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Fmr. Congressional staffer confirms “thermonuclear device” detonated @ WTC on 911
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:21 PM)
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-17-2017 10:11 PM)
Anybody?

I POSTED TWICE ABOVE that the Nuclear power plants were detonated.. where HAVE you been? They are IN the original plans for the buildings. You do not supply modern power to such huge constructions without it. NOW THINK.
Do you have the original plans for the building? Do you know if there were any n-plants, and if so, do you know that they were detonated? And if these putative n-plants were detonated, what happened to all the radiation from the fuel rods?

Do you have any evidence at all of for these outré assertions? Or is this some rumor floating around from the University of You-Tube?

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Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-18-2017 12:13 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:21 PM)
I POSTED TWICE ABOVE that the Nuclear power plants were detonated.. where HAVE you been? They are IN the original plans for the buildings. You do not supply modern power to such huge constructions without it. NOW THINK.
Do you have the original plans for the building? Do you know if there were any n-plants, and if so, do you know that they were detonated? And if these putative n-plants were detonated, what happened to all the radiation from the fuel rods?

Do you have any evidence at all of for these outré assertions? Or is this some rumor floating around from the University of You-Tube?

they are freely available in pdf files on the net.. but I was originally exposed to them thru a group focusing on that and whose website is closed. I had them on an old large screen computer and I thus looked also for myself. I stated that already in previous posts. They have been scraping this from the net for years. I checked today to make sure the full plans were still on the net and they are but I am going to let the doubters LOOK for themselves.
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RE: Fmr. Congressional staffer confirms “thermonuclear device” detonated @ WTC on 911
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-18-2017 12:13 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:21 PM)
I POSTED TWICE ABOVE that the Nuclear power plants were detonated.. where HAVE you been? They are IN the original plans for the buildings. You do not supply modern power to such huge constructions without it. NOW THINK.
Do you have the original plans for the building? Do you know if there were any n-plants, and if so, do you know that they were detonated? And if these putative n-plants were detonated, what happened to all the radiation from the fuel rods?

Do you have any evidence at all of for these outré assertions? Or is this some rumor floating around from the University of You-Tube?


That was my first thought actually, immediately upon reading this thread-title: if nukes were allegedly used then where were all the Hiroshima-esque post-blast radiation burns? If a bomb is detonated in an alleged-nuclear power plant I'm sure effects like that would be a result. I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that workers at Chernobyl suffered similar injuries.

And then there would unequivocally be an enormous spike in cancer-diagnosis.

And anyway, I'm no physicist or engineer, but wouldn't a nuclear detonation (and/or "dirty bomb") blast OUTWARD in various directions? Regardless whatever your personal pet theory is for why the towers went down that day they clearly went straight down.

So that's another problem.

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RE: Fmr. Congressional staffer confirms “thermonuclear device” detonated @ WTC on 911
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-18-2017 12:41 AM)
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-18-2017 12:13 AM)
Do you have the original plans for the building? Do you know if there were any n-plants, and if so, do you know that they were detonated? And if these putative n-plants were detonated, what happened to all the radiation from the fuel rods?

Do you have any evidence at all of for these outré assertions? Or is this some rumor floating around from the University of You-Tube?

they are freely available in pdf files on the net.. but I was originally exposed to them thru a group focusing on that and whose website is closed. I had them on an old large screen computer and I thus looked also for myself. I stated that already in previous posts. They have been scraping this from the net for years. I checked today to make sure the full plans were still on the net and they are but I am going to let the doubters LOOK for themselves.
"Freely available pdf files on the net" from "a group" with a "closed website" isn't exactly evidence.chuckle

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Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-18-2017 12:13 AM)
Do you have the original plans for the building? Do you know if there were any n-plants, and if so, do you know that they were detonated? And if these putative n-plants were detonated, what happened to all the radiation from the fuel rods?

Do you have any evidence at all of for these outré assertions? Or is this some rumor floating around from the University of You-Tube?


That was my first thought actually, immediately upon reading this thread-title: if nukes were allegedly used then where were all the Hiroshima-esque post-blast radiation burns? If a bomb is detonated in an alleged-nuclear power plant I'm sure effects like that would be a result. I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that workers at Chernobyl suffered similar injuries.

And then there would unequivocally be an enormous spike in cancer-diagnosis.

And anyway, I'm no physicist or engineer, but wouldn't a nuclear detonation (and/or "dirty bomb") blast OUTWARD in various directions? Regardless whatever your personal pet theory is for why the towers went down that day they clearly went straight down.

So that's another problem.

The nukes were set allegedly 70 plus meters underground in order to create a cavity for the debris to fall into. It always astounded me that the debris pile wasn't much higher.

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BlackCat  Wrote: (07-18-2017 03:22 AM)
Sing-IllSway  Wrote: (07-18-2017 12:47 AM)
That was my first thought actually, immediately upon reading this thread-title: if nukes were allegedly used then where were all the Hiroshima-esque post-blast radiation burns? If a bomb is detonated in an alleged-nuclear power plant I'm sure effects like that would be a result. I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that workers at Chernobyl suffered similar injuries.

And then there would unequivocally be an enormous spike in cancer-diagnosis.

And anyway, I'm no physicist or engineer, but wouldn't a nuclear detonation (and/or "dirty bomb") blast OUTWARD in various directions? Regardless whatever your personal pet theory is for why the towers went down that day they clearly went straight down.

So that's another problem.

The nukes were set allegedly 70 plus meters underground in order to create a cavity for the debris to fall into. It always astounded me that the debris pile wasn't much higher.
And the earth that was in the "cavity" -- where would it have gone to?

And the effects from a nuclear explosion 70 meters below the surface? Check out Operation Plumbbob in 1957; in particular Pascal-A, Saturn, Pascal-B, and Rainier. All of these were underground tests, some much deeper than 70 meters, and they were certainly noticeable on the surface, and also (even though the release of radiation was attenuated) enough radiation to pose an actual threat to people.

And finally, read the Master's thesis from Rosenberg entitled "Hydrogeology of Staten Island, New York" and tell me how they could put anything 70 meters below NYC and not have it fill immediately with water. Do you realize that they have to pump every single subway in New York City 24/7 to keep them from flooding?

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9/11 Underground Explosion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM9dvRt9xu4


9/11 WTC basement smoke or cars on fire


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2GYHvstFpQ


THERE YOU HAVE IT....
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Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-18-2017 03:51 AM)
BlackCat  Wrote: (07-18-2017 03:22 AM)
The nukes were set allegedly 70 plus meters underground in order to create a cavity for the debris to fall into. It always astounded me that the debris pile wasn't much higher.
And the earth that was in the "cavity" -- where would it have gone to?

And the effects from a nuclear explosion 70 meters below the surface? Check out Operation Plumbbob in 1957; in particular Pascal-A, Saturn, Pascal-B, and Rainier. All of these were underground tests, some much deeper than 70 meters, and they were certainly noticeable on the surface, and also (even though the release of radiation was attenuated) enough radiation to pose an actual threat to people.

And finally, read the Master's thesis from Rosenberg entitled "Hydrogeology of Staten Island, New York" and tell me how they could put anything 70 meters below NYC and not have it fill immediately with water. Do you realize that they have to pump every single subway in New York City 24/7 to keep them from flooding?

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http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Nougat.html

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Burning cars near WTC 2 Before the towers fell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AIh0WwWGzc


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NormalIsSubjective  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:45 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 01:31 PM)
In all honesty I'm not 100% sold on the mini nukes, but so far it's the only thing that fits and would have these results, people disintegrating, pulverizing concrete, Tritium runoff in water, etc etc, so I'm probably 98-99% right now. And yes there are people in this world that wouldn't cast a second thought at the loss of 3K people.

I even researched this last night, which is what they think really blewup the Murrah Building. It does and doesn't fit the criteria, though concrete spalling or disintegration is listed on this one. So I'm still leaning to mini nuke.

The A-Neutronic bomb, or "Electro-Hydrodynamic Gaseous Fuel Device,"
...The first bomb test at the Pentagon's super-secret Area 51 in Nevada apparently resulted in the death of a technician and injured several others due to their underestimation of its power. The project was reportedly compartmentalized and classified under a "Nuclear Weapons" category by President Reagan.
http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt_01.htm

Since you mentioned OKC:

Two Oklahoma Airports: David Boren, KuwAm, and 9/11

By Kevin Ryan, Oct 29, 2012

There are many connections between the events of 9/11 and Oklahoma City. Some of these connections revolve around the alleged 9/11 hijackers, the “20th hijacker” Zacarias Moussaoui, and a couple of airports around Oklahoma City. Looking closer at the airport connections reveals startling coincidences with regard to the people who ran World Trade Center (WTC) security company Stratesec, as well as CIA Director George Tenet’s mentor, David Boren, who is currently the co-chairman of President Obama’s Intelligence Advisory Board.

Independent investigators have shown that there are striking links between the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City (OKC) and the events of 9/11.[1, 2] Recently, many 9/11 investigators have become more interested in learning the truth about the OKC bombing after being exposed to the excellent film A Noble Lie... https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/201...m-and-911/

Yeah I read thru the FBI's and ATF's affidavits several years ago, Namely Tiffany Bibles, and there was alot more to Murrah Building explosion than was released to the media. Numerous experts, decades of explosive experience, saying no way that happened like reported. Kind of like the WTC's. LOTS of coverup on both.
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BlackCat  Wrote: (07-18-2017 04:04 AM)
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-18-2017 03:51 AM)
And the earth that was in the "cavity" -- where would it have gone to?

And the effects from a nuclear explosion 70 meters below the surface? Check out Operation Plumbbob in 1957; in particular Pascal-A, Saturn, Pascal-B, and Rainier. All of these were underground tests, some much deeper than 70 meters, and they were certainly noticeable on the surface, and also (even though the release of radiation was attenuated) enough radiation to pose an actual threat to people.

And finally, read the Master's thesis from Rosenberg entitled "Hydrogeology of Staten Island, New York" and tell me how they could put anything 70 meters below NYC and not have it fill immediately with water. Do you realize that they have to pump every single subway in New York City 24/7 to keep them from flooding?

link to image: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Test...ag1024.gif

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Nougat.html

What megaton above? Frankly a tiny nuke would be all that was needed, if it was being funneled thru an upright tube. Where the shock waves ricochet upwards inside the walls. ust fyi, under Staten Island is a basin of granite, called the bathtub. That's what keeps the water out. The basin as damaged during this, but not so severely it allowed the water to flood in.
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BlackCat  Wrote: (07-18-2017 04:04 AM)
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (07-18-2017 03:51 AM)
And the earth that was in the "cavity" -- where would it have gone to?

And the effects from a nuclear explosion 70 meters below the surface? Check out Operation Plumbbob in 1957; in particular Pascal-A, Saturn, Pascal-B, and Rainier. All of these were underground tests, some much deeper than 70 meters, and they were certainly noticeable on the surface, and also (even though the release of radiation was attenuated) enough radiation to pose an actual threat to people.

And finally, read the Master's thesis from Rosenberg entitled "Hydrogeology of Staten Island, New York" and tell me how they could put anything 70 meters below NYC and not have it fill immediately with water. Do you realize that they have to pump every single subway in New York City 24/7 to keep them from flooding?

[Image: GnomeDiag1024.gif]

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Nougat.html
Black Cat, as I'm sure you were aware, Gnome was fired in a salt dome which hadn't seen any water for a million years. It was the only one of the cavities which didn't collapse, and ended up with a cavity which was pretty big. Also, it was 360 meters down, and it still spilled radiation which was detected offsite.

How can you compare that to a putative explosion which was secretly carried out under the feet of millions of New Yorkers, into a water-sodden subsurface structure and didn't damage any nearby buildings except for Building 7, and didn't leak any radiation whatsoever?

Did you review Rosenberg's paper?

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Here's an article discussing funneling effects caused by buildings and open streets. Interesting read.

Inaccurate Prediction of Nuclear Weapons Effects and Possible Adverse Influences on Nuclear Terrorism Preparedness
https://www.hsaj.org/articles/97
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Can anyone explain why cars were on fire miles away?

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-18-2017 04:22 AM)
Here's an article discussing funneling effects caused by buildings and open streets. Interesting read.

Inaccurate Prediction of Nuclear Weapons Effects and Possible Adverse Influences on Nuclear Terrorism Preparedness
https://www.hsaj.org/articles/97

Super read, on the effects of shock wave funneling in an urban area.
http://www.dtra.mil/Portals/61/Documents...i2_web.pdf

I quoted to include both in the same post.
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