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America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
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10-13-2017 11:25 AM

 



Post: #61
RE: America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 02:57 PM)
Lately, I've read a lot of articles about how things are changing in one are or other of American society and culture.

Grocery stores are going out of business left and right. The newer generations don't cook at home.
They order out.

DIY stores are in trouble because their customer base of people who fix things and upgrade their homes.
Younger generations aren't interested in owning their own home. They rent apartments and homes.
They can't even hammer a nail without instructions apparently or do more than change a lightbulb.

Millenials and I-gens aren't interested in cars or driving. It may be the real driving force in having self driving cars because they could see that their business models were going to suffer well into the future.
But, that is not the answer. These will probably just expect to rely on Uber or taxis to get them anywhere.

They have been the driving force behind the growth of Amazon and personal shopping stores like Shipt.
They don't want to shop, they want a box delivered to their door because well, they aren't driving, see the above.

Newer generations don't go to church as much.
They don't watch NFL football.
They don't watch network TV and News. And that's probably a good thing.

In short, the apple pie, football, cars, and America meme of who America thinks they are is changing.
The fundamental identity of being a prosperous and "good" people is diverging, as well.

We are not a melting pot. We are a double boiler that is distilling us into distinct haves and have nots.
We are becoming diverse on the one hand and completely hand-held two dimensional on the other.

How do you see the landscape of America as a country going forward? Suburban subdivisions sprouting up as far as the eye can see going away and going back to seedy overgrowth as these new gens seek life in gentrified inner city dwellings? Walkable cities and bikeable closeness being their chief requirements?

It's all happening so fast it seems impossible that the changes are natural or organic. It feels more like someone is causing the changes. From behind the scenes? Everything described above that people no longer know how or want to do has to do with self-sufficiency. Sounds like a new world of helpless babies. Who then builds the houses and cooks the food? Robots?
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Fork 5G
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Post: #62
RE: America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 02:57 PM)
Lately, I've read a lot of articles about how things are changing in one are or other of American society and culture.

Grocery stores are going out of business left and right. The newer generations don't cook at home.
They order out.

DIY stores are in trouble because their customer base of people who fix things and upgrade their homes.
Younger generations aren't interested in owning their own home. They rent apartments and homes.
They can't even hammer a nail without instructions apparently or do more than change a lightbulb.

Millenials and I-gens aren't interested in cars or driving. It may be the real driving force in having self driving cars because they could see that their business models were going to suffer well into the future.
But, that is not the answer. These will probably just expect to rely on Uber or taxis to get them anywhere.

They have been the driving force behind the growth of Amazon and personal shopping stores like Shipt.
They don't want to shop, they want a box delivered to their door because well, they aren't driving, see the above.

Newer generations don't go to church as much.
They don't watch NFL football.
They don't watch network TV and News. And that's probably a good thing.

In short, the apple pie, football, cars, and America meme of who America thinks they are is changing.
The fundamental identity of being a prosperous and "good" people is diverging, as well.

We are not a melting pot. We are a double boiler that is distilling us into distinct haves and have nots.
We are becoming diverse on the one hand and completely hand-held two dimensional on the other.

How do you see the landscape of America as a country going forward? Suburban subdivisions sprouting up as far as the eye can see going away and going back to seedy overgrowth as these new gens seek life in gentrified inner city dwellings? Walkable cities and bikeable closeness being their chief requirements?

You can't blame the way the early adopters of all things tech are using tools in this unfolding Information Age.... it's just another transition into a new era of tools.

Do you think Trump is modern Presidential because he uses twitter to bit*h at us?

Yes, I added a politically divisive example to match your attitude about Americans future.
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RE: America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
I have never thought suburban sprawl was a good model for community growth. It is a waste of resources and promotes greed.
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10-13-2017 02:20 PM

 



Post: #64
RE: America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-13-2017 11:14 AM)
I think you are looking at this from a large city perspective. In the country, we have to drive. We have to own a house (rents cost as much as a house payment). We do order from Amazon - not because we don't like to shop, but shopping on-line sure beats driving 1 1/2 hours to the nearest large town to shop where you might (or might not) find what you are looking for. We do cook, but we enjoy eating out, too. Eating out can be very expensive ($100 for a couple) or cheap ($15 per couple). Sometimes, when you want tacos or pizza it is cheaper to eat out than to buy all the ingredients and cook.

I can't say that today is any different from 50 years ago regarding people in the city renting or not driving. Who wants to drive in NY? Who can afford housing in NY? That's not anything new.

With regarding houses - especially in high dollar areas, there are other things at play. The rural area I moved to has a couple of lakes. It costs a minimum of $1,000,000 to buy a house on the lakes, and $1m gets you a shack. I wondered who could afford those expensive vacation properties of $2-$6m - how many millionaires are in the Atlanta area, anyway? Came to realize that the places are not often even sold - just handed down to the next generation. So I don't think I would worry too much about the Millennials. They might be working for squat money, but they will inherit their grandparent's places (grandparents paid $20k for them and they are now worth $2m). Just sayin... My friend lives in one of these lake homes - inherited from her mother. They make about $50k per year and they live in a million-dollar inherited house.

So, you think that Millenials will have it made. They have no drive because they are all sitting around waiting to inherit property. They will have jobs. Just not jobs that paid like the generation before them. Or even the one before that on a ratio basis adjusted for inflation.

Well, it seems like they will be winning the lotto in life, right? Or like a game show?
You know what happens to them usually? They can't pay the taxes on their winnings after awhile. Poor people who win cars end up selling them to pay the taxes and keep whatever's left over but they don't get to keep the car.

People making $50 grand a year can't afford to keep up Million dollar homes in taxes and insurance and wind up selling them, too. So did the nations farmers. The large land holdings necessary to run a farm were split off and sold off because they didn't know how to farm to make them work or had other life plans.

Unless legal planning left them a trust that paid the lifetime of taxes and insurance on the properties, the next generation is seldom able to become modern day landed gentry to hang on to their legacy.

Almost everybody has a story to tell about this experience. Going back several generations in my family, I find I had grandparents who owned vast swathes of land on the St. John's River in Florida given in land grands by Spain. None of the next few generations had any portion of this land.
I have grand parents that owned valuable land in Florida when they were young. It was held by a group of brothers. Mine sold off their's to pay for huge medical expenses for my grandmother who had cancer back in the 60s. Back when it wasn't nearly as common as today. Several of the families in this group all had cancer.
Today only one grandson has a small lot of this much larger property today.

Back then people didn't value the land because it was cheap and plentiful. They could not envision how expensive taxes would become. How expensive land in certain areas would become. How massive the changes during their lifetimes would be. I have seen a lot in my lifetime, too that I could never have imagined when I was in grade school. But, looking at the lives of my grandparents and great-grandparents the changes in their lives they lived to see were phenomenal and probably not replicated by any other generation.

Most of life was pretty much the same for generation upon generation for many centuries until the 20th Century. At which point, something happened that drastically changed the world. The technological era. But, what comes after?
More and more in an endless stream of breathtaking changes? Or an abrupt end to it due to lack of foresight?
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10-13-2017 02:31 PM

 



Post: #65
RE: America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
Fork 5G  Wrote: (10-13-2017 01:01 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 02:57 PM)
Lately, I've read a lot of articles about how things are changing in one are or other of American society and culture.

Grocery stores are going out of business left and right. The newer generations don't cook at home.
They order out.

DIY stores are in trouble because their customer base of people who fix things and upgrade their homes.
Younger generations aren't interested in owning their own home. They rent apartments and homes.
They can't even hammer a nail without instructions apparently or do more than change a lightbulb.

Millenials and I-gens aren't interested in cars or driving. It may be the real driving force in having self driving cars because they could see that their business models were going to suffer well into the future.
But, that is not the answer. These will probably just expect to rely on Uber or taxis to get them anywhere.

They have been the driving force behind the growth of Amazon and personal shopping stores like Shipt.
They don't want to shop, they want a box delivered to their door because well, they aren't driving, see the above.

Newer generations don't go to church as much.
They don't watch NFL football.
They don't watch network TV and News. And that's probably a good thing.

In short, the apple pie, football, cars, and America meme of who America thinks they are is changing.
The fundamental identity of being a prosperous and "good" people is diverging, as well.

We are not a melting pot. We are a double boiler that is distilling us into distinct haves and have nots.
We are becoming diverse on the one hand and completely hand-held two dimensional on the other.

How do you see the landscape of America as a country going forward? Suburban subdivisions sprouting up as far as the eye can see going away and going back to seedy overgrowth as these new gens seek life in gentrified inner city dwellings? Walkable cities and bikeable closeness being their chief requirements?

You can't blame the way the early adopters of all things tech are using tools in this unfolding Information Age.... it's just another transition into a new era of tools.

Do you think Trump is modern Presidential because he uses twitter to bit*h at us?

Yes, I added a politically divisive example to match your attitude about Americans future.

I look at the people around me and they are all staring at their phones everywhere they go. Walking down the street. Driving, (danger danger). It seems to be about nothing. It has a falseness to it. A pretension surrounding it.
Sure some conversations or texts are important but most of it is blather.
Including the Texter in Chief.

To me, it's tantamount to a person who all they know about a car is to put the gas in it and drive. Ignoring maintenance and upkeep until it leaves them stranded on the side of the road.
That's how I view the Information Age. It's a big, high tech, complicated piece of Rube Goldberg machinery hooked up to a rickety fuse box in the nation's basement that nobody has tinkered with in years.
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10-13-2017 02:37 PM

 



Post: #66
RE: America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
Fork 5G  Wrote: (10-13-2017 01:56 PM)
I have never thought suburban sprawl was a good model for community growth. It is a waste of resources and promotes greed.

Yeah, all those subdivision are the equivalent of the half-leased or never-leased string of plazas that were over-built during the 90s that stand moldering all over America.

Later, I am going to write about my experience while I was away from the thread yesterday. I had to travel to an area that has seen astounding growth in my lifetime that I hadn't been to in over 20 years. But, I don't have the time right now.
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Post: #67
RE: America is Changing, Have You Noticed?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-13-2017 04:38 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-13-2017 04:17 AM)
so what

So, I thought it was an interesting topic.
You have to know the context. I was raised in a time and place that put great store in the stability of the system. You were sold it from school to the TV and family.
You almost believe it true. You could not imagine what would come along to change everything short of war on our doorsteps.

Yet, a massive change has come to the people without firing a shot. There was a takeover. There was an insidious to the foundation stones, revelation of truth to who we were before and are now.

It inarguably began in the '60s. With the Vietnam War. The assassination of the President. The civil rights movement on the one side of the balance and the "Great Society" debacle on the other. The unleashing of Playboy and the Sexual revolution and the unraveling of this aforementioned supposed civil society and system that was set in stone.

It has been upended and for better or worse we are people who do not have any basic foundation on where or what to build the future in any sort of cohesive way.
Mainly because there are no shared values as a people that are worthwhile, save the Constitution and the Bible or a universally accepted moral compass of some sort.

The Civil Rights movement became a gender equality movement and women have learned to behave like men and expect to be treated like men unless they see it as a lack of respect. The sexual revolution became the gender revolution where sexual orientation is being confused with biology and chromosomes rather than sexual preference. Forgiveness became tolerance and correction became intolerance concerning ideas about racism on up to fascism. While the youth of the 60's protested the Vietnam War, agent orange and nuclear holocaust, this generation protests statues, separate bathrooms, gender pronouns and all kinds of ridiculous dumbed down crap while calling themselves warriors, yet behaving like victims that are willing to use violence to change the minds of the intelligent.
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