star patterns would show changes in 6 months (stellar parallax). But such is not the case.

Please study the ff. image.
link to image: http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uplo...s-50-3.jpg

Yes there is a reason why we 'do not know this'.


A very very good reason.


For one were you aware that the North Star is not our only pole star?

Back in the BC days the star Thuban in Draco was our pole star.

We have a few. Plus the precession of the stars throughout the year as to which constellation rises first blah blah.

There is this wonderful thing called astronomy that catalogues these observances. yeah3

So how does astronomy justify selenelions, which dedicated astronomers have observed?
Astronomy also loses sight of comets, for example, Comet ISON years ago.
And how does astronomy allow earth's atmosphere to not dissipate in the utter vacuum of space? In one fell swoosh, it should be gone.

Illegitimi non carborundum, platygaeanae!
Learn to love your servitude...Aldous Huxley
"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782
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Post: #65
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
You know, sometimes the globalists have no weapon left, short of actual firearms and explosives, but to call FEs names and fling labels in exasperation.

Do I know the hamburger, that quintessential lunch food I so love? Yes, I've experienced it.

Do I know the car, that machine with four wheels (well, usually) that takes me and my passengers down this freeway and up that hill, and round this mountain and by that lake? Yes, I've experienced using a car.

Do I know the earth the same way I know my burger and my car? Well, I know various soils, I've tasted a range of waters, I've breathed air in valleys and on high ground, I've experienced the heat of the sun, the scents of rain and how they differ, the many climates of so many regions, and the changing of seasons and the transition of night to day and back again.

Is my experience of the earth enough to tell me that the earth is a sphere? No.

If your experience of the earth is similar to mine, where have you found the authority to say that you know the earth to be spherical?

Have you looked upon the Earth from space? Have you test-fired rockets and streamed live footage of the feat of breaking into space, and filming the ball earth therefore? Have you broken free of orbit, spacewalked away and looked back to marvel at the big, blue marble, happy that what you see before you is too big and too real to fake?

I know the Constitution governs our lives, because I can partake of it, affirm and reaffirm it with people around me, and enact it for my own life. I know my burger is real, because I can partake of it, people around me have labored quite visibly to produce it and serve it to me, and I feel it sliding down my throat and satiating my hunger.

I do not know a sphere governs our lives. A ball earth has not made itself apparent to me. I partake of the earth, and there is nothing in this consumption to suggest a sphere. People around me tell me the earth is round, not because they have experienced its spherical nature, but because the textbooks say it's a sphere. The information that the earth is a ball has no usefulness in our lives; everything we experience in this realm is diametrically disconnected from the idea of a ball earth.

So, tell me, where have you found the authority to defend the sphere as truth?
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Post: #66
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 04:21 PM)
Bumps are muchly appreciated, but . . . please see the part in my OP that asks for evidence to support a debate position. You lost one (1) debate point for your failure to bolster your opinion.
This following bit of evidence is what I asked for, in every post, a piece of the puzzle, pro or con.
The animation comes from Nasa. It has multiple flaws. Can you spot them? I can enumerate them in another post. I do so to discredit the prime authority on current cosmology.




Where is the geomagnetic south pole?
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Post: #67
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:53 PM)
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:07 PM)
Did you know that constellations have not changed in 6000 years? Considering the speeds and trajectories of stars that travel trillions of miles each year, star patterns would show changes in 6 months (stellar parallax). But such is not the case.

Please study the ff. image.
link to image: http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uplo...s-50-3.jpg

Yes there is a reason why we 'do not know this'.


A very very good reason.


For one were you aware that the North Star is not our only pole star?

Back in the BC days the star Thuban in Draco was our pole star.

We have a few. Plus the precession of the stars throughout the year as to which constellation rises first blah blah.

There is this wonderful thing called astronomy that catalogues these observances. yeah3

If this is true, I would like to see some info to back it up.
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05-08-2017 07:31 PM

 



Post: #68
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
If we were on a globe and the stars were all very far away but some were much farther away than others, they would appear to pass overhead at different speeds just as the trees nearest the road appear to travel past the car window faster than the ones that are farther away while traveling on the hightway.

Instead of this we observe all of the stars passing over head at exactly the same speed as if they are all the same distance away from us.
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Post: #69
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:00 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:53 PM)
Yes there is a reason why we 'do not know this'.


A very very good reason.


For one were you aware that the North Star is not our only pole star?

Back in the BC days the star Thuban in Draco was our pole star.

We have a few. Plus the precession of the stars throughout the year as to which constellation rises first blah blah.

There is this wonderful thing called astronomy that catalogues these observances. yeah3

So how does astronomy justify selenelions, which dedicated astronomers have observed?
Astronomy also loses sight of comets, for example, Comet ISON years ago.
And how does astronomy allow earth's atmosphere to not dissipate in the utter vacuum of space? In one fell swoosh, it should be gone.

As far as the yearly precession of the constellations and the motions of the moon and planets, the babylonians documented their movements extremely accurately according to modern observances. The reason they were so accurate was that they did not try and fit all phenomenoms into a single model. They were pragmatic and just charted observances.

That being said - outside of comets and selenlions - there is more than enough mundane repeatable cycles (i.e the planets, moon, sun and constellations) that portend a heliocentric view.

This is a great link here. yeah3

http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb2c.html
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Post: #70
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:33 PM)
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:00 PM)
So how does astronomy justify selenelions, which dedicated astronomers have observed?
Astronomy also loses sight of comets, for example, Comet ISON years ago.
And how does astronomy allow earth's atmosphere to not dissipate in the utter vacuum of space? In one fell swoosh, it should be gone.

As far as the yearly precession of the constellations and the motions of the moon and planets, the babylonians documented their movements extremely accurately according to modern observances. The reason they were so accurate was that they did not try and fit all phenomenoms into a single model. They were pragmatic and just charted observances.

That being said - outside of comets and selenlions - there is more than enough mundane repeatable cycles (i.e the planets, moon, sun and constellations) that portend a heliocentric view.

This is a great link here. yeah3

http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb2c.html

The problem arises when all of those repeating cycles are explained just as well on a flat earth model. There must be evidence that fits one model only for it to be of any use in such a debate.

Such as this:
Quote:If we were on a globe and the stars were all very far away but some were much farther away than others, they would appear to pass overhead at different speeds just as the trees nearest the road appear to travel past the car window faster than the ones that are farther away while traveling on the highway.

Instead of this we observe all of the stars passing over head at exactly the same speed as if they are all the same distance away from us.
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Post: #71
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:27 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 06:53 PM)
Yes there is a reason why we 'do not know this'.


A very very good reason.


For one were you aware that the North Star is not our only pole star?

Back in the BC days the star Thuban in Draco was our pole star.

We have a few. Plus the precession of the stars throughout the year as to which constellation rises first blah blah.

There is this wonderful thing called astronomy that catalogues these observances. yeah3

If this is true, I would like to see some info to back it up.

Due to the precession of Earth's rotational axis, Thuban was the naked-eye star closest to the north pole from 3942 BC, when it moved farther north than Theta Boötis, until 1793 BC, when it was superseded by Kappa Draconis. It was closest to the pole in 2830 BC, when it was less than ten arc-minutes away from the pole.[14] It remained within one degree of true north for nearly 200 years afterwards, and even 900 years after its closest approach, was just five degrees off the pole. Thuban was considered the pole star until about 1900 BC, when the much brighter Beta Ursae Minoris (Kochab) began to approach the pole as well.

Having gradually drifted away from the pole over the last 4,800 years, Thuban is now seen in the night sky at a declination of 64° 20' 45.6", RA 14h 04m 33.58s. After moving nearly 47 degrees off the pole by 10000 AD, Thuban will gradually move back toward the north celestial pole. In 20346 AD, it will again be the pole star, that year reaching a maximum declination of 88° 43' 17.3", RA 19h 08m 54.17s.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuban

In classical antiquity, Beta Ursae Minoris (Kochab) was closer to the celestial north pole than Alpha Ursae Minoris. While there was no naked-eye star close to the pole, the mid-point between Alpha and Beta Ursae Minoris was reasonably close to the pole, and it appears that the entire constellation of Ursa Minor, in antiquity known as Cynosura (Greek Κυνοσούρα "dog's tail") was used as indicating the northern direction for the purposes of navigation by the Phoenicians.[1] The ancient name of Ursa Minor, anglicized as cynosure, has since itself become a term for "guiding principle" after the constellation's use in navigation.

Alpha Ursae Minoris (Polaris) was described as ἀειφανής "always visible" by Stobaeus in the 5th century, when it was still removed from the celestial pole by about 8°. It was known as scip-steorra ("ship-star") in 10th-century Anglo-Saxon England, reflecting its use in navigation. At around the same time, in the Hindu Puranas, it became personified under the name Dhruva ("immovable, fixed").

In the medieval period, Polaris was also known as stella maris "star of the sea" (from its use for navigation at sea), as in e.g. Bartholomeus Anglicus (d. 1272), in the translation of John Trevisa (1397):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_star
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Post: #72
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
Earth is flat.

5*

Look into my eyes to see a Paradise of Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtHu0XFal0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7PY4vbQLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm9ui-26F0
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Post: #73
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:46 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:33 PM)
As far as the yearly precession of the constellations and the motions of the moon and planets, the babylonians documented their movements extremely accurately according to modern observances. The reason they were so accurate was that they did not try and fit all phenomenoms into a single model. They were pragmatic and just charted observances.

That being said - outside of comets and selenlions - there is more than enough mundane repeatable cycles (i.e the planets, moon, sun and constellations) that portend a heliocentric view.

This is a great link here. yeah3

http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb2c.html

The problem arises when all of those repeating cycles are explained just as well on a flat earth model. There must be evidence that fits one model only for it to be of any use in such a debate.

Such as this:
Quote:If we were on a globe and the stars were all very far away but some were much farther away than others, they would appear to pass overhead at different speeds just as the trees nearest the road appear to travel past the car window faster than the ones that are farther away while traveling on the highway.

Instead of this we observe all of the stars passing over head at exactly the same speed as if they are all the same distance away from us.

Moon cycles and eclipses fail a flat earth test.
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RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:33 PM)
grav  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:00 PM)
So how does astronomy justify selenelions, which dedicated astronomers have observed?
Astronomy also loses sight of comets, for example, Comet ISON years ago.
And how does astronomy allow earth's atmosphere to not dissipate in the utter vacuum of space? In one fell swoosh, it should be gone.

As far as the yearly precession of the constellations and the motions of the moon and planets, the babylonians documented their movements extremely accurately according to modern observances. The reason they were so accurate was that they did not try and fit all phenomenoms into a single model. They were pragmatic and just charted observances.

That being said - outside of comets and selenlions - there is more than enough mundane repeatable cycles (i.e the planets, moon, sun and constellations) that portend a heliocentric view.

This is a great link here. yeah3

http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb2c.html

Printing a theory in a textbook does not make it fact. Saying that cycles are the result of mundane cycles is hearsay, with Authority as the arbiter of truth. We should never take any hierarchy as truthful, whether it be religion or science or history. But I repeat myself. The Church became the boss of us all hundreds of years ago. We eat, drink, and poo their propaganda.

Well, some of us have broken away from the sheeple herd.

How, for instance, can I see craters on the moon with my bare eyes, and pretty damn close up with binoculars and my cheapo telescope? I can't, not if the moon is about 240,000 miles away. What zoom lens can focus at that distance? Apparently my lenses have 200,000X skills!

And how about Hubble the super-telescope that is 380 miles up and somehow moves around in a space vacuum. So how does that work? No air pressure to thrust against.

What a goof I was to believe that status quo sci-fi garbage for so long.

Illegitimi non carborundum, platygaeanae!
Learn to love your servitude...Aldous Huxley
"Everything You Know Is Wrong," Lloyd Pye: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
Conspiracy writers and sites: http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=454782
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Post: #75
RE: Dedicated Flat Earth Thread,
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:59 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-08-2017 07:46 PM)
The problem arises when all of those repeating cycles are explained just as well on a flat earth model. There must be evidence that fits one model only for it to be of any use in such a debate.

Such as this:

Moon cycles and eclipses fail a flat earth test.

How so?

Well since there are sometimes lunar eclipses while the sun and moon are both fully visible at the same time, I would say that lunar eclipses disprove the globe model.
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