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BREAKING: Sweden drops case against assange
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05-20-2017 08:00 AM

 



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RE: BREAKING: Sweden drops case against assange
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Lunababy  Wrote: (05-20-2017 05:36 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-20-2017 02:32 AM)
..she was held down and forced ?

Read the articles I posted a page or two back. That is her claim. Here are three more articles that say the same thing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/world/...sange.html

The details of their sexual encounter that night were redacted from the copy of the police report obtained by The Times. But The Guardian reported Saturday that Ms. A told the police that Mr. Assange had stroked her leg, then pulled off her clothes and snapped her necklace. The report quotes her as saying that she “tried to put on some articles of clothing as it was going too quickly and uncomfortably but Assange ripped them off again.”

According to The Guardian, Ms. A told the police that Mr. Assange pinned her arms and legs to stop her from reaching for a condom. Eventually one was used — but, she told her police interviewer, he appeared to have “done something” with it, resulting in its tearing.

Julian Assange accusers felt trapped, prosecutors claim
Two women who accuse WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sexual assault did not freely consent to his advances but felt “trapped” into “submitting to his will”, it has been claimed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...claim.html
Mr Assange is alleged to have lain on top of one woman and held her arms, preventing her reaching for contraception, while attempting to have unprotected sex with her during a stay in her flat in Sweden last year.
She later told prosecutors that after Mr Assange eventually put on protection she “let him continue” adding that she “just wanted to get it over with”, the court has heard.
Some days later Mr Assange is said to have started having unprotected sex with a second woman while she was asleep or partially asleep.
She later said that, despite her concerns about unprotected sex, she “let him continue” because she “felt it was too late”, Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Ouseley heard.
Miss Montgomery said: “They are describing circumstances in which they did not freely consent without coercion but were coerced either by physical force or by a sense of having already been trapped in a position where they had no choice and therefore submitted to Mr Assange’s intentions.

The Perils of Charging Rape
The women accusing Julian Assange of sexual assault deserve to be taken seriously.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/d..._rape.html
In the initial days after Assange's arrest, when there was little solid information beyond the tabloids about what exactly the Swedish government may charge him with, some of the reaction was perhaps understandable. To a degree, even Slate's DoubleX podcast repeated the Daily Mail's misinformation. But as of Dec. 17, there has been no excuse. At that point, the Guardian obtained the depositions taken by Swedish police from the alleged victims. In these documents, one of the women alleges that Assange behaved threateningly with her and held her down to prevent her from reaching for a condom. He did end up wearing one, but she thinks he ripped it and deliberately ejaculated inside her. He also later rubbed up against her with his pants off, she says, against her will. The other alleged victim claims that she struggled with Assange over the condom all night, had consensual sex with him when he finally put it on, and then woke up later in the night to find Assange having sex with her, without her consent and without a condom. In my personal and professional experience with rape, these kinds of allegations are both credible and common. It's a bad idea to forget that, even when the alleged bad guy is a leftist hero.

Thank you kindly.. I missed them posted before..

I still dont feel they were forced or held down in a manner that constitutes 'rape' though.. and I think it does true victims of rape a great disservice..

http://observer.com/2016/02/exclusive-ne...stockholm/

"Neither woman ever claimed, initially, that she was “raped” by Mr. Assange—rape being våldtäkt in Swedish, but both spoke of the sex being unpleasant. They both concealed their distaste for how it had transpired—that’s usually what women do. In the case of Ms. Ardin, she kept him as a houseguest for six nights after the incident, and even threw a crayfish party for him. In the case of Ms. Wilen, she and Mr. Assange, after a night of sex, joked about the broken condom, and his promise that if she got pregnant he would move to Sweden, pay off her student loans, and they “could name the baby Afghanistan.”

She then went out and bought the two of them breakfast oats and orange juice. (Ian Fleming would never have allowed any of this.)

When Ms. Ardin learned Mr. Assange had also slept with Ms. Wilen, and when he failed the golden rule of elemental post-coital communications, they locked arms and went to the police—not to charge him with rape, but to see if he could be compelled to take an HIV test, on a Saturday, in Stockholm."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...an-assange

"Whether or not Assange is guilty of sexual violence, we do not believe that is why he is being pursued. Once again women's fury and frustration at the prevalence of rape and other violence, is being used by politicians to advance their own purposes. The authorities care so little about violence against women that they manipulate rape allegations at will, usually to increase their powers, this time to facilitate Assange's extradition or even rendition to the US. That the US has not presented a demand for his extradition at this stage is no guarantee that they won't do so once he is in Sweden, and that he will not be tortured as Bradley Manning and many others, women and men, have. Women Against Rape cannot ignore this threat."

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/d...nge-sweden
"The following day, Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom".

Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no. "According to her statement, she said: 'You better not have HIV' and he answered: 'Of course not,' " but "she couldn't be bothered to tell him one more time because she had been going on about the condom all night. She had never had unprotected sex before."

"Assange's solicitor, Mark Stephens, said: "The allegations of the complainants are not credible and were dismissed by the senior Stockholm prosecutor as not worthy of further investigation." He said Miss A had sent two Twitter messages that appeared to undermine her account in the police statement.

Assange's defence team had so far been provided by prosecutors with only incomplete evidence, he said. "There are many more text and SMS messages from and to the complainants which have been shown by the assistant prosecutor to the Swedish defence lawyer, Bjorn Hurtig, which suggest motivations of malice and money in going to the police and to Espressen and raise the issue of political motivation behind the presentation of these complaints. He [Hurtig] has been precluded from making notes or copying them.

"We understand that both complainants admit to having initiated consensual sexual relations with Mr Assange. They do not complain of any physical injury. The first complainant did not make a complaint for six days (in which she hosted the respondent in her flat [actually her bed] and spoke in the warmest terms about him to her friends) until she discovered he had spent the night with the other complainant.

"The second complainant, too, failed to complain for several days until she found out about the first complainant: she claimed that after several acts of consensual sexual intercourse, she fell half asleep and thinks that he ejaculated without using a condom – a possibility about which she says they joked afterwards.

"Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him to have an STD test. However, his Swedish lawyer has been shown evidence of their text messages which indicate that they were concerned to obtain money by going to a tabloid newspaper and were motivated by other matters including a desire for revenge."


..so.. really.. as a woman.. with a legal mindset as well.. Im just not buying the rape accusation.. nor did the initial prosecutor.. or the prosecutor in charge now it seems.. probably due to the fact that the evidence simply doesnt support the allegation..
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