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Near Death Experiences - First Hand Encounters
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Bronco Bama  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:15 PM)
I see no reason to believe that NDEs are anything but a product of the mind. I don't deny that the people who experience them have been emotionally affected by them, but that's not evidence that these people have left their bodies or gone to some afterlife or whatever.

The best objection is the fact that these people claim to "see" and "hear" things while "outside" their bodies, even though seeing and hearing require eyes and ears. "Sight" is a complex process that depends on the eye to refract light that passes from the environment. Sound is a complex process requiring an ear to gather sound waves. In a very literal way, "sight" and "sound" don't exist without these organs present. It's no different than trying to run a computer program without a computer.

You think eyes and ears are doing the work when you are dreaming?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:30 PM)
You think eyes and ears are doing the work when you are dreaming?

ding!
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[quote='Bronco Bama' pid='14435264' dateline='1497802509']
I see no reason to believe that NDEs are anything but a product of the mind. I don't deny that the people who experience them have been emotionally affected by them, but that's not evidence that these people have left their bodies or gone to some afterlife or whatever.

Quote:You think eyes and ears are doing the work when you are dreaming?

Jhikpghf

and the reason you don't think it's possible is because you've never had one. There is plenty of proof that these are not just a product of the mind in accounts of people who have died and come back, describing everything that was going on in the operating room, right down to the music that was playing, while they were dead.
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Sarah  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:34 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:30 PM)
[quote='Bronco Bama' pid='14435264' dateline='1497802509']
I see no reason to believe that NDEs are anything but a product of the mind. I don't deny that the people who experience them have been emotionally affected by them, but that's not evidence that these people have left their bodies or gone to some afterlife or whatever.

Quote:You think eyes and ears are doing the work when you are dreaming?

Jhikpghf

and the reason you don't think it's possible is because you've never had one. There is plenty of proof that these are not just a product of the mind in accounts of people who have died and come back, describing everything that was going on in the operating room, right down to the music that was playing, while they were dead.

It could be products of mind because we don't really know what mind is, much less where it is or isn't.
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eclipsed  Wrote: (06-18-2017 04:37 PM)
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Unless they have nephilim blood, I doubt they where really dead. It was a trip created by their mind.

When I died, and I was dead for over an hour(California head rush stupidity), I had a death trip, given my mental state, it was of neither heaven nor hell, just a somber car ride. After that, like a VHS tape coming to an end: nothingness.

No thought's, no sounds, no feeling, no sight, nothing, yet I was able to perceive and remember the nothing.

Time, or rather the perception of time, was nonexistent. It felt like both thousands of ages(ten's of thousands of years), and mere moments. There was a flicker of light, and I felt being pulled backwards, and was alive again.

oh then you would like ETIDORHPA...it has a part about that place.
exactly as you say.
http://sacred-texts.com/earth/eti/index.htm
Having read 'ETIDORHPA" through out the years
it is quite the read
do not understand how this book deals with NDE(it does not)
seems somebody ever so often puts this book out there
unless going through the Mushroom Forest(in the book)is close to NDE?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:39 PM)
It could be products of mind because we don't really know what mind is, much less where it is or isn't.

True! But if it is a product of a non-local mind... a mind that is something independent of the human brain... then that is certainly not evidence against true NDEs but rather evidence supporting the possibility of NDEs.
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Mine was so beautiful. Perfect night, perfect weather. Start walking up toward the moon. Those ^%$! flat black pointy things shove me back in. So I am stuck with you a**holes, despite my best efforts.
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gmorning RE: Near Death Experiences - First Hand Encounters
Having one certainly changes Ones outlook .

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Heir  Wrote: (06-18-2017 07:09 PM)
Having one certainly changes Ones outlook .

Jhikpghf

People generally disbelieve anything they haven't seen proof of for themselves.
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gmorning RE: Near Death Experiences - First Hand Encounters
Sarah  Wrote: (06-19-2017 01:28 AM)
Heir  Wrote: (06-18-2017 07:09 PM)
Having one certainly changes Ones outlook .

Jhikpghf

People generally disbelieve anything they haven't seen proof of for themselves.

Indeed . Particularly something as Subjective as a NDE .

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20:10

The icky dark blackness in a void with no gravity, no light, no sound, it did have a bit of a stink but you forget really fast as you go into convulsions of horror in the absolute terror of total sensory deprivation.

Fortunately I had a time machine and a A.I. made later on and came back and ran programs on my brain to ward off death and provide sensory input when there was none.
Kind-of a catch 22 paradox where one can't follow the other, but you just have to accept beyond a certain point your life falls into someone else's hands. However after something like that it's easy to lack gratitude, that no longer existing is only the greatest horror up to the point that it might happen.

All this, here, now is the bullshit that came afterwards, simulated, artificial, and went back and invaded then supplanted anything that might have been real with what is clearly only some fabrication and not but a counterfeit of the possibility that something good may have once been yet somehow has slipped from the grasp, gone, forgotten, destroyed, and held prisoner to this abomination of life and Love, since, there is no real escape from the icky-black darkness.
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Sarah  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:34 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:30 PM)
[quote='Bronco Bama' pid='14435264' dateline='1497802509']
I see no reason to believe that NDEs are anything but a product of the mind. I don't deny that the people who experience them have been emotionally affected by them, but that's not evidence that these people have left their bodies or gone to some afterlife or whatever.

Quote:You think eyes and ears are doing the work when you are dreaming?

Jhikpghf

and the reason you don't think it's possible is because you've never had one. There is plenty of proof that these are not just a product of the mind in accounts of people who have died and come back, describing everything that was going on in the operating room, right down to the music that was playing, while they were dead.

They aren't called death experiences because anyone being honest has to admit they people never die.
Theyre near death experiences.
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gmorning RE: Near Death Experiences - First Hand Encounters
Richard Eby's accounts were sure interesting . Coroner stitching up His head wound to save the Mortician the trouble with rigored flesh and all .

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 01:50 AM)
They aren't called death experiences because anyone being honest has to admit they people never die.
Theyre near death experiences.

They were dead according to our current definition of dead, i.e., no heartbeat and no respirations. Maybe the word death needs to be redefined.
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Sarah
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So. If not dead, where do these people go for 15 hours after doctors gave up?

Why waking up in a morgue isn’t quite as unusual as you’d think
Carla Valentine

In Poland, a 91-year-old woman has shocked her family – and the public at large – by waking up in a morgue after being refrigerated having been declared dead. Despite 11 hours of cold storage, Janina Kolkiewicz was discovered to be alive and well after mortuary staff detected movements in her body bag. Speaking as an anatomical pathology technologist (or mortuary technician) I can thankfully say that has never happened to me when I’ve been on duty.

But it does happen.

In January this year a 24-year-old Kenyan man, Paul Mutora, was pronounced dead after swallowing insecticide; 15 hours later he woke up in a morgue, causing staff to “take to their heels, screaming”. In March, Walter Williams, a 78-year-old man, was found alive and literally kicking in a body bag at a funeral home in Mississippi. The discovery came as staff were preparing to embalm his body, so he was just spared the gruesome fate of having an artery sliced open and his blood replaced with formaldehyde to preserve his tissues – a process I’m certain some Hollywood stars will eventually adopt in order to stay youthful.

Williams had been declared dead as he had “no pulse”, but it was just a few hours later that he began kicking in the embalming room, causing staff to immediately call an ambulance.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...kolkiewicz
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