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The Oct 3, 2017 Vacuum Chamber Experiment: Can Flies Fly in a Vacuum: Is NASA B.S.???
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:44 AM)
Jellyfish can.

Jellyfish can fly in a vacuum chamber? If so I'd like to see that video.
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beer  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:47 AM)
Or, in other words, you think you're smarter than OP and most people in the world. Jptdknpa

You really don't read what I write do you? I claimed that I am not and wanted to see what others had to say about this topic.
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RE: The Oct 3, 2017 Vacuum Chamber Experiment: Can Flies Fly in a Vacuum: Is NASA B.S.???
seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:49 AM)
beer  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:47 AM)
Or, in other words, you think you're smarter than OP and most people in the world. Jptdknpa

You really don't read what I write do you? I claimed that I am not and wanted to see what others had to say about this topic.

Man... read again. I'm not responding to your post.

beer  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:47 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:36 AM)
When I first got into conspiracy theory 20 years ago it was the elite of minds, the smartest of the smart who has seen through the system and debated among themselves what was going on and what to do with it. Geniuses. Today the CT world is a joke populated by people who didn't bother getting an orthodox education god knows what thinks they have a right to dabble in the unorthodox when they don't know what the orthodox information is.

Or, in other words, you think you're smarter than OP and most people in the world. Jptdknpa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect

"…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result."

- A. Einstein
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RE: The Oct 3, 2017 Vacuum Chamber Experiment: Can Flies Fly in a Vacuum: Is NASA B.S.???
beer  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:57 AM)
seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:49 AM)
You really don't read what I write do you? I claimed that I am not and wanted to see what others had to say about this topic.

Man... read again. I'm not responding to your post.

beer  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:47 AM)
Or, in other words, you think you're smarter than OP and most people in the world. Jptdknpa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect

Flatty fight!

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beer  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:57 AM)
seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:49 AM)
You really don't read what I write do you? I claimed that I am not and wanted to see what others had to say about this topic.

Man... read again. I'm not responding to your post.

Sorry, misread then. Anyways I'm off for many hours, back later.
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seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 09:35 AM)
Peaceful human  Wrote: (10-12-2017 08:43 AM)
Nobody wants to have a discussion, because that would require consideration from all parties involved, at the very least all should be able to agree to disagree.

Having said that, assumptions based on particle physics are just that.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but it is the truth.

Space is not a particle.

Space is not a vacuum.

Gravity is not a particle.

But to be able to consider the hypothetical of what they are, one must be willing to learn about non particle physics of unifying fields.

If you are a flat earth or a round earth particle theorist I already know what you are gonna say, chuckle

Space was always called a vacuum when I was in school. When did that change?

I really thought this was a good topic. Those experiments are very interesting and completely repeatable. Its real science.

It is a good topic if people discuss physics and science in a way that they can do the experiments to prove or disprove what is being presented.

What is a vacuum?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum
Vacuum is space void of matter.

In the classical physics observed in everyday life, matter is any substance that has mass and takes up space by having volume. This includes atoms and anything made up of these, but not other energy phenomena or waves such as light or sound.[1][2] More generally, however, in (modern) physics, matter is not a fundamental concept because a universal definition of it is elusive; for example, the elementary constituents of atoms may be point particles, each having no volume individually.


In the experiment within the vessel or container, was a perfect vacuum established in that, space void of matter.

The answer is no.

Or do you disagree?

Popcorn
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I actually read a book about this.

They make a shuttle and are testing it in a vacuum chamber when an anti-matter shift happens and every living thing on the earth dies. Except for the astronauts in the chamber and the flight crew in the ISS.
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seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:47 AM)
Seems to me, after watching the first two videos, that there is no way that a space craft can propel itself away from the gravitational pull of the Earth upon/after entering into the vacuum of space, it would simply fall back to gravitational pull of Earth of gravity were real (gravity currently is only a theory). That is if our gravity equations are correct.

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Vacuum is space void of matter. The word stems from the Latin adjective vacuus for "vacant" or "void". An approximation to such vacuum is a region with a gaseous pressure much less than atmospheric pressure.[1] Physicists often discuss ideal test results that would occur in a perfect vacuum, which they sometimes simply call "vacuum" or free space, and use the term partial vacuum to refer to an actual imperfect vacuum as one might have in a laboratory or in space. In engineering and applied physics on the other hand, vacuum refers to any space in which the pressure is lower than atmospheric pressure.[2] The Latin term in vacuo is used to describe an object that is surrounded by a vacuum.

The quality of a partial vacuum refers to how closely it approaches a perfect vacuum. Other things equal, lower gas pressure means higher-quality vacuum. For example, a typical vacuum cleaner produces enough suction to reduce air pressure by around 20%.[3] Much higher-quality vacuums are possible. Ultra-high vacuum chambers, common in chemistry, physics, and engineering, operate below one trillionth (10−12) of atmospheric pressure (100 nPa), and can reach around 100 particles/cm3.[4] Outer space is an even higher-quality vacuum, with the equivalent of just a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter on average.[5] According to modern understanding, even if all matter could be removed from a volume, it would still not be "empty" due to vacuum fluctuations, dark energy, transiting gamma rays, cosmic rays, neutrinos, and other phenomena in quantum physics.

That is a lot of assumptions and contradictions, or definitions that are disinformation.

Space is not a particle of matter.

So if outer space has voids between the hydrogen atom matter, what are the voids made of?

God particles of matter, chuckle

Vacuum is a pressure differential within the atmosphere of this planet, that will always contain particle matter.

NASA is so full of BS they should change their name NASABS, chuckle
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PopEye  Wrote: (10-12-2017 07:06 PM)
seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:47 AM)
Seems to me, after watching the first two videos, that there is no way that a space craft can propel itself away from the gravitational pull of the Earth upon/after entering into the vacuum of space, it would simply fall back to gravitational pull of Earth of gravity were real (gravity currently is only a theory). That is if our gravity equations are correct.

facepalm

And enter Brutus, that never posts anything of value, or starts its own threads.

Wanna be mod, or wanna be human, chuckle
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Peaceful human  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:58 PM)
In the experiment within the vessel or container, was a perfect vacuum established in that, space void of matter

The answer is no.

Or do you disagree?

Popcorn

For their experiment to have been a perfect vacuum all air would have been pumped out, but that was not the case. The guy pumped it out in fractions to see what the results would be under the various percentage levels of the vacuum. He proved that propulsion was lost long before a perfect vacuum was reached. As such, space would not need to be a perfect vacuum. If the guy had reached a temperature of Absolute Zero then a perfect vacuum condition would have been obtained. Instead, in his temperature video he showed how far the temperature actually went down to given his vacuum level. The temperature of outer space is purported to be 3 degrees kelvin. The guy didn't even get down to single digits, which means space for all of its supposed mass and whatnot makes no difference as propulsion was lost long before 3 degrees kelvin in his partial vacuum experiment.

"Apr 25, 2017 - The average temperature of empty space between celestial bodies is calculated at 3 kelvins (minus 270.15 degrees Celsius or minus 457.87 degrees Fahrenheit)." https://sciencing.com/temperatures-outer...20254.html
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 07:01 PM)
I actually read a book about this.

They make a shuttle and are testing it in a vacuum chamber when an anti-matter shift happens and every living thing on the earth dies. Except for the astronauts in the chamber and the flight crew in the ISS.

That is what I was thinking about this morning, if we could build a long vacuum chamber and use a scaled down multi-propulsion shuttle in it to check to see if all propulsion is lost or not. In that way we could also check the validity of NASA's claims that certain types of its crafts actually went anywhere. If their models have no propulsion in vacuum tubes then they are either full of sh*t or outer space does not follow any sort of physics of vacuums.
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seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:47 AM)
Seems to me, after watching the first two videos, that there is no way that a space craft can propel itself away from the gravitational pull of the Earth upon/after entering into the vacuum of space, it would simply fall back to gravitational pull of Earth of gravity were real (gravity currently is only a theory). That is if our gravity equations are correct.

well that's why they are using propulsion systems like rockets,and gravity assist, a gravitational slingshot, gravity assist maneuver, or swing-by is the use of the relative movement (e.g. orbit around the Sun) and gravity of a planet or other astronomical object to alter the path and speed of a spacecraft, typically to save propellant, time, and expense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist
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pauldamo  Wrote: (10-12-2017 11:16 PM)
seasnake  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:47 AM)
Seems to me, after watching the first two videos, that there is no way that a space craft can propel itself away from the gravitational pull of the Earth upon/after entering into the vacuum of space, it would simply fall back to gravitational pull of Earth of gravity were real (gravity currently is only a theory). That is if our gravity equations are correct.

well that's why they are using propulsion systems like rockets,and gravity assist, a gravitational slingshot, gravity assist maneuver, or swing-by is the use of the relative movement (e.g. orbit around the Sun) and gravity of a planet or other astronomical object to alter the path and speed of a spacecraft, typically to save propellant, time, and expense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist

but how would you explain landing upon the moon, and then launching off of the moon, and then returning to Earth... each launch would surely require a new rocket separation
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Part of NASA's funding is for experimentation, and there is really a limited number of experiments that can be done and you have to remember that imaging equipment and other equipment have changed over the decades and of course there are all sorts of new tools for information gathering.

Why the fly test again? Because in order to get the money you have to produce 'something' to fund.

Another part of the funding is for 'education' of the masses. Posting the 'experiment' on YouTube is considered 'educational'. Since there are a lot of kids out there who have never seen a fly in vacuum.

And I'm willing to bet that that multi-million dollar "space simulator" vacuum chamber is a new one which gets better removal of atmosphere.

Granted NASA gave Congress the "bill" for all of this funding and they upped the tally to generate more funds for other real things like... um... what ever current "major project" is in the works.
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