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Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
Fire of Prometheus
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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
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SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 08:45 AM)
Will we ever run out of melodies and lyrics?
Seems to me to be an infinite supply hidden somewhere unknown...
Not just music either but all forms of art.

And if there is an infinite supply...Where is this infinity held?

Infinity is the trick.
Check this out.
In our traditional western style(greek) music...
We have 12 notes that repeat over limitless octaves from below the bottom of hearing beyond the top, basically endless.
Now if you play a truly analog instrument (violin, slide guitar etc.) that has no note division with things like frets or separate strings on each note(harps, pianos, traditional guitar etc.) you suddenly find a entire universe of notes within each note.
So you have an infinity of options of notes within one "note" and an infinity of notes across all the octaves.
But that's not enough there is more...
Every voice, instrument and technique can alter the timber and sound of the note.
This gives a infinite number of possibilities for the sound of a single note within a given octave.
Now add time to the equation...
Lots of time signatures with a lot of bpm options.
Now each human or machine will count bpms just slightly differently from every other human or machine.
Now the beats can be filled with notes.
The beats can be divided or syncopated so infinite notes at infinite places in time, with infinite diversity of timber, intensity etc.
Now add rests to the stream of notes again infinite amount of timing choices and placement.
Now add the final touch of random infinity the human composer or performer who makes decisions based on personal taste and skill.
Add lyrics and the infinite options of personal feeling thought and experience and you have captured infinity.
If that's not enough a person will never play the same arrangement exactly the same way twice.
It may be close enough that most wont notice, but it always changes if for no other reason than the heart rate of the musician.
Infinity is easy to grasp, its just hard to hold onto.
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Alpha Omega
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Post: #17
RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 10:08 AM)
Alpha Omega  Wrote: (07-17-2017 09:29 AM)
Here's how it works:

You just sit down with your instrument and start playing whatever happens. It sounds like crap. But hidden among the mostly meaningless notes you're producing, suddenly you hear a couple of notes that seem to mean something. You repeat them over and over, trying to find variations, and to add something to them. Most of your attempts sound like crap. But suddenly you strike gold and find a whole phrase that seem to mean something. You keep working, and end up with a variation that seems to go with your phrase. Then something that sounds like it belongs in between them, and finally some notes that seem to bind it all into a complete whole.

Congratulations, you just composed a melody!

Now your task is to repeat this trial-and-error process to find a suitable arrangement, and lyrics if it's going to be sung. The method is still the exact same: just try lots of worthless ideas until something worthwhile presents itself.

In short, you just need to START WORKING AND KEEP WORKING UNTIL THE WORK IS DONE.

Incidentally, the same "secret" lies behind how you invent stuff, or start a business, or do pretty much anything productive.
Thank you for going to all that effort.

Don't worry about the effort I'm putting in by writing full replies, my brain works fast, and I'm a fast typist. Very little time and effort is expended here really.

SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 10:08 AM)
But it does not come close to answering my question.

That's because you are asking the wrong question, and I did you a favor and answered the right question instead!
chuckle

Many people have been suckered in by the myth that music (and other forms of art) is somehow magic, and can only by produced by the Chosen Ones, the very special Demigods who walk among us.

In total awe over these supposedly Divinely Touched superhumans, these suckers ask "OMG, they're so awesome, where does their inspiration come from?!!"

And I'm here to tell you there is no such thing as inspiration, there is only perspiration! It's all just WORK!

Can you realize how ridiculous it would be to worship the ground a plumber walks on just because he has learned how to plumb, and isn't afraid to do it? Plumbing is just a skill, you learn the basics quickly, and then you just practice the craft until you're skilled enough to make a living from it. That's all there is to it!

And it's the exact same thing with making music! Worshiping those who can do it is just as ridiculous as worshiping those who can plumb, because anyone can do it! In particular, you can do it! All it takes to create music is work and dedication, just as is the case when it comes to becoming a plumber.

The only reason craftsmen who produce Art let the silly myth of their supposed divine touch and "inspiration" stay unchallenged, is because they're profiting from it. It's much easier to sell your stuff if people think you're a Demigod, so let them think it! As a young man performing on a stage you'll find young women flock to you as well, which is hard to say no to (I experienced this on a small scale myself in my youth, and damn, being seen as a Demigod has its perks!).

There are two negative aspects of this worshiping of ordinary humans doing ordinary human stuff though.

The first negative aspect is that you'll soon be tempted to believe your own BS, and start seeing yourself as a Demigod (instead of as a performing monkey, which is what anyone on a stage basically is). Your ego grows to Galactic proportions, and the end you'll turn into The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. It's not pretty...

The second negative aspect is that people who think others are Chosen Ones with magical abilities they lack themselves are really selling themselves short. It is a limiting belief that makes people less awesome than they really are. They shouldn't do this to themselves.
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SM0K3SCR33N
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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (07-17-2017 10:39 AM)
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 08:45 AM)
Will we ever run out of melodies and lyrics?
Seems to me to be an infinite supply hidden somewhere unknown...
Not just music either but all forms of art.

And if there is an infinite supply...Where is this infinity held?

Infinity is the trick.
Check this out.
In our traditional western style(greek) music...
We have 12 notes that repeat over limitless octaves from below the bottom of hearing beyond the top, basically endless.
Now if you play a truly analog instrument (violin, slide guitar etc.) that has no note division with things like frets or separate strings on each note(harps, pianos, traditional guitar etc.) you suddenly find a entire universe of notes within each note.
So you have an infinity of options of notes within one "note" and an infinity of notes across all the octaves.
But that's not enough there is more...
Every voice, instrument and technique can alter the timber and sound of the note.
This gives a infinite number of possibilities for the sound of a single note within a given octave.
Now add time to the equation...
Lots of time signatures with a lot of bpm options.
Now each human or machine will count bpms just slightly differently from every other human or machine.
Now the beats can be filled with notes.
The beats can be divided or syncopated so infinite notes at infinite places in time, with infinite diversity of timber, intensity etc.
Now add rests to the stream of notes again infinite amount of timing choices and placement.
Now add the final touch of random infinity the human composer or performer who makes decisions based on personal taste and skill.
Add lyrics and the infinite options of personal feeling thought and experience and you have captured infinity.
If that's not enough a person will never play the same arrangement exactly the same way twice.
It may be close enough that most wont notice, but it always changes if for no other reason than the heart rate of the musician.
Infinity is easy to grasp, its just hard to hold onto.

Well said!

"Now each human or machine will count bpms just slightly differently from every other human or machine".

I wonder if this has anything to do with each person having a different heartbeat rhythm?

Now the only question that remains is the entirety of the OP... Lmao

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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
Alpha Omega  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:01 AM)
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 10:08 AM)
Thank you for going to all that effort.

Don't worry about the effort I'm putting in by writing full replies, my brain works fast, and I'm a fast typist. Very little time and effort is expended here really.

SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 10:08 AM)
But it does not come close to answering my question.

That's because you are asking the wrong question, and I did you a favor and answered the right question instead!
chuckle

Many people have been suckered in by the myth that music (and other forms of art) is somehow magic, and can only by produced by the Chosen Ones, the very special Demigods who walk among us.

In total awe over these supposedly Divinely Touched superhumans, these suckers ask "OMG, they're so awesome, where does their inspiration come from?!!"

And I'm here to tell you there is no such thing as inspiration, there is only perspiration! It's all just WORK!

Can you realize how ridiculous it would be to worship the ground a plumber walks on just because he has learned how to plumb, and isn't afraid to do it? Plumbing is just a skill, you learn the basics quickly, and then you just practice the craft until you're skilled enough to make a living from it. That's all there is to it!

And it's the exact same thing with making music! Worshiping those who can do it is just as ridiculous as worshiping those who can plumb, because anyone can do it! In particular, you can do it! All it takes to create music is work and dedication, just as is the case when it comes to becoming a plumber.

The only reason craftsmen who produce Art let the silly myth of their supposed divine touch and "inspiration" stay unchallenged, is because they're profiting from it. It's much easier to sell your stuff if people think you're a Demigod, so let them think it! As a young man performing on a stage you'll find young women flock to you as well, which is hard to say no to (I experienced this on a small scale myself in my youth, and damn, being seen as a Demigod has its perks!).

There are two negative aspects of this worshiping of ordinary humans doing ordinary human stuff though.

The first negative aspect is that you'll soon be tempted to believe your own BS, and start seeing yourself as a Demigod (instead of as a performing monkey, which is what anyone on a stage basically is). Your ego grows to Galactic proportions, and the end you'll turn into The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. It's not pretty...

The second negative aspect is that people who think others are Chosen Ones with magical abilities they lack themselves are really selling themselves short. It is a limiting belief that makes people less awesome than they really are. They shouldn't do this to themselves.

Are you high? chuckle

Power is nothing... Without the Love to regulate it and the wisdom to use it.
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SM0K3SCR33N
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Post: #20
RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:44 AM)
Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (07-17-2017 10:39 AM)
Infinity is the trick.
Check this out.
In our traditional western style(greek) music...
We have 12 notes that repeat over limitless octaves from below the bottom of hearing beyond the top, basically endless.
Now if you play a truly analog instrument (violin, slide guitar etc.) that has no note division with things like frets or separate strings on each note(harps, pianos, traditional guitar etc.) you suddenly find a entire universe of notes within each note.
So you have an infinity of options of notes within one "note" and an infinity of notes across all the octaves.
But that's not enough there is more...
Every voice, instrument and technique can alter the timber and sound of the note.
This gives a infinite number of possibilities for the sound of a single note within a given octave.
Now add time to the equation...
Lots of time signatures with a lot of bpm options.
Now each human or machine will count bpms just slightly differently from every other human or machine.
Now the beats can be filled with notes.
The beats can be divided or syncopated so infinite notes at infinite places in time, with infinite diversity of timber, intensity etc.
Now add rests to the stream of notes again infinite amount of timing choices and placement.
Now add the final touch of random infinity the human composer or performer who makes decisions based on personal taste and skill.
Add lyrics and the infinite options of personal feeling thought and experience and you have captured infinity.
If that's not enough a person will never play the same arrangement exactly the same way twice.
It may be close enough that most wont notice, but it always changes if for no other reason than the heart rate of the musician.
Infinity is easy to grasp, its just hard to hold onto.

Well said!

"Now each human or machine will count bpms just slightly differently from every other human or machine".

I wonder if this has anything to do with each person having a different heartbeat rhythm?

Now the only question that remains is the entirety of the OP... Lmao


I feel more intelligenter after reading that tho...Thank you. chuckle

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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
The Devil.
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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
Public Enemy #1  Wrote: (07-17-2017 12:18 PM)
The Devil.

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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
Everybody else is right, beezlebub. JhikpghfBump
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 12:31 PM)
Everybody else is right, beezlebub. JhikpghfBump

Whoever says so is an ignorant fool and i wish you to leave my thread that i just pissed on to let you know.

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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:47 AM)
Alpha Omega  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:01 AM)
Don't worry about the effort I'm putting in by writing full replies, my brain works fast, and I'm a fast typist. Very little time and effort is expended here really.


That's because you are asking the wrong question, and I did you a favor and answered the right question instead!
chuckle

Many people have been suckered in by the myth that music (and other forms of art) is somehow magic, and can only by produced by the Chosen Ones, the very special Demigods who walk among us.

In total awe over these supposedly Divinely Touched superhumans, these suckers ask "OMG, they're so awesome, where does their inspiration come from?!!"

And I'm here to tell you there is no such thing as inspiration, there is only perspiration! It's all just WORK!

Can you realize how ridiculous it would be to worship the ground a plumber walks on just because he has learned how to plumb, and isn't afraid to do it? Plumbing is just a skill, you learn the basics quickly, and then you just practice the craft until you're skilled enough to make a living from it. That's all there is to it!

And it's the exact same thing with making music! Worshiping those who can do it is just as ridiculous as worshiping those who can plumb, because anyone can do it! In particular, you can do it! All it takes to create music is work and dedication, just as is the case when it comes to becoming a plumber.

The only reason craftsmen who produce Art let the silly myth of their supposed divine touch and "inspiration" stay unchallenged, is because they're profiting from it. It's much easier to sell your stuff if people think you're a Demigod, so let them think it! As a young man performing on a stage you'll find young women flock to you as well, which is hard to say no to (I experienced this on a small scale myself in my youth, and damn, being seen as a Demigod has its perks!).

There are two negative aspects of this worshiping of ordinary humans doing ordinary human stuff though.

The first negative aspect is that you'll soon be tempted to believe your own BS, and start seeing yourself as a Demigod (instead of as a performing monkey, which is what anyone on a stage basically is). Your ego grows to Galactic proportions, and the end you'll turn into The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. It's not pretty...

The second negative aspect is that people who think others are Chosen Ones with magical abilities they lack themselves are really selling themselves short. It is a limiting belief that makes people less awesome than they really are. They shouldn't do this to themselves.

Are you high? chuckle

No, I'm trying to hold a serious conversation with someone who is incapable of producing more than one line of text at the same time.

My brain has a 1Gbit fiber connection, yours seems to have a 56K modem.
chuckle
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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
Alpha Omega  Wrote: (07-17-2017 12:37 PM)
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 11:47 AM)
Are you high? chuckle

No, I'm trying to hold a serious conversation with someone who is incapable of producing more than one line of text at the same time.

My brain has a 1Gbit fiber connection, yours seems to have a 56K modem.
chuckle

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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
Where do thoughts come from? Like when you are walking along and just thinking about stuff in general.

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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
James  Wrote: (07-17-2017 12:41 PM)
Where do thoughts come from? Like when you are walking long and just thinking about stuff in general.

Now we're heading in the right direction!


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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 08:45 AM)
Will we ever run out of melodies and lyrics?
Seems to me to be an infinite supply hidden somewhere unknown...
Not just music either but all forms of art.

And if there is an infinite supply...Where is this infinity held?

As someone who writes music, it's my love of music itself that inspires me to write.
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RE: Where does the inspiration to make music come from?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-17-2017 12:43 PM)
SM0K3SCR33N  Wrote: (07-17-2017 08:45 AM)
Will we ever run out of melodies and lyrics?
Seems to me to be an infinite supply hidden somewhere unknown...
Not just music either but all forms of art.

And if there is an infinite supply...Where is this infinity held?

As someone who writes music, it's my love of music itself that inspires me to write.

Love?... Hmmmm... VERY GOOD! Cheer

Where does LOVE come from?

Power is nothing... Without the Love to regulate it and the wisdom to use it.
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