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NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
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seasnake  Wrote: (09-13-2017 07:23 AM)
I'm sure if NASA landed on the moon several decades back they can still do so now. Their tech has surely only improved.

You may be the dimmest bulb on the forum. American manufacturing is not what it used to be. We used to manufacture all our own parts with the best engineers in the world and scientists to boot. The fact is that to launch such an advanced piece of machinery requires over 10,000 very specific machine operations and if any one thing goes wrong, people will likely die. When Apollo 13 failed, scientists had only minutes to work out an exact formula for reentry, a calculation so difficult that it would have taken Isaac Newton over twenty years to solve. Computing obviously is lightyears beyond what it was then but American ingenuity has taken a step back, we lack the engineering capacity and as a result, we're beholden to the Russians for making the trip into space. Thanks Barry from Honolulu! You sure did your darndest to make this nation last place in everything and in a lot of ways, you succeeded.

In concluding these remarks, I'd like to say that this is only the second biggest story they are not telling you. The biggest story they are not telling you is,

We never went to the moon in the first place because it is impossible!

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RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
Fire of Prometheus  Wrote: (09-13-2017 09:17 AM)
seasnake  Wrote: (09-13-2017 09:05 AM)
Given that they promised re-usable space shuttles that could travel back and forth clear back in the 1980's, I don't think replacement parts was that unreasonable of a word usage. Hell, they sure were given tons of money back then.

The old moon landing stuff was all disposable, the many stages were spent, wasted, non recoverable, all built, tested, used and gone.
Some museum type places have a few pieces and that's it.
The whole purpose of the space race was rocket technology research that the people could get behind and cheer for, while huge amounts of taxes were spent on it.
It worked, guidance systems, launch and tracking, targeting, reliability...
Atomic batteries, atomic/solar thermionic generators, hydrogen fuel cells, ion thrusts, microchip technology improvements, distributed processing etc...all from the space program.

it was a hoax to open up another consciousness.

the Sorcery-idea of the 'endless cold scientific outer space'.
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Post: #48
RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 04:40 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 04:04 PM)
But one some problem, there seems to be next to no political will to even launch a US made manned moon rocket anytime soon. Perhaps in the 22nd Century. By then it will be a Russian/Chinese Moon.

It's hugely expensive. What would be the point of blowing all that money? The space race as framed by America was to prove that American free market capitalism was superior to the Soviet centralised command economy. They did this by giving a centralised government body huge amounts of money and commanding that it built a Moon ship thus proving that... er...

The Soviet union, having been first at everything else in space apart from the manned Moon landing; first ICBM, first satellite, first animal, first man, first woman, first spacewalk, first docking, first around the Moon, first soft landing on the Moon etc. just went on setting firsts in space-stations and long duration flights.

Let's focus for a minute on this suggestion ^.
It's been repeated ad nauseum since the 60s and up to this day by
seemingly rational people.

This country does not earn money, it creates it by 'fiat'.

Fiat means -by slight of hand, out of thin air, by magic, by legerdemain.

The government bails out banks with trillions of dollars.
The government and its pentagon literally LOSE trillions of dollars;
like you and I lose change out of our pockets in the sofa.

Somehow the hocus pokus and reality need to jive.

So the people who claim that our space endeavors are "too expensive"
(realists) need to meet the magicians who create and lose trillions and trillions and more trillions of dollars.
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Post: #49
RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 06:54 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 04:40 PM)
It's hugely expensive. What would be the point of blowing all that money? The space race as framed by America was to prove that American free market capitalism was superior to the Soviet centralised command economy. They did this by giving a centralised government body huge amounts of money and commanding that it built a Moon ship thus proving that... er...

The Soviet union, having been first at everything else in space apart from the manned Moon landing; first ICBM, first satellite, first animal, first man, first woman, first spacewalk, first docking, first around the Moon, first soft landing on the Moon etc. just went on setting firsts in space-stations and long duration flights.

Let's focus for a minute on this suggestion ^.
It's been repeated ad nauseum since the 60s and up to this day by
seemingly rational people.

This country does not earn money, it creates it by 'fiat'.

Fiat means -by slight of hand, out of thin air, by magic, by legerdemain.

The government bails out banks with trillions of dollars.
The government and its pentagon literally LOSE trillions of dollars;
like you and I lose change out of our pockets in the sofa.

Somehow the hocus pokus and reality need to jive.

So the people who claim that our space endeavors are "too expensive"
(realists) need to meet the magicians who create and lose trillions and trillions and more trillions of dollars.

Bump
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Post: #51
RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 06:54 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 04:40 PM)
It's hugely expensive. What would be the point of blowing all that money? The space race as framed by America was to prove that American free market capitalism was superior to the Soviet centralised command economy. They did this by giving a centralised government body huge amounts of money and commanding that it built a Moon ship thus proving that... er...

The Soviet union, having been first at everything else in space apart from the manned Moon landing; first ICBM, first satellite, first animal, first man, first woman, first spacewalk, first docking, first around the Moon, first soft landing on the Moon etc. just went on setting firsts in space-stations and long duration flights.

Let's focus for a minute on this suggestion ^.
It's been repeated ad nauseum since the 60s and up to this day by
seemingly rational people.

This country does not earn money, it creates it by 'fiat'.

Fiat means -by slight of hand, out of thin air, by magic, by legerdemain.

The government bails out banks with trillions of dollars.
The government and its pentagon literally LOSE trillions of dollars;
like you and I lose change out of our pockets in the sofa.

Somehow the hocus pokus and reality need to jive.

So the people who claim that our space endeavors are "too expensive"
(realists) need to meet the magicians who create and lose trillions and trillions and more trillions of dollars.

Exactly. Their actions tell us where their priorities are.

Instead of funding NASA and driving technological advancement and space travel, they bail out banks for trillions of dollars so their banker buddies don't go broke.

Instead of employing US workers to produce goods at home they employ Chinese sweatshop workers for pennies a day so they can increase their profit margins. Meanwhile the citizens they represent languish in an ever-dwindling quality of life.

Instead of funding education and providing college for free they funnel trillions into our military to kill more people.

It's clear that our government is not representing us. It's not even friendly to us. Our country is run by psychopaths and criminals who want to destroy us, dominate the world, and turn human history into an eternal legacy of ruin, bloodshed, and impoverishment.

I'm a patriot. I'm sad to see my country collapsing around me, but I also realize it's for a greater good. If the United States will not repent and turn back to biblical principles and once again become a free nation under God, it must be thrown to the wayside and another nation given the chance to become a beacon of light to the world.

Even as we are speaking here, underground churches are spreading like wildfire throughout China. Every time the Communist party cracks down on them, more people are drawn into the fold because they can clearly see the difference between the doctrine of God and the doctrine of the State. If China takes the lead as Earth's superpower, I have no doubt that it will also become a Christian nation.

God works in mysterious ways. His plan will be followed, no matter how obstinate humanity will be.
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Post: #52
RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 03:02 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 02:55 PM)
Someone who does't understand how rockets work will "explain" computers.

Lmao

And yet no one explains how a rocket works. The standard response from NASA "oh that's rocket science you wouldn't understand"

Pretty easy.

ΔMV (momentum) and Δ1/2*mv2 (energy) for a system have to be zero.

If you have two particles that collide and have good data on the incoming particles and one of the outgoing particles you know where the other particle went.


A spacecraft shoots about 1% of its mass out the back at speeds up to 3000 meters per second (6700 MPH). As the mass fraction increases (because of fuel depletion) the acceleration increases.

A rocket is noisy because the exhaust is supersonic.


If 1% fuel is leaving at 3000 m/s the remainder of the rocket increases its velocity in the reverse direction 30 m/s.

It is just that simple.

Lets look at a rocket that is 5% rocket and 95% fuel. The last second of fuel is about 1/6 of the rocket mass (17%). Acceleration is 510 m/s.

Rocket velocity after 95 seconds is about 25600 MPH.
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RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 12:56 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 07:11 AM)
NASA: We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon
http://yournewswire.com/nasa-moon-travel-technology/






I just want to point out something odd about that photo with the earth hanging in the background behind the astronaut.

Why does the Earth appear about as large as you would expect the Moon to be on Earth? If this was a night shot on Earth, you could photoshop a Moon right over the Earth in that picture and it would be believable.

The diameter of the Earth is 4 times larger than the Moon. When standing on the Moon, the Earth should appear to be huge, much larger than we are accustomed to seeing because our only frame of reference is seeing the Moon in the night sky.

In that picture, the Earth is too small. It's like whoever did that CGI was working with the frame of reference of a life-long Earth dweller.

I believe we did go to the Moon, that we do have a space station, and that we have sent robotic probes to other planets. But NASA doesn't show the public what they really find. Whatever they show the public is CGI and lies.

Why do you believe space travel is real? The ISS is more of the same. Hoax.
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Are words necessary to express just how insane this looks? It's a carnival ride that managed to rocket off the moon and travel somehow?? to dock with the mother ship for the trip home.

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RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 07:16 PM)
Pretty easy.

ΔMV (momentum) and Δ1/2*mv2 (energy) for a system have to be zero.

If you have two particles that collide and have good data on the incoming particles and one of the outgoing particles you know where the other particle went.


A spacecraft shoots about 1% of its mass out the back at speeds up to 3000 meters per second (6700 MPH). As the mass fraction increases (because of fuel depletion) the acceleration increases.

A rocket is noisy because the exhaust is supersonic.


If 1% fuel is leaving at 3000 m/s the remainder of the rocket increases its velocity in the reverse direction 30 m/s.

It is just that simple.

Lets look at a rocket that is 5% rocket and 95% fuel. The last second of fuel is about 1/6 of the rocket mass (17%). Acceleration is 510 m/s.

Rocket velocity after 95 seconds is about 25600 MPH.

The CM/LM assembly needs to then decelerate in order to enter lunar orbit. It would need a sufficient payload of fuel for that burn or it would
fly past the moon.

It decelerates to about 3000 mph.

The LM assembly then departs for the surface.
It must burn a lot of fuel to slow to a hovering speed in order to not
crash and burn.

The batteries, air tanks, and equipment (like a moon-buggy) are heavy.
Then after a couple days of roaming around, they need to blast off in
the LM and re-accelerate to 3000 mph to dock flawlessly with the CM.

After this the CM and three crew-members need enough fuel to re-accelerate to 25000 mph.

When they are near Earth,,, at precisely the right moment,,, they need
to burn more fuel to decelerate to 3,000 mph or fly past the Earth or crash into the Earth and burn up like toast.

That's not bad for 1960s science fiction.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 07:08 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 06:54 PM)
Let's focus for a minute on this suggestion ^.
It's been repeated ad nauseum since the 60s and up to this day by
seemingly rational people.

This country does not earn money, it creates it by 'fiat'.

Fiat means -by slight of hand, out of thin air, by magic, by legerdemain.

The government bails out banks with trillions of dollars.
The government and its pentagon literally LOSE trillions of dollars;
like you and I lose change out of our pockets in the sofa.

Somehow the hocus pokus and reality need to jive.

So the people who claim that our space endeavors are "too expensive"
(realists) need to meet the magicians who create and lose trillions and trillions and more trillions of dollars.

Exactly. Their actions tell us where their priorities are.

Instead of funding NASA and driving technological advancement and space travel, they bail out banks for trillions of dollars so their banker buddies don't go broke.

Instead of employing US workers to produce goods at home they employ Chinese sweatshop workers for pennies a day so they can increase their profit margins. Meanwhile the citizens they represent languish in an ever-dwindling quality of life.

Instead of funding education and providing college for free they funnel trillions into our military to kill more people.

It's clear that our government is not representing us. It's not even friendly to us. Our country is run by psychopaths and criminals who want to destroy us, dominate the world, and turn human history into an eternal legacy of ruin, bloodshed, and impoverishment.

I'm a patriot. I'm sad to see my country collapsing around me, but I also realize it's for a greater good. If the United States will not repent and turn back to biblical principles and once again become a free nation under God, it must be thrown to the wayside and another nation given the chance to become a beacon of light to the world.

Even as we are speaking here, underground churches are spreading like wildfire throughout China. Every time the Communist party cracks down on them, more people are drawn into the fold because they can clearly see the difference between the doctrine of God and the doctrine of the State. If China takes the lead as Earth's superpower, I have no doubt that it will also become a Christian nation.

God works in mysterious ways. His plan will be followed, no matter how obstinate humanity will be.

Pretty much how I see it. Except for the religion part. It won't be representative to the word as it was once stated, and never to be changed. It will be a potpourri of religions.

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Moon is a solid spheroid object that reflects light off the sun???

[Image: shading.gif]

No silly, it's a flat disk that produces it's own light like the sun, and it's not a solid object !!!
[Image: full-moon.jpg]
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 06:54 PM)
Let's focus for a minute on this suggestion ^.
It's been repeated ad nauseum since the 60s and up to this day by
seemingly rational people.

This country does not earn money, it creates it by 'fiat'.

Fiat means -by slight of hand, out of thin air, by magic, by legerdemain.

The government bails out banks with trillions of dollars.
The government and its pentagon literally LOSE trillions of dollars;
like you and I lose change out of our pockets in the sofa.

Somehow the hocus pokus and reality need to jive.

So the people who claim that our space endeavors are "too expensive"
(realists) need to meet the magicians who create and lose trillions and trillions and more trillions of dollars.

Exactly. Their actions tell us where their priorities are.

Instead of funding NASA and driving technological advancement and space travel, they bail out banks for trillions of dollars so their banker buddies don't go broke.

Instead of employing US workers to produce goods at home they employ Chinese sweatshop workers for pennies a day so they can increase their profit margins. Meanwhile the citizens they represent languish in an ever-dwindling quality of life.

Instead of funding education and providing college for free they funnel trillions into our military to kill more people.

It's clear that our government is not representing us. It's not even friendly to us. Our country is run by psychopaths and criminals who want to destroy us, dominate the world, and turn human history into an eternal legacy of ruin, bloodshed, and impoverishment.

I'm a patriot. I'm sad to see my country collapsing around me, but I also realize it's for a greater good.

You had me until the rest.

Leave your religion out of it, because you make the rest of us who reject the nonsensical postulations you just gave, look like liars and guilt by association for the above which we can demonstrate with proof. Please, do not take truth and mix it with modern Christian propaganda. You're harming your nation, and our arguments by doing so (both of ours), because I completely agree there are major problems with how our nation has acted.

Keep to the facts, and leave the rest, out. It helps us both in the long run.

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RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
VM  Wrote: (09-13-2017 08:48 PM)
Moon is a solid spheroid object that reflects light off the sun???

[Image: shading.gif]

No silly, it's a flat disk that produces it's own light like the sun, and it's not a solid object !!!
[Image: full-moon.jpg]

lol, if the moon isn't a solid object then there is no way anyone could have landed upon it
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RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
Logros  Wrote: (09-13-2017 07:38 AM)
seasnake  Wrote: (09-13-2017 07:23 AM)
I'm sure if NASA landed on the moon several decades back they can still do so now. Their tech has surely only improved.

they are saying we CAN but we SLASHED the space budget again and again so they no long produce the parts needed to go there and do not have the budget to start manufacturing them again or design ones to replace them.

after JFK got... dealt with... there has been continual gutting of NASA budgets.

Not true. NASA astronaut said they DESTROYED the tech.
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RE: NASA: 'We’re No Longer Able To Visit The Moon'
LoP Guest  Wrote: (09-13-2017 09:14 PM)
Logros  Wrote: (09-13-2017 07:38 AM)
they are saying we CAN but we SLASHED the space budget again and again so they no long produce the parts needed to go there and do not have the budget to start manufacturing them again or design ones to replace them.

after JFK got... dealt with... there has been continual gutting of NASA budgets.

Not true. NASA astronaut said they DESTROYED the tech.

Not believable, they would still have records even if they did. We assume that alien tech can be backwards engineered, but much simpler NASA tech is a problem?
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