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The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
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RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
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The AC has an agenda. I believe his job depends on the global warming fraud. He is desperate now that the world has figured it out. So much money goes to the fraud it is unbelievable, the US spends $27 billion a year on it and the world $1.5 trillion, all for NOTHING!

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Post: #32
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (10-16-2017 06:29 PM)
Coal can’t compete with cheaper clean energy. The Trump administration can’t save expensive, dirty energy.

Quote:Pruitt’s Clean Power Plan repeal justification is largely based on bogus economics, which the Trump administration is using to reduce government estimates of the ‘social cost of carbon.’ This figure – which estimates how much a ton of carbon pollution costs society in terms of damages caused by climate change – is integral to many government policies. A majority of economists think the government’s estimate is too low, but Pruitt’s EPA manipulated the math by ignoring the costs of America’s carbon pollution to the rest of the world, and by using a high discount rate, which essentially says we care more about saving money now than preventing climate damages and suffering for future generations.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...-coal-lost

old chart. from Obama.
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Post: #33
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-17-2017 10:31 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (10-16-2017 06:29 PM)
Coal can’t compete with cheaper clean energy. The Trump administration can’t save expensive, dirty energy.


link to image: https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c057ae772...b05a22f4d1


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...-coal-lost

old chart. from Obama.

link to image: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images...6/main.png

Coal production in the US has switched from declining to increasing in just one year.

And it is going to set new records for production in 2018.

If having a higher score is what losing looks like, most football teams would rather "lose".
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Post: #34
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
No name fits  Wrote: (10-16-2017 08:39 PM)
Damrod  Wrote: (10-16-2017 06:36 PM)
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I love you idiots...

When the grid goes down either from age, inefficiency or attack...you are so going to wish you had a couple lumps of coal to stave off freezing to death in winter. I really hope you live somewhere that gets really cold.

Beyond that, coal liquification to gasoline works but it is very inefficient. Once oil prices start to rise again and get to a certain point, the liquification process will become more viable from a cost perspective. There was a liquification plant not 10 miles from where I lived as a kid. It works just fine but this was back in the 70's and oil was a lot cheaper then. It couldn't compete back then...but it will eventually.

Coal is not going away fucktard...it will be back in due time...

I plan on making as much acid rain as possible just to piss dipshits like you off....
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Post: #35
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
No name fits  Wrote: (10-16-2017 08:39 PM)
Damrod  Wrote: (10-16-2017 06:36 PM)
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I love you idiots...

When the grid goes down either from age, inefficiency or attack...you are so going to wish you had a couple lumps of coal to stave off freezing to death in winter. I really hope you live somewhere that gets really cold.

Beyond that, coal liquification to gasoline works but it is very inefficient. Once oil prices start to rise again and get to a certain point, the liquification process will become more viable from a cost perspective. There was a liquification plant not 10 miles from where I lived as a kid. It works just fine but this was back in the 70's and oil was a lot cheaper then. It couldn't compete back then...but it will eventually.

Coal is not going away fucktard...it will be back in due time...

I plan on making as much acid rain as possible just to piss dipshits like you off....
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Post: #36
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
Derp from derps
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Post: #37
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
yep OP.

coal hillbillies should move to a major city in China where they can enjoy the filthy smog of their beloved power source in full flavor.
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Australia’s eminent health experts call on BHP’s shareholders to reject coal interests and put health first

Doctors for the Environment Australia, a medical group which is supported by a Nobel laureate, recipients of the Australia of the Year award and other distinguished health experts, says this plan will reduce Australia’s capacity to fulfill its Paris obligations and to do its fair share of reducing greenhouse gas emissions that lead to climate change.

DEA’s Chair Professor Kingsley Faulkner, who is also a former president of the Australian Council on Smoking and Health (ACOSH), as well as the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons (RACS), says:

“As the largest coal exporter by volume, Australia must be held accountable for its actions in Australia and globally.

“News that resources giant BHP is under pressure to formerly cut its links with the powerful mining lobby group Minerals Council Australia, because the company’s continued membership contradicts its climate policy, could be a seminal moment in the fight against coal— and one that is much welcome from the medical profession.

“The use of coal for energy is well past its use-by-date: the burning of this deadly fuel is the biggest contributor to the climate chaos we are currently witnessing, and to worsening air pollution both in Australia and around the world.

“Failure to take this threat seriously will continue to cost our health and healthcare services.

“Similarly to the campaign against tobacco, the coal industry is fighting its inevitable death with sustained misrepresentation, obfuscation and manipulation of the scientific and medical facts. Former prime minister Tony Abbott’s recent speech in London extolling the virtues of climate change is an example of this.

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https://www.dea.org.au/media-release-aus...lth-first/

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The newly released list implements a target announced by premier Li Keqiang in March to stop, delay and close down at least 50,000 megawatts of coal-fired power plant projects in 2017.

The list affects coal power plants with capacity equal to the combined operating capacity of Germany and Japan (95,000 megawatts) costing around US$60 billion (389 billion rmb).

The amount of capacity affected hence exceeds the target set for this year but is still well short of the total of 150,000 megawatts the government says is needed by 2020.

However the number of plants on the list has shrunk by around 15% from an original list of 182; a watering down of earlier plans after intense political negotiations. Also, the majority of the plants are technically only “delayed”, putting off the final decision to cancel the projects.

Building new coal-fired power plants doesn’t directly increase CO2 emissions, because coal-fired generation in China is limited by lack of demand. But it does create a conflict between dirty and clean energy in the grid, because the grid operators tend to favor coal power plant operators when dispatching electricity.

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Senate Republicans Block Measure To Protect Arctic Wildlife Refuge From Oil Drilling
“The notion that we, tonight, after 60-plus years, would give up what is a biologically important area ... for what? For oil we don’t need?”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/a...4f1c3a52e1




Protect Alaska’s Last Great Wilderness From Oil Drilling

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/18/opini...lling.html


Tonight, almost every Senate GOPer voted to block a plan to protect an Alaskan wildlife refuge from oil drilling

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The AC has no clue as usual, coal prices are up 30% even in Australia. Too bad Australians can't take advantage of the coal boom, they ship it all to Asia so THEY can have cheap electricity. Even with the price rise coal is still the cheapest fuel around.

"Some have the mistaken notion that coal use for electricity production is going away. Not only is it not going away but there is such a boom prices are up 30%. Asia is putting in massive numbers of coal fired power plants because it is still the cheapest form of energy out there. Although hyped by the leftist industrial complex wind and solar are being dumped because they are expensive and only operate when the Sun shines and the wind blows.

"Coal prices are on the rise again. With benchmark rates in Australia up over 30 percent since July — approaching the $100/t mark that prevailed in November 2016 after a massive run-up last year.

And a number of events the past week show that things could get even more heated in coal over the coming months.

The biggest story recently has been China. Where a push to restrict coal imports has driven local prices to multi-year highs. With data this week from Platts showing that 102 coal-laden boats are currently anchored offshore of Chinese ports, unable to deliver their loads.

That drop in imports has left local user hoarding supplies — with coal stockpiles held by China’s six largest power generators reportedly jumping nearly 16 percent in the past week, to 11.09 million tonnes.

But Chinese regulators said this week they’re keeping a close eye on coal users. Stipulating they will impose severe penalties on any groups found to be creating “abnormal fluctuations” in local coal prices.

That may mean coal users will have to buy on the open market through the winter, setting up for rising demand over the coming months.

And China isn’t the only place where demand is going up. With South Korea also seeing record coal imports of late — bringing in an all-time high 11.3 million tonnes in September, with October imports expected to set a fresh record at 12 million tonnes."


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gener...ts-Up.html

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/02/c...l-exports/

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Massive New Coal Boom To Fuel Southeast Asia’s Booming Economies

Date: 27/10/17
Power Magazine

The International Energy Agency (IEA) reports that about 100 GW of new coal-fired power generation capacity is expected to come online in Southeast Asia by 2040, more than doubling the region’s current coal power capacity. Global coal-fired generation capacity to grow by nearly 50% over today’s levels.

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The International Energy Agency (IEA) says the need for cheap electricity in Southeast Asia will drive global demand for coal for power generation through 2040, even as many countries continue to retire coal-fired plants and cancel projects for new coal facilities.

IEA, which is set to release its World Energy Outlook 2017 on November 14, this week said India and Southeast Asia will account for the majority of the use of coal in the coming years, as those areas’ economies continue to grow and demand for electricity rises.

“Coal maintains a strong foothold in [Southeast Asia’s] projected consumption, not only because it is markedly cheaper than natural gas, but also because coal projects are in many cases easier to pursue as they do not require the capital-intensive infrastructure associated with gas,” the IEA said in a report in advance of the release of the November outlook

https://www.thegwpf.com/massive-new-coal...-to-power/

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Post: #44
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-03-2017 09:48 PM)
The AC has no clue as usual, coal prices are up 30% even in Australia. Too bad Australians can't take advantage of the coal boom, they ship it all to Asia so THEY can have cheap electricity. Even with the price rise coal is still the cheapest fuel around.

Lmao

I'm afraid you have missed the boat on that red herring. Renewables are the cheapest source of power in most markets now and will be, everywhere, by 2020 according to investment bank Morgan Stanley. https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/sola...-utilities
Read it and weep, the cost analysis from Lazard, the leading asset management firm. Coal simply can't compete with renewables anymore.
https://www.lazard.com/media/438038/leve...y-v100.pdf

Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-03-2017 09:48 PM)
"Some have the mistaken notion that coal use for electricity production is going away.
Funny you say that, well it is...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ner-energy
http://e360.yale.edu/digest/world-coal-p...op-in-2016

Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-03-2017 09:48 PM)
is putting in massive numbers of coal fired power plants because it is still the cheapest form of energy out there.
No ( more on Asia later ) and No again, see Lazard LCOE 10 above.

Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-03-2017 09:48 PM)
Although hyped by the leftist industrial complex wind and solar are being dumped because they are expensive and only operate when the Sun shines and the wind blows.
Dumped? The majority of new generating capacity added in 2016 was renewables at 153 GW with only 54 GW of new coal capacity added. http://fs-unep-centre.org/publications/g...tment-2017 As for expensive, have another look at Lazard LCOE 10, and have another little cry.

Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-03-2017 09:48 PM)
"Coal prices are on the rise again. With benchmark rates in Australia up over 30 percent since July — approaching the $100/t mark that prevailed in November 2016 after a massive run-up last year.

And a number of events the past week show that things could get even more heated in coal over the coming months.

The biggest story recently has been China. Where a push to restrict coal imports has driven local prices to multi-year highs. With data this week from Platts showing that 102 coal-laden boats are currently anchored offshore of Chinese ports, unable to deliver their loads.
So 102 ships full of coal with nowhere to deliver them to is a big win for you? I wouldn't like to be on any sports team with you.

Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-03-2017 09:48 PM)
That drop in imports has left local user hoarding supplies — with coal stockpiles held by China’s six largest power generators reportedly jumping nearly 16 percent in the past week, to 11.09 million tonnes.
ditto for growing stockpiles of unburnt coal.
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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-03-2017 09:49 PM)
Massive New Coal Boom To Fuel Southeast Asia’s Booming Economies

Date: 27/10/17
Power Magazine

The International Energy Agency (IEA) reports that about 100 GW of new coal-fired power generation capacity is expected to come online in Southeast Asia by 2040, more than doubling the region’s current coal power capacity. Global coal-fired generation capacity to grow by nearly 50% over today’s levels.

link to image: https://www.thegwpf.com/content/uploads/...68x381.png

The International Energy Agency (IEA) says the need for cheap electricity in Southeast Asia will drive global demand for coal for power generation through 2040, even as many countries continue to retire coal-fired plants and cancel projects for new coal facilities.

IEA, which is set to release its World Energy Outlook 2017 on November 14, this week said India and Southeast Asia will account for the majority of the use of coal in the coming years, as those areas’ economies continue to grow and demand for electricity rises.

“Coal maintains a strong foothold in [Southeast Asia’s] projected consumption, not only because it is markedly cheaper than natural gas, but also because coal projects are in many cases easier to pursue as they do not require the capital-intensive infrastructure associated with gas,” the IEA said in a report in advance of the release of the November outlook

https://www.thegwpf.com/massive-new-coal...-to-power/

Well that's great news for coal. Balkpqbp the main growth market of India and South East Asia is adding about 90 GW of new capacity over the next 22 years.

Here's the thing though. China, which has a moratorium on new coal capacity, added 24 GW of new solar capacity in the first six months of this year alone! add that to the 35 GW of capacity they added last year and the additional 30 GW of capacity they are expected to complete by the end of this year and...

China will have added as much solar power generating capacity over the last 2 years as coal capacity is expected to add to the whole of SE Asia over the next 22 years.

That's quite something for you coal heads to think about, isn't it?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...f-official
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