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The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
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RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
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Coal is so cheap and inexpensive, they let coal mine fires go on for decades.

America is the Saudi Arabia of coal X 10.



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Post: #17
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Wasn't so long ago we were watching Ozzy loading his furnace with coal, you all forget everything
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Coal will be worth Alot esp when the chaos really hits America


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Look at the LOSERS whine. Music to my ears.

Don't know about music but they are as amusing as hell.
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Post: #20
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Really? It's over?

I'll bet that it won't be very long until you are here whining and bitching about something about coal.
Lmao
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Coal now only provides occasional back-up energy in the U.K., mostly on sunless and wind-free winter days.


Quote:For four decades, it has been one of the world’s largest coal power plants, often generating a tenth of the U.K.’s electricity. It has been the lodestar for the final phase of Britain’s 250-year-long love affair with coal – the fuel that built the country’s empire and industrialized the world.

But no more.

The coal-devouring behemoth, and the endless trains of railroad wagons feeding it with fuel from coastal ports, is suddenly a relic of the past. In one of the greatest and fastest energy turnarounds in the developed world, the country that brought the world the industrial revolution – a revolution founded and sustained by burning coal – has cut the cord.

King Coal is, almost overnight, being banished from Britain.

When Drax opened for business in 1974, Britain got 80 percent of its electricity from burning coal. As recently as five years ago, the figure was 40 percent. But last year, it was 9 percent, and this summer coal supplied less than 2 percent of Britain’s electricity. On April 21, 2017, for the first time since its inception, the British power grid went 24 hours without coal.

The zing in the power lines now comes almost entirely from natural gas, nuclear, and growing networks of giant wind turbines and solar farms.

http://e360.yale.edu/features/in-a-stunn...ng-of-coal

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GERMANY’S TRANSITION FROM COAL TO RENEWABLE ENERGY OFFERS LESSONS FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD


Quote:The move away from hard coal has left a lingering legacy in some cities, where unemployment can exceed 10 percent. Still, overall it “was really a soft and just transition,” says Stefanie Groll, head of Environmental Policy and Sustainability at the Heinrich Boll Foundation in Berlin. “In the Ruhr area, union representatives and local politicians worked out a plan to compensate and requalify people who worked in the coal industry,” she says. For families like Spahn’s, it was a success: under pressure from the labor unions, the mines where his sons worked launched a proactive campaign in 1994 to train employees for different careers. “My one son is now a professional security guard and the other is a landscaper,” he says.

https://www.climaterealityproject.org/bl...rest-world
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-16-2017 07:55 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (10-16-2017 06:29 PM)
Coal can’t compete with cheaper clean energy. The Trump administration can’t save expensive, dirty energy.


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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...-coal-lost

This is mostly bullshit.

I'm sure there is some downsides to burning coal, but I can't think of any offhand.

The benefits of burning coal are over $1 trillion per year - and that is just from the 60% more fish, food, and fiber from post 1900 CO2.

The massive number of wild animals that we saved from extinction with more CO2 hasn't been tallied.

If we burn enough coal we could be getting half of our food (100% increase) from more CO2.

Isn't it amazing how so many have been fooled into thinking an essential nutrient CO2 is a poison?
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This is mostly bullshit.

I'm sure there is some downsides to burning coal, but I can't think of any offhand.

The benefits of burning coal are over $1 trillion per year - and that is just from the 60% more fish, food, and fiber from post 1900 CO2.

The massive number of wild animals that we saved from extinction with more CO2 hasn't been tallied.

If we burn enough coal we could be getting half of our food (100% increase) from more CO2.

Isn't it amazing how so many have been fooled into thinking an essential nutrient CO2 is a poison?

Liberals are really that stupid, might as well tax oxygen. You have a house plant, more taxes for you!
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Quote:But while Trump's push for fossil fuels risks cooking the planet and stalling economic growth, the rollback of the Clean Power Plan may not be as consequential as it first appears.

For one thing, no amount of regulatory shenanigans will save the coal industry. The simple fact is, the cost curves for renewable power like solar and wind are declining fast, while coal is getting ever more expensive to mine and burn. It's highly unlikely anybody is going to build a new coal plant in America ever again. (Globally, it's a different story.) In addition, cheap natural gas has gutted the coal industry; why burn dirty coal when gas is cleaner, cheaper and easier to transport? The happy upside of all this is that, even without the Clean Power Plan, the U.S. is on track to meet the climate goals in the power plant sector set out by the Paris deal. Keeping the Clean Power Plan intact would certainly help accelerate that progress, and every ton of carbon dumped into the atmosphere pushes us deeper into climate chaos – but there's a reason why when I ask clean energy entrepreneurs about Pruitt's rollback, they often shrug. Coal is roadkill on the highway of progress.

The second point is that this rollback is going to be a political fiasco, in large part because the EPA is legally required to regulate carbon pollution in a way that reduces the danger it poses to public health. Over at Vox, David Roberts does a great job of laying out the political box that Pruitt and the Republicans have built for themselves on this, and I encourage everyone to read his piece. The legal framework is straightforward: In 2007, the Supreme Court ruled, in Massachusetts v. EPA, that carbon dioxide qualifies as an air pollutant under the Clean Air Act. If the EPA determines carbon is a danger to public health, the Court said, it must regulate carbon to reduce that danger. In 2009, the EPA issued its Endangerment Finding, demonstrating – based on intensive research and documentation – that greenhouse gases are in fact a danger to public health. So Pruitt can dance around all he wants, but in the end the EPA is going to have to come up with a plan to significantly reduce carbon pollution. As Roberts writes, "We return to the central dilemma facing conservatives here: They are determined to protect coal, but there's no way to reduce emissions from the electricity sector without closing coal plants (or switching them to a different fuel)."

For Pruitt and his fossil fuel cronies, the real target here is the Endangerment Finding. As David Doniger, director of the climate and clean air program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, told me for a profile of Pruitt I wrote earlier this year:

"The goal is to destroy the legal foundation for greenhouse-gas regulations of any kind. Pruitt will either have to prove that accumulation of all greenhouse gases isn't damaging, or that contributions from vehicles and power plants aren't contributing to the problem. And he will need to document it all with a double Mount Everest of data to offset the Mount Everest of data that shows that accumulated pollution does indeed endanger public health and welfare. No one thinks it's possible, especially with his resources and staff. He will be laughed out of court."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fea...al-w508077
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DirtyAnnie  Wrote: (10-16-2017 06:49 PM)
well I live in coal country and they are mining like crazy here

Coming from you that sounds kind of Gay! Lmao
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (10-17-2017 02:30 PM)
GERMANY’S TRANSITION FROM COAL TO RENEWABLE ENERGY OFFERS LESSONS FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD


Quote:The move away from hard coal has left a lingering legacy in some cities, where unemployment can exceed 10 percent. Still, overall it “was really a soft and just transition,” says Stefanie Groll, head of Environmental Policy and Sustainability at the Heinrich Boll Foundation in Berlin. “In the Ruhr area, union representatives and local politicians worked out a plan to compensate and requalify people who worked in the coal industry,” she says. For families like Spahn’s, it was a success: under pressure from the labor unions, the mines where his sons worked launched a proactive campaign in 1994 to train employees for different careers. “My one son is now a professional security guard and the other is a landscaper,” he says.

https://www.climaterealityproject.org/bl...rest-world

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...revolution

http://notrickszone.com/2016/03/17/grand...4yZIk.dpbs

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/...in-germany

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Bottom line is there is more BTUs in coal delivered per dollar to get it to the load user than any other BTU source. You must count maintenance, transportation, taxation, land costs, etc. of the BTU source whether it be solar, crude, wind, nuclear or coal. Nuke is the best but regulatory costs push it down in the charts.
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v³Exceed  Wrote: (10-17-2017 06:03 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (10-17-2017 02:30 PM)
GERMANY’S TRANSITION FROM COAL TO RENEWABLE ENERGY OFFERS LESSONS FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD



https://www.climaterealityproject.org/bl...rest-world

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...revolution

http://notrickszone.com/2016/03/17/grand...4yZIk.dpbs

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/...in-germany

If you are going to post lies, at least try to make them believable...

Germany doubled its cost of electric power. If you double the cost of a needed (not luxury) commodity, you shrink the economy. People have less money. Goods and services cost more, since virtually all goods and services require electric power.

Increasing the price of electric power lowers the standard of living and costs jobs. The national economy has shrunk (less comsumption/less disposable income), higher production costs cause an exports decline, and imports increase (because of higher local production costs).

The claim is that renewable energy creates jobs. Well, much like the claim there is anthropogenic global warming that much is true.

The subtext is that Renewable Energy creates a net increase in employment, and AGW is catastrophic. These claims are both damned lies. Renewable energy destroys far more jobs than it creates, and AGW is beneficial - to the tune of trillions per year.

The claim that renewable energy doesn't cost jobs brings you to the constant quandary about any claim by the left: are they barefaced liars, or are they really that stupid?
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