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Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
King Doom
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Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
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No injury to me or the other party, but $200 fine for "failure to maintain control".

I was on the interstate, traffic slowed to a crawl.

Someone came up close behind me, so I could not slow down to give myself more room to the car ahead of me, and it slowed down as well, effectively boxing me in.

The traffic came to a stop, then started moving, I started moving my car to about 10mph, when all of a sudden the car ahead of me slammed on it's brakes.

I had about 1/2 second to react. I slammed on my brakes, but the "boxed in" condition gave me less than normal stopping distance, and even though I slammed on my brakes, it was not enough distance and I rear-ended the other car.

I think the "failure to maintain control" ticket is BS because:

1. Car came up behind me, boxing me in from the rear.
2. Car ahead of me decelerated rapidly, boxing me in from the front.
3. I could not increase my distance between myself and the car in front due to this.

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President Camacho
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08-13-2017 12:16 AM

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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
Nope. I rear ended someone going about 2 mph at a stoplight because I let my foot of the brake a little and was looking to the right out my window. I got a careless driving ticket that was about the same as yours. No way out of it. Just pay up and move on.

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King Doom
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
President Camacho  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:16 AM)
Nope. I rear ended someone going about 2 mph at a stoplight because I let my foot of the brake a little and was looking to the right out my window. I got a careless driving ticket that was about the same as yours. No way out of it. Just pay up and move on.

Not so much the fine I'm worried about, but the increase in insurance premiums.

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President Camacho
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
King Doom  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:17 AM)
President Camacho  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:16 AM)
Nope. I rear ended someone going about 2 mph at a stoplight because I let my foot of the brake a little and was looking to the right out my window. I got a careless driving ticket that was about the same as yours. No way out of it. Just pay up and move on.

Not so much the fine I'm worried about, but the increase in insurance premiums.

I hear ya man. I don't get how insurance is supposed to protect you from the full bill of something if they're just going to increase premiums. They plan on getting the money out of you either way. It's a scam. There was no damage in my instance either. Not even a scuff on their bumper.

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Fire of Prometheus
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
King Doom  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:13 AM)
No injury to me or the other party, but $200 fine for "failure to maintain control".

I was on the interstate, traffic slowed to a crawl.

Someone came up close behind me, so I could not slow down to give myself more room to the car ahead of me, and it slowed down as well, effectively boxing me in.

The traffic came to a stop, then started moving, I started moving my car to about 10mph, when all of a sudden the car ahead of me slammed on it's brakes.

I had about 1/2 second to react. I slammed on my brakes, but the "boxed in" condition gave me less than normal stopping distance, and even though I slammed on my brakes, it was not enough distance and I rear-ended the other car.

I think the "failure to maintain control" ticket is BS because:

1. Car came up behind me, boxing me in from the rear.
2. Car ahead of me decelerated rapidly, boxing me in from the front.
3. I could not increase my distance between myself and the car in front due to this.

In Ohio the charge is unsure clear distance.
Failure to control is the result of going off the road, into a different lane etc.
Unsure clear distance works for sideswipes and rear ends.
Sliding off the lane, missing a curve, hitting a telephone pole etc. is failure to control.
The price is the same small fine, higher insurance rates.
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08-13-2017 12:28 AM

 



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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
By your own admission, you were at fault.
There is no way in hell that you can fight this and win.
Perhaps next time you will follow at a safe distance and pay attention.
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
Go to http://www.avvo.com and find a traffic lawyer in your area.

https://www.avvo.com/speeding-traffic-ti...awyer.html

Even if you're at fault, an experienced traffic lawyer can negotiate better than you in court and get your charges reduced.

I got caught in a traffic sting for failing to stop for a pedestrian (was an undercover cop - they nailed about 50 people that day) and a traffic lawyer got it reduced to an unsafe tire violation. I can't remember what the fine was exactly but it was less than $100 and no points on my license. The lawyer cost about $300. I didn't even have to show up to court. He took care of everything. IMO he was worth it.

I learned a lesson though. If I see a pedestrian standing at a curb waiting to cross, I do my best to stop and let them go by.
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
Nope....more then likely you are going to lose,you were following to close...live and learn.Jhikpghf
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
If the vehicle you hit had brakelights, it was completely your fault.
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
Wait your entire argument is that the guy behind you is responsible for your rear ending the car in front of you. You'r not very bright are you op.
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:27 AM)
King Doom  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:13 AM)
No injury to me or the other party, but $200 fine for "failure to maintain control".

I was on the interstate, traffic slowed to a crawl.

Someone came up close behind me, so I could not slow down to give myself more room to the car ahead of me, and it slowed down as well, effectively boxing me in.

The traffic came to a stop, then started moving, I started moving my car to about 10mph, when all of a sudden the car ahead of me slammed on it's brakes.

I had about 1/2 second to react. I slammed on my brakes, but the "boxed in" condition gave me less than normal stopping distance, and even though I slammed on my brakes, it was not enough distance and I rear-ended the other car.

I think the "failure to maintain control" ticket is BS because:

1. Car came up behind me, boxing me in from the rear.
2. Car ahead of me decelerated rapidly, boxing me in from the front.
3. I could not increase my distance between myself and the car in front due to this.

In Ohio the charge is unsure clear distance.
Failure to control is the result of going off the road, into a different lane etc.
Unsure clear distance works for sideswipes and rear ends.
Sliding off the lane, missing a curve, hitting a telephone pole etc. is failure to control.
The price is the same small fine, higher insurance rates.

But to be fair, speed related, reckless operation related citations do a lot more to your insurance, improper backing related tickets hardly effects insurance rates.
The great thing about improper backing is it usually occurs on private property so you don't even get a ticket.
The bad thing is when backing in a parking lot and you back into someone who is going the wrong way (opposite of marked traffic arrows on ground and signs) you are still responsible 70% of damages here....
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08-13-2017 12:33 AM

 



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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
What state are you in? If you're in NY give Zef Goldstein a call. He's the lawyer that helped me out with my ticket years ago.

http://www.zevgoldsteinlaw.com

Awesome guy. Very knowledgeable and easy to work with. I always heard lawyers were so expensive but his price is fair.

The $300 I paid him was less than what I could have ended up paying for my ticket.
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:32 AM)
Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:27 AM)
In Ohio the charge is unsure clear distance.
Failure to control is the result of going off the road, into a different lane etc.
Unsure clear distance works for sideswipes and rear ends.
Sliding off the lane, missing a curve, hitting a telephone pole etc. is failure to control.
The price is the same small fine, higher insurance rates.

But to be fair, speed related, reckless operation related citations do a lot more to your insurance, improper backing related tickets hardly effects insurance rates.
The great thing about improper backing is it usually occurs on private property so you don't even get a ticket.
The bad thing is when backing in a parking lot and you back into someone who is going the wrong way (opposite of marked traffic arrows on ground and signs) you are still responsible 70% of damages here....

The Wal-Mart I go to has these stupid slanted parking spots. They claim that doing it this way gives more spaces in less room, but I don't believe that for a second. It's basic geometry that since parking spaces are rectangular then keeping them at flat 90 degree angles saves the most space.

Thing is, the spaces slant the wrong way from the arrows in the lanes. So when I pull out, I have to do an extra wide turn. Not a big deal, but I've had other drivers honk at me for doing this. I don't understand why??? I'm driving the same way as the arrows!
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
Hitting another car in the rear is always the fault of the driver that hit the car. It's one of the "givens" of driving.
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President Camacho
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RE: Any way to fight a ticket for rear ending someone?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (08-13-2017 12:33 AM)
What state are you in? If you're in NY give Zef Goldstein a call. He's the lawyer that helped me out with my ticket years ago.

http://www.zevgoldsteinlaw.com

Awesome guy. Very knowledgeable and easy to work with. I always heard lawyers were so expensive but his price is fair.

The $300 I paid him was less than what I could have ended up paying for my ticket.

The only way you can do better than getting a lawyer is getting a lawyer with a Jewish last name. Good call.

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