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We BREXIT we got a STRONG £
Hollow Closet Dweller
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Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-15-2017 10:50 PM)
Your English chrries are picked by EU citizens, they are leaving. You won't go and pick cherries, not at all and certainly not at the wage said Europeans citizens were recieving.

"We buy more from the EU than the EU countries buy from us across the board. "

That statement hardly means they will keep prices as they are.. if true, which I don't think it is, the UK needs them more than they need the UK.. i.e. they can charge more and you will have to pay..

Do you understand the premise? I don't think you do.

Let me explain.

A company in France is in France, which is part of the EU. The UK when leaving can't trade directly with that company in France, because France is part of the EU. The UK will have to pay a tariff to buy the good from that company in France because france is part of the EU and the UK won't be.

The UK will pay tarrifs on any good from any company in any EU country. The UK can't deal directly with a company in an EU country... You seem to think they can?!?!?!

Am I clear,?

The tarrifs will mean it is more expensive to import into the UK..

They EU CAN and WILL dictate to those countrys companies because they are part of the EU..

Respond please because you are so misinformed.. I need to help you understand buddy..

Jptdknpa

Get it through your thick head, we ain't paying any tariffs.

You will.

But that's not the point the only point. Companies that sell from EU will face these same tarrifs. Hence they will charge more. You truly don't understand any of this.

A company in EU cannot decide to sell to a given country willy Billy. They must pay tax. That's what a tarrifs is.

And how can you say UK won't pay tarrifs?
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Post: #32
RE: We BREXIT we got a STRONG £
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-15-2017 11:54 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-15-2017 11:51 PM)
Jacob Rees-Mogg MP: Boris Johnson's 'go whistle' comment was "brilliant".





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WP-Hf4OKmk

In international law we don't have to give the EU a single penny.

Jhikpghf

Lol. Rees mogg a mega anti EU fan boy, part of the political elite, part of the same elite as the Johnsons of the world, a guy that wanted to be in charge of the treasury select committee and said his Somerset capitalal management company wasn't a conflict of interest. He will be a chap that will make money from the whole hard brexit scenario. So you can't listen to him and believe him.

Would you believe anything Johnsons says, like the NHS monies etc. They say what they say cause they are self serving.. not because there is any truth.

You're a fool of you believe them.

UK will pay tarrifs. UK will pay at least 50billion to leave the EU.

Let's keep this thread going so I can update you about it when the actual facts are spelt out. The gov has already conceded that a hard brexit cannot happen, that money will be paid and that the UK cannot avoid paying what is owed.

Brexit was a mistake. You will suffer in one way or another. We all will, but I may take my family away anyway. Brexit has just created nationalism, which is a bad thing for an island nation.
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Post: #33
RE: We BREXIT we got a STRONG £
Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 12:38 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-15-2017 11:54 PM)
In international law we don't have to give the EU a single penny.

Jhikpghf

Lol. Rees mogg a mega anti EU fan boy, part of the political elite, part of the same elite as the Johnsons of the world, a guy that wanted to be in charge of the treasury select committee and said his Somerset capitalal management company wasn't a conflict of interest. He will be a chap that will make money from the whole hard brexit scenario. So you can't listen to him and believe him.

Would you believe anything Johnsons says, like the NHS monies etc. They say what they say cause they are self serving.. not because there is any truth.

You're a fool of you believe them.

UK will pay tarrifs. UK will pay at least 50billion to leave the EU.

Let's keep this thread going so I can update you about it when the actual facts are spelt out. The gov has already conceded that a hard brexit cannot happen, that money will be paid and that the UK cannot avoid paying what is owed.

Brexit was a mistake. You will suffer in one way or another. We all will, but I may take my family away anyway. Brexit has just created nationalism, which is a bad thing for an island nation.

NO

The BRITS are winding everyone up and in the meantime, companies are having discussions outside of the EU and EU companies have already said they're happy to do business outside of the EU membership.

Lmao
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Post: #34
RE: We BREXIT we got a STRONG £
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-16-2017 01:03 AM)
Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 12:38 AM)
Lol. Rees mogg a mega anti EU fan boy, part of the political elite, part of the same elite as the Johnsons of the world, a guy that wanted to be in charge of the treasury select committee and said his Somerset capitalal management company wasn't a conflict of interest. He will be a chap that will make money from the whole hard brexit scenario. So you can't listen to him and believe him.

Would you believe anything Johnsons says, like the NHS monies etc. They say what they say cause they are self serving.. not because there is any truth.

You're a fool of you believe them.

UK will pay tarrifs. UK will pay at least 50billion to leave the EU.

Let's keep this thread going so I can update you about it when the actual facts are spelt out. The gov has already conceded that a hard brexit cannot happen, that money will be paid and that the UK cannot avoid paying what is owed.

Brexit was a mistake. You will suffer in one way or another. We all will, but I may take my family away anyway. Brexit has just created nationalism, which is a bad thing for an island nation.

NO

The BRITS are winding everyone up and in the meantime, companies are having discussions outside of the EU and EU companies have already said they're happy to do business outside of the EU membership.

Lmao

Why are you laughing? It can't happen. EU companies cannot do business with UK outside of EU red tape. It fundamentally can't happen, unless those companies leave the EU countries in which they currently operate. How can you not get your head around that?
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Post: #35
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Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 01:10 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-16-2017 01:03 AM)
NO

The BRITS are winding everyone up and in the meantime, companies are having discussions outside of the EU and EU companies have already said they're happy to do business outside of the EU membership.

Lmao

Why are you laughing? It can't happen. EU companies cannot do business with UK outside of EU red tape. It fundamentally can't happen, unless those companies leave the EU countries in which they currently operate. How can you not get your head around that?

Even Rees mogg stated WTO rules would be applied. That will cost UK more to import. Don't be fooled by his optimism kid. He will do well from brexit. You won't. Your Spanish cherries and British cherries will both cost more.
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Post: #36
RE: We BREXIT we got a STRONG £
Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 01:17 AM)
Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 01:10 AM)
Why are you laughing? It can't happen. EU companies cannot do business with UK outside of EU red tape. It fundamentally can't happen, unless those companies leave the EU countries in which they currently operate. How can you not get your head around that?

Even Rees mogg stated WTO rules would be applied. That will cost UK more to import. Don't be fooled by his optimism kid. He will do well from brexit. You won't. Your Spanish cherries and British cherries will both cost more.

Cost more to import from the EU, which will be a net gain for UK industry. Actually having WTO rules apply to trade with EU may be beneficial for the UK all round. The UK runs a big trade deficit with the EU so not only would WTO tariffs make EU produced goods relatively more expensive compared to UK produced goods but the UK would be £8bn better off in terms of tariffs collected. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/27...wto-rules/ Once the UK leaves the EU it is free to negotiate trade deals but that hasn't stopped behind the scenes progress http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017...on-brexit/ for the deal Trump wants, a "powerful" trade deal with the UK to be completed "very quickly" So who does UK want a free trade deal with, America, that it runs a £37bn trade surplus with or Germany that it runs a £22bn trade deficit with. Maybe BMW better start expanding its UK factories.

As for cherry picking, since the war and up to 2013 the UK ran a seasonal agricultural worker permit scheme. It was only the over availability of Romanian and Bulgarian labour from inside the EU that caused it to be scrapped, May has already stated that it will be brought back again. http://theconversation.com/who-picked-br...kers-63279
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Post: #37
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Is there a pattern here?

Canada’s Morneau Wants U.K. Trade Deal ‘Rapidly’ After Brexit
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ter-brexit

G20: UK-US trade deal to happen quickly, says Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

Australia wants post-Brexit free trade deal with UK 'ASAP', Turnbull says after talks with May
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/au...it/8695590

BREXIT: Australia and New Zealand FIRST in line for British trade deal, claims NZ minister
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/777846/...odd-McClay

Brexit makes China Keener to strike a trade deal with Britain, says ambassador
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...ritain-sa/

Brazil will push for immediate trade talks with the UK under the auspices of South America’s trading bloc, Mercosur
https://www.ft.com/content/ce7cb3c0-4e9b...8?mhq5j=e2

Japan seeks early free trade talks with UK amid Brexit fears
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/j...shinzo-abe

and so on.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-16-2017 02:00 AM)
Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 01:17 AM)
Even Rees mogg stated WTO rules would be applied. That will cost UK more to import. Don't be fooled by his optimism kid. He will do well from brexit. You won't. Your Spanish cherries and British cherries will both cost more.

Cost more to import from the EU, which will be a net gain for UK industry. Actually having WTO rules apply to trade with EU may be beneficial for the UK all round. The UK runs a big trade deficit with the EU so not only would WTO tariffs make EU produced goods relatively more expensive compared to UK produced goods but the UK would be £8bn better off in terms of tariffs collected. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/27...wto-rules/ Once the UK leaves the EU it is free to negotiate trade deals but that hasn't stopped behind the scenes progress http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017...on-brexit/ for the deal Trump wants, a "powerful" trade deal with the UK to be completed "very quickly" So who does UK want a free trade deal with, America, that it runs a £37bn trade surplus with or Germany that it runs a £22bn trade deficit with. Maybe BMW better start expanding its UK factories.

As for cherry picking, since the war and up to 2013 the UK ran a seasonal agricultural worker permit scheme. It was only the over availability of Romanian and Bulgarian labour from inside the EU that caused it to be scrapped, May has already stated that it will be brought back again. http://theconversation.com/who-picked-br...kers-63279

The UK doesn't make or produce as much as it used to. The UK is more consumer than producer.

Financial services, which is what the UK does best, will be affected too. All the tax havens that the UK has won't help.

You keep being optimistic, you will end up being wrong.

It will be the liars like Rees mogg et al that will benefit the most. Youre merely agreeing with what they etc are saying, which is exactly what they want.

It would have made more sense to leave EU before 2008, right now the UK is weak, and this will only make it weaker.

Trade deals with Australia, Canada, America etc.. that won't help.

Time will be the big reveal.
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Is there a pattern here?

Canada’s Morneau Wants U.K. Trade Deal ‘Rapidly’ After Brexit
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ter-brexit

G20: UK-US trade deal to happen quickly, says Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

Australia wants post-Brexit free trade deal with UK 'ASAP', Turnbull says after talks with May
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/au...it/8695590

BREXIT: Australia and New Zealand FIRST in line for British trade deal, claims NZ minister
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/777846/...odd-McClay

Brexit makes China Keener to strike a trade deal with Britain, says ambassador
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...ritain-sa/

Brazil will push for immediate trade talks with the UK under the auspices of South America’s trading bloc, Mercosur
https://www.ft.com/content/ce7cb3c0-4e9b...8?mhq5j=e2

Japan seeks early free trade talks with UK amid Brexit fears
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/j...shinzo-abe

and so on.

Trade deals to import/export to countries so far away won't save anything. Any saving will be off set by shipping costs.
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NFU Buy British Campaign: Make It British, Make It Local, Make It Happen
National Farmers Union

Published on Mar 28, 2013
Buy British is an on-going campaign launched by the NFU (http://www.farmingdelivers.co.uk/farm... ) . The campaign is in direct response to the recent horse meat scandal, which has seen horse meat being passed off as beef in some imported foods. This video documents the work that has gone into raising awareness of the Buy British campaign and the affect it has had so far. You can show your support by using #BuyBritish on Twitter and by adding the Buy British banner to your social media platforms http://twibbon.com/support/buybritish





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKBlNqf_0kc
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Post: #42
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Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 09:58 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-16-2017 02:00 AM)
Cost more to import from the EU, which will be a net gain for UK industry. Actually having WTO rules apply to trade with EU may be beneficial for the UK all round. The UK runs a big trade deficit with the EU so not only would WTO tariffs make EU produced goods relatively more expensive compared to UK produced goods but the UK would be £8bn better off in terms of tariffs collected. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/27...wto-rules/ Once the UK leaves the EU it is free to negotiate trade deals but that hasn't stopped behind the scenes progress http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017...on-brexit/ for the deal Trump wants, a "powerful" trade deal with the UK to be completed "very quickly" So who does UK want a free trade deal with, America, that it runs a £37bn trade surplus with or Germany that it runs a £22bn trade deficit with. Maybe BMW better start expanding its UK factories.

As for cherry picking, since the war and up to 2013 the UK ran a seasonal agricultural worker permit scheme. It was only the over availability of Romanian and Bulgarian labour from inside the EU that caused it to be scrapped, May has already stated that it will be brought back again. http://theconversation.com/who-picked-br...kers-63279

The UK doesn't make or produce as much as it used to. The UK is more consumer than producer.

Financial services, which is what the UK does best, will be affected too. All the tax havens that the UK has won't help.

You keep being optimistic, you will end up being wrong.

It will be the liars like Rees mogg et al that will benefit the most. Youre merely agreeing with what they etc are saying, which is exactly what they want.

It would have made more sense to leave EU before 2008, right now the UK is weak, and this will only make it weaker.

Trade deals with Australia, Canada, America etc.. that won't help.

Time will be the big reveal.

Thanks for your completely evidence free reply. I noticed how you couldn't refute a single one of my points or counter the arguments in any of those articles I linked to. I guess you are just emotionally attached to the idea that somehow Britain must suffer. No, Britain shifting to a free trade regime with countries that it runs a trade surplus with like America and Australia and trading under WTO rules with countries that it runs a trade deficit with like Germany and the Netherlands is a big win, not only to improve our trading position but it also results in a big surplus in tariffs collected under WTO rules as outlined in Ruth Lee's article. https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationala...de/may2017

"Trade deals with Australia, Canada, America etc.. that won't help."

Seriously, having free trade deals ( we currently trade under the equivalent of WTO rules, the CCT ) with the world's largest and most dynamic economies outside of the EU "won't help".

Lmao
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Post: #43
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Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 09:59 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-16-2017 02:21 AM)
Is there a pattern here?

Canada’s Morneau Wants U.K. Trade Deal ‘Rapidly’ After Brexit
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ter-brexit

G20: UK-US trade deal to happen quickly, says Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

Australia wants post-Brexit free trade deal with UK 'ASAP', Turnbull says after talks with May
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/au...it/8695590

BREXIT: Australia and New Zealand FIRST in line for British trade deal, claims NZ minister
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/777846/...odd-McClay

Brexit makes China Keener to strike a trade deal with Britain, says ambassador
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...ritain-sa/

Brazil will push for immediate trade talks with the UK under the auspices of South America’s trading bloc, Mercosur
https://www.ft.com/content/ce7cb3c0-4e9b...8?mhq5j=e2

Japan seeks early free trade talks with UK amid Brexit fears
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/j...shinzo-abe

and so on.

Trade deals to import/export to countries so far away won't save anything. Any saving will be off set by shipping costs.

Right, that must be why we import all of our electrical goods and consumer durables from Belgium instead of China, because its just a few miles away instead of on the other side of the world. Maybe why we buy our software services from Luxembourg instead of California? Seriously, you're an idiot. Go away and read The Wealth of Nations and don't come back until you have understood the Law of Comparative Advantage.
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Brexit is the most wonderful thing I have seen in my lifetime. I love you, Great Britain!
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Hollow Closet Dweller  Wrote: (07-16-2017 09:59 AM)
Trade deals to import/export to countries so far away won't save anything. Any saving will be off set by shipping costs.

Right, that must be why we import all of our electrical goods and consumer durables from Belgium instead of China, because its just a few miles away instead of on the other side of the world. Maybe why we buy our software services from Luxembourg instead of California? Seriously, you're an idiot. Go away and read The Wealth of Nations and don't come back until you have understood the Law of Comparative Advantage.

Software services arent tangible. Electrical goods from Belgium via China?

Never the less, I'm not an idiot, and I didn't call you one. Quit being so insulting, it does you no justice.

I know things will get more expensive, like I said time will tell.
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