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USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
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Post: #16
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
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Nothing a collision warning system, could have avoided. Still, no reason why someone couldn't have seen or heard something. Between this, and the Donald Cook incident. I'm beginning to wonder, if we really do have high tech equiptment.
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Post: #17
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
The Ghost of ULP  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:42 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:39 PM)
That the US destroyer wasn't made to park a 30,000 ton cargo carring ship on top of and that you have a very weak to non-existant understanding of physics.

I give you half of that statement. But still does not say why with this day and age with all the tech you don't see a cargo ship coming at you.

Now you're moving the goalpost.

What the damage says is that 30,000 tons in motion has a huge amount of energy and is not the sort of force the side of a US destroyer is capable of handling.

Why or how it happened are irrelevant regarding the fact that the damage is consistent with all the known qualities of steel under pressure.
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Post: #18
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:57 PM)
Nothing a collision warning system, could have avoided. Still, no reason why someone couldn't have seen or heard something. Between this, and the Donald Cook incident. I'm beginning to wonder, if we really do have high tech equiptment.

Radar cloaking, remote control. Who's knows what tech is out there. But there are also military satellites, you'd think they would have noticed a potential collision.
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Post: #19
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
Damn.

Are our destroyers made in China now or what?
Looks cheap.
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Post: #20
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
our destroyers are built light to jump out of the way of incidents.odds are they were having an drunkin orgy on board and not at the helm.
we traded armor for speed.ask how bow shaped boats get back to port,lol,at 3 knots is how!
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Post: #21
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
The Ghost of ULP  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:35 PM)
Hamburgerwagon  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:34 PM)
Looks like the ship that hit it was much larger.

Jhikpghf What does this tell us about the steel and construction ?

Bow of the huge cargo ship that hit the Fitz.

[Image: 417B7C2600000578-4612334-image-a-22_1497663237784.jpg]

The anchor may have done most of the damage. It is made of a thicker steel (maybe a different denser metal).

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Post: #22
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
The Ghost of ULP  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:44 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:43 PM)
In other words, Iran could sink them in a second.

Bump Or any other country for that matter if we get into a huge war situation.

Hold on a second Math will help us here .
Kinetic energy 101.


Ship hit was 5 times smaller and should have been cut in halve by my figuring. but it was not so it was built very very well.

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Post: #23
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
agreed,if folks knew ,that boat should have sunk.
imagine getting tboned and the ship dont stop because its like a train.trains dont stop on dimes.that boat was turned sideways into a bow plane snowplow.water poured over the whole thing.it was literally a submarine for close to ten minutes or longer and on its side.
i want to give a shout out to the engineers!
robo tips his hat to yall! GOOD JOB ON THE ENGINEERING !
now its time for some fellows to be relieved of their commissions.im not a supporter of jail time since we aint technically at war.not publically anyways.we all screw up.we are humans not robots!
my heart goes out to the families.
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Post: #24
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 11:30 PM)
Damn.

Are our destroyers made in China now or what?
Looks cheap.

That is what we are all wondering.....

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RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 11:40 PM)
our destroyers are built light to jump out of the way of incidents.odds are they were having an drunkin orgy on board and not at the helm.
we traded armor for speed.ask how bow shaped boats get back to port,lol,at 3 knots is how!

This is like not having deflector shields up....

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RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 09:52 PM)
No excuse for this "accident" with all the high tech radar, Etc. this sh*t shouldn't have happened. I'm really concerned about our abilities now.

loong live the Gregory Cousins* school of Navigation Jhikpghf

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RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
https://americanboating.org/bigger_on_the_water.asp

Quote:The law, which is more common sense then explicitly written in the code, goes like this: "The heavier vessel always has the right-of-way."

So, anyway...
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Post: #28
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-20-2017 12:34 AM)
https://americanboating.org/bigger_on_the_water.asp

Quote:The law, which is more common sense then explicitly written in the code, goes like this: "The heavier vessel always has the right-of-way."

So, anyway...

Also, the USS Fitz was struck on the port side.
http://www.dummies.com/sports/following-...ing-rules/
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Post: #29
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-20-2017 12:44 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-20-2017 12:34 AM)
https://americanboating.org/bigger_on_the_water.asp


So, anyway...

Also, the USS Fitz was struck on the port side.
http://www.dummies.com/sports/following-...ing-rules/

Quote:The other vessel’s on the right: It’s the privileged or stand-on vessel and you must let it pass in front of you.
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Post: #30
RE: USS Fitzgerald: If ramming does this much damage to the steel God forbid a torpedo
It's a simple physics issue, looks like the impact caused an initial roll-in to the point of impact (ship listed), lack of a "sheer line" ( where the impacted vessel is moving lateral to the other ship) indicates the Destroyers was in beginning thrust deployment, or a geosynchronous position (still or "all stop"), lack of deeper impact compression of the deck to below water line indicates (on first rough analysis) that the anchor had not been deployed by the destroyer, allowing the more massive vessel to literally "push" the destroyer at a heavy list to starboard, further losing counter kinetic resistance..

The larger vessel literally "pushed" the destroyer forward, most damage looks to be because of the initial impacts listing..

Angle indicated that the destroyer "might" have been trying to turn hard starboard just before impact to "lose some paint", but obviously was far too little, and far too late..

The deck has a total inclination toward impact (lots of dry dock time now), because at least two lower decks have been compressed down at initial impact...

Not a true "T-Bone" event (destroyer would have been taking on water, forcing an abandon ship if that had been the case..)

Final theory/Analysis?..

Both parties were caught napping..

The larger ship is at fault, it's inboard systems would have detected the destroyer much sooner if the position at the helm was being occupied properly), and a Fault of the captain of the destroyer (both captains BTW)..

Because who he left in charge underestimated the propensity for civilians to "act accordingly" and yield way..

A large cargo moving at full speed, will still look like it is barely moving when looking at the bow coming toward you..


Verdict?..

"MISCOMMUNICATION ON BOTH PARTIES"...
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