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Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
Blue Dude
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10-12-2017 06:22 PM

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RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
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House of M  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:17 PM)
Bottom line, if Americans end up being WORSE OFF, he has assured Republican defeat in the next election.

That's almost impossible though.

20 million people got sh*t-kicked out of the networks they were happy with, and had to buy more expensive insurance with inferior coverages.
Out of Pocket ballooned.
Coverage increasing every year at double digits.
The CBO's estimate of how many people would be enrolled by now was more than a 100% higher than what happened.
Insurance companies started making record profits.
poor people got dumped on medicaid, but good luck actually finding a doctor.
and the government subsidy fund to offset potential losses due to the obamcare markets was double what was expected.

This sh*t needs to go and be replaced with sensible free-market reforms that can allow markets to lower costs.
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10-12-2017 06:38 PM

 



Post: #17
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
House of M  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:17 PM)
Bottom line, if Americans end up being WORSE OFF, he has assured Republican defeat in the next election.

If if if. Get the fuk outta my country. Lmao



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House of M
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10-12-2017 06:49 PM

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Post: #18
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
I'm not sure how subtracting millions from the "bottom line" due to the added burden of marketing and advertising costs to stimulate "competition" is going to reduce the cost of health care. Oh wait, they will probably work out a "gentelmen's agreement" among themselves like they have now, not to tread on one anothers carved out territories, thus preventing competition, which they do not want.

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Karu
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10-12-2017 09:55 PM

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Post: #19
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 05:21 PM)
Obamacare IS a text book case of FASCISM in action.
Citizens are by Govt coercion and force made to PAY for Corporate Services from govt approved and regulated corporations who write their own regulations. Services the average forced customers / victim can not afford because deductibles are so high and most services go to the ELITE who can afford or because of position are granted the Cadillac Plans.
Punishments are in place for non-compliant eaters.

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Damrod
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10-12-2017 10:08 PM

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Post: #20
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
House of M  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:17 PM)
Bottom line, if Americans end up being WORSE OFF, he has assured Republican defeat in the next election.

I will be much better off when I am no longer being forced to use my money for something I do not want to use it for. I will decide when to buy things....not nanny/Police state.

Your socialistic views are the problem, not my desire for free will and freedom of choice.

So you think the free and subsidized healthcare is great...why? So they can have more cheap opiates to get addicted to?

You do realize those subsidies and freebies have to be paid for by someone correct? You do realize the government doesn't "make" anything...they take it from someone else.

You are applauding the institutional robbery of others...nice work House of Mental.

There is no Robin Hood btw...they steal from the middle class, keep most of it and throw the crumbs to the even less well off and poor. If you think they are taking all that money from their rich buddies...you are an idiot

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson

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10-12-2017 10:11 PM

 



Post: #21
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Blue Dude  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:18 PM)
Sad. A week too late to save Tom Petty.

How do you "save" someone with a DNR?
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House of M
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10-12-2017 10:36 PM

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Post: #22
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
Damrod  Wrote: (10-12-2017 10:08 PM)
House of M  Wrote: (10-12-2017 06:17 PM)
Bottom line, if Americans end up being WORSE OFF, he has assured Republican defeat in the next election.

I will be much better off when I am no longer being forced to use my money for something I do not want to use it for. I will decide when to buy things....not nanny/Police state.

Your socialistic views are the problem, not my desire for free will and freedom of choice.

So you think the free and subsidized healthcare is great...why? So they can have more cheap opiates to get addicted to?

You do realize those subsidies and freebies have to be paid for by someone correct? You do realize the government doesn't "make" anything...they take it from someone else.

You are applauding the institutional robbery of others...nice work House of Mental.

There is no Robin Hood btw...they steal from the middle class, keep most of it and throw the crumbs to the even less well off and poor. If you think they are taking all that money from their rich buddies...you are an idiot

Looks like it's time for another smooch!!

C'mere now!!

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10-12-2017 11:44 PM

 



Post: #23
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 05:21 PM)
Obamacare IS a text book case of FASCISM in action.
Citizens are by Govt coercion and force made to PAY for Corporate Services from govt approved and regulated corporations who write their own regulations. Services the average forced customers / victim can not afford because deductibles are so high and most services go to the ELITE who can afford or because of position are granted the Cadillac Plans.
Punishments are in place for non-compliant eaters.

Yep. Sickens me how stupid people are
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Rayne
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10-13-2017 12:05 AM

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Post: #24
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I am not seeing any mention of dropping the mandatory status. It is looking as if they are killing everything BUT that.
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10-13-2017 12:16 AM

 



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RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
Rayne  Wrote: (10-13-2017 12:05 AM)
I am not seeing any mention of dropping the mandatory status. It is looking as if they are killing everything BUT that.

Trump already told the irs and the very sexy lady accountants that line 61 does not have to be filled out on your 1040. If you don't know what that means then you're one of the worthless women are nice wanting everybody to pay for your healthcare
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10-13-2017 12:33 AM

 



Post: #26
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Here's the scoop, you guys can take it or leave it..

Healthcare in America is VERY expensive for the quality of care received. The current system is probably beyond repair.

The reason Americans were able to afford the relatively affordable healthcare of the past decades is because of the advantage of being the issuer of the world's reserve currency. This privilege essentially ensured the rest of the world paid for America's high standard of living.

This is now ending which is why HC will become even more expensive over the coming years, along with the decline in general standard of living for most Americans.


You might not like to accept these facts but you will see I'm correct as it happens before your very eyes.
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VM
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10-13-2017 12:37 AM

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Post: #27
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-13-2017 12:33 AM)
Here's the scoop, you guys can take it or leave it..

Healthcare in America is VERY expensive for the quality of care received. The current system is probably beyond repair.

The reason Americans were able to afford the relatively affordable healthcare of the past decades is because of the advantage of being the issuer of the world's reserve currency. This privilege essentially ensured the rest of the world paid for America's high standard of living.

This is now ending which is why HC will become even more expensive over the coming years, along with the decline in general standard of living for most Americans.


You might not like to accept these facts but you will see I'm correct as it happens before your very eyes.

I'm seeing it as a retiree right now. $700 week take home and I'm poor.
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10-13-2017 12:52 AM

 



Post: #28
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
VM  Wrote: (10-13-2017 12:37 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-13-2017 12:33 AM)
Here's the scoop, you guys can take it or leave it..

Healthcare in America is VERY expensive for the quality of care received. The current system is probably beyond repair.

The reason Americans were able to afford the relatively affordable healthcare of the past decades is because of the advantage of being the issuer of the world's reserve currency. This privilege essentially ensured the rest of the world paid for America's high standard of living.

This is now ending which is why HC will become even more expensive over the coming years, along with the decline in general standard of living for most Americans.


You might not like to accept these facts but you will see I'm correct as it happens before your very eyes.

I'm seeing it as a retiree right now. $700 week take home and I'm poor.


I'm sorry but it will get much worse before it gets better. All pensions both public and private are insolvent or close to it, Medicare and all other unfunded liabilities as well. The promises will not and cannot be kept.
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BlackGhost
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10-13-2017 12:54 AM

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Post: #29
RE: Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with Executive Order
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-12-2017 05:21 PM)
Obamacare IS a text book case of FASCISM in action.
Citizens are by Govt coercion and force made to PAY for Corporate Services from govt approved and regulated corporations who write their own regulations. Services the average forced customers / victim can not afford because deductibles are so high and most services go to the ELITE who can afford or because of position are granted the Cadillac Plans.
Punishments are in place for non-compliant eaters.

this ^^^

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10-13-2017 01:00 AM

 



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Hmmm, I thought it was supposed to collapse on its own? Since the repeal efforts failed and all.
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