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The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
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Post: #76
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (11-05-2017 07:29 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (11-05-2017 12:53 PM)
it's bullshit.. it has nothing to do with the subject

the thread isn't about one individual area throwing oil and gas in the bin and opting for renewable energy.. I would wager that SA's energy prices wouldn't of become anywhere near as bad had they not had a hostile backward federal government to deal with.

you think we don't have the same revolting cretins like you and the corporations you support actively trying to sabotage every renewable project on the planet?

the genie left the bottle at least a decade ago.. your fkn lame lies and obfuscation tactics are for nothing.

coal use will continue to decline no matter how hard you wring your hands..

clinger..

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See, I was right, YOU STILL CAN'T DENY SOUTH AUSTRALIA HAS THE HIGHEST ELECTRICITY PRICES ON THE PLANET AND IT'S BECAUSE OF WIND AND SOLAR! Instead you dance around the pejoratives as usual.

Enjoy paying your global warming tax upside down people. We dont, Trump is MAGA.
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11-07-2017 01:19 PM

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Post: #77
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
Coal Will Not Bring Appalachia Back to Life, But Tech and Government Jobs Could

It was supposed to be all about jobs. When the president announced his intent to abandon the Clean Power Plan this spring and then withdraw from the Paris agreement this summer, one of the biggest reasons cited was to protect the coal jobs sustaining communities in places like Appalachia.

There's just one problem. Whatever the White House says, coal jobs are in a terminal decline and whatever cynics claim, it's not some cabal of heartless environmentalists to blame. It's the power industry itself, driven by advances in technology and simple market forces.



But the who or what's responsible matter less than the who's left behind as coal communities in Appalachia try to figure out another way forward as jobs disappear. Especially as politicians seem more than happy to invoke them in grandstanding statements without actually doing much for them on the ground.

So as the administration this week announced a new plan that seems designed to prop up failing coal CEOs and companies rather than actually care for the communities they claim to fight for, we ask a simple question the government really should be asking: Can Appalachia thrive without coal?

The answer, we believe, is "Yes."

A Changing Energy Landscape

One of the most important factors in the decline of U.S. coal isn't regulation, but market forces. As renewable energy technologies like solar and wind have become cost competitive with fossil fuels, demand for coal has waned in the power sector. In 2006, coal provided 49 percent of U.S. electricity; just 10 years later, that number had fallen to 30 percent. Beyond collapsing demand, across the last several decades, automated technologies like rock crushers and shovel swings have replaced miners, leading to steady employment declines dating back to the early 1980s. In 1979, there were 250,000 coal miners in the U.S. In 2016, only 53,000 workers held the same position.

"There's almost zero reason to be completely optimistic," Ted Boettner, executive director of the West Virginia Center on Budget & Policy, told Time earlier this year. "It's a disservice to coal-mining communities to tell them they will have a mighty comeback."

https://www.ecowatch.com/coal-jobs-techn...52723.html

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11-13-2017 12:42 PM

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RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
Coal outlook bleak
Despite President Trump’s promises to bring back coal mining the industry by rolling back regulation, the industry faces tough long-term outlook because of low prices for competing fuels.

PUBLISHED NOV. 13, 2017


http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rng...index.html

Quote:Trump has cast the coal industry as a victim of burdensome regulation.

The industry has lost more than 40 percent of its work force in less than a decade and seen production drop to its lowest levels since 1978. Its share of the power market has fallen to less than a third from about half in 2003.

“We’re going to bring the coal industry back 100 percent,” Trump said at a rally in Virginia in August of 2016.

So far, progress has been limited.

U.S. coal production is on track to rise more than 8 percent in 2017 over the previous year, to 790 million tons, according to the Energy Information Administration. But 2018 output is expected to decline.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-...SKBN1DD0IA
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11-13-2017 01:43 PM

 



Post: #79
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
It did? Ooh but it neither lost in other small uses for warmth at night while liking outside the house,

City overpopulation then do a factory to test it
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11-13-2017 01:45 PM

 



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cow RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
First a nice infrastructure, then go camp without being held by an i know what's cold man,... Or chased on the wrong time
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Post: #81
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Ending in there doesn't grow anything in your cube with lose of everything and surrounding target to hate you,...
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11-13-2017 01:58 PM

 



Post: #82
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A bugs mouth is kinda human it's below, so that's what i knew, bye
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11-13-2017 02:00 PM

 



Post: #83
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
just dunno why,
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RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-16-2017 08:14 PM)
Most of my family lives in coal country, it's polluted their air and water.

That's nice. Is that the only reason they decided to live there?
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Post: #85
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
Damrod  Wrote: (10-16-2017 06:36 PM)
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I love you idiots...

When the grid goes down either from age, inefficiency or attack...you are so going to wish you had a couple lumps of coal to stave off freezing to death in winter. I really hope you live somewhere that gets really cold.

Beyond that, coal liquification to gasoline works but it is very inefficient. Once oil prices start to rise again and get to a certain point, the liquification process will become more viable from a cost perspective. There was a liquification plant not 10 miles from where I lived as a kid. It works just fine but this was back in the 70's and oil was a lot cheaper then. It couldn't compete back then...but it will eventually.

Coal is not going away fucktard...it will be back in due time...

I plan on making as much acid rain as possible just to piss dipshits like you off....

plus steel and some medications are made from components of coal...
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Coal miners frustrated as Trump administration suspends health study

Chuck Nelson spent his life in this corner of Appalachia, working for years in the coal mines — a good job in the economically depressed area. But he says the industry that helped him earn a living cost him his health, and his wife’s, too.

The 61-year-old Nelson blames his kidney and liver disease on the well water he drank for years, and his wife’s more severe asthma on dust and particles from surface mines near their home.

Some of his neighbors agree — and say surface mining in the mountains has been a primary culprit for various health problems. Some studies agreed with them but in the end were inconclusive. A new federal study was supposed to provide the most comprehensive review to date, but the Trump administration — a coal industry advocate — suspended it three months ago, citing budget reasons.

Nelson and his neighbors weren’t surprised — a previous federal study was canceled, too. The suspension feeds the mistrust they’ve long harbored for politicians who routinely side with businesses: If the study “comes out negative against the coal industry, it’s swept under the rug, and the funding’s stopped by these politicians who cater to the coal industry,” Nelson said.

Studies and experts agree on some points: Mountaintop mining can release coal dust into the air that is carried on the wind. Debris from surface mines can harm streams, and the coal slurries from underground mines can seep chemically-treated waste into groundwater. Pollution can increase disease risks, but that’s complicated by other factors.

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https://www.statnews.com/2017/11/11/coal-miners-health/

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Post: #87
RE: The war on coal is over. Coal lost.
I'd like an update of one after 2013 of gross tonnage emissions by country but this one will demonstrate the point that the USA had to reduce emissions because for all their bullshit rhetoric about saving the planet, they are one of the leading causes of it.

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Meh, it wont let me post the image. I got it on photobucket but it's just easier to post the link and it's the second graph down on the right.

List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co..._emissions
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