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Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
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Correction, FBI illegal seizure of documents protected under client attorney privilege = a violation of The Constitution.
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Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (11-07-2017 08:42 PM)
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Just another lying shill. Do not debate or argue with these freaks. Ignore them.

In other words, whatever you do, don't become informed or have your position challenged by facts. You may stop 'believin!'

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Due Process of Law

A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.

Do not come to speak of rights under the Constitution when the Federal Courts of law have prohibited The Constitution from even entering the Federal Courts, as judge Gloria Navarro has done to the men in Nevada from the Bundy ranch stand-off and as Judge Anna J. Brown did in Oregon and lost in her case against the Bundies. You shill!
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RE: Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
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Correction, FBI illegal seizure of documents protected under client attorney privilege = a violation of The Constitution.

Are there laws that allow for such things, in an investigation? =)

Lawyer-client communications are covered by the attorney-client privilege only if the circumstances lend themselves to confidentiality. For example, clients who speak to their lawyers about pending lawsuits in private, with no one else present, can reasonably expect secrecy. ]If someone were to surreptitiously record the conversation, that recording would probably be inadmissible in court.

But a client who speaks to a lawyer in public wouldn’t be able to prevent someone who overheard the conversation from testifying about it. Similarly, a client can forfeit the attorney-client privilege by repeating a conversation with an attorney to someone else, or by having a third person present during a conversation with the lawyer. No matter who hears or learns about a communication, however, the lawyer remains obligated not to repeat it

Example: In a civil suit regarding allegedly stolen funds, the judge orders the defense to turn over to the plaintiff documentation of conversations between the defendant and his attorney. The defense argues that the attorney-client privilege applies, and that the documents are protected. But the documents relate to plans between the defendant and the attorney to misappropriate funds belonging to the plaintiff. Because the communications were for the purpose of committing fraud, they aren’t privileged. (Both v. Frantz, 278 Ga. App. 556 (2006).)

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Manafort’s Team Will Argue Mueller Search Violated Constitutional Rights

https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/manafor...al-rights/

Attorneys for Paul Manafort told the judge on Friday how they anticipate fighting charges. One of their tactics is eliminating evidence improperly attained in a search. From the filing (emphasis ours):

At this time, the defense anticipates that pretrial motions will be filed concerning the legal basis for and sufficiency of the charges, the suppression of evidence improperly obtained by search warrant, subpoena or otherwise (including the application of exceptions to common law privileges), as well as motions in limine based on discovery to be provided by the Government in preparation of trial.

Paul Manafort’s lawyers say they will seek to suppress “evidence improperly obtained by search warrant, subpoena or otherwise.” pic.twitter.com/Yxf1KPVXBh

— Brad Heath (@bradheath) November 3, 2017

Prosecutors say Manafort (President Donald Trump‘s former campaign manager), and colleague Richard Gates money laundered and worked as unregistered agents of the Ukrainian government. If the defense is successful, the evidence underlying some of those claims might become useless. The FBI executed a search warrant at Manafort’s Virginia home in July.

A CNN report later showed that investigators may have attained [url= http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/r....html]some evidence[/url] protected by attorney-client privilege, and are not covered by that warrant. If so, the defendant’s Fourth Amendment rights may have been violated.

Law Newz Editor-in-Chief Rachel Stockman recently took a look at the legal issues at play here:

As the article points out, this certainly brings up concerns as to what exactly was seized, what investigators saw, and who handled the material. You can’t “unsee” evidence once you saw it.

“If they (investigators) had any kind of heads up, and they went beyond the scope of the warrant, that could be a problem,” Henry Hockeimer, a former federal prosecutor, told LawNewz.com.

This isn’t to stay that Special Counsel Robert Mueller‘s case is ruined.

“If, on the other hand, investigators accidentally seized privileged attorney-client communication, they could be in the clear, as the Supreme Court has found this is probably not a Fourth Amendment violation,” Stockman wrote. “In other words, if agents just made an innocent mistake, quickly returned the documents, they may be okay, depending on the steps that were taken. It is not clear at this point when Manafort’s lawyers warned the FBI of the existence of this material.”

Mueller also filed on Friday, saying that he needed 15 trial days to present his case. It is standard for prosecutors to provide judges with estimates for the trial length. Time spans vary widely, depending on the amount of evidence and number of witnesses at play. To be sure, however, this might the first trial that some people are following. This indictment spun out of Mueller’s probe into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election. These charges have nothing to do with those claims.
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Correction, FBI illegal seizure of documents protected under client attorney privilege = a violation of The Constitution.

Are there laws that allow for such things, in an investigation? =)

Lawyer-client communications are covered by the attorney-client privilege only if the circumstances lend themselves to confidentiality. For example, clients who speak to their lawyers about pending lawsuits in private, with no one else present, can reasonably expect secrecy. ]If someone were to surreptitiously record the conversation, that recording would probably be inadmissible in court.

But a client who speaks to a lawyer in public wouldn’t be able to prevent someone who overheard the conversation from testifying about it. Similarly, a client can forfeit the attorney-client privilege by repeating a conversation with an attorney to someone else, or by having a third person present during a conversation with the lawyer. No matter who hears or learns about a communication, however, the lawyer remains obligated not to repeat it

Example: In a civil suit regarding allegedly stolen funds, the judge orders the defense to turn over to the plaintiff documentation of conversations between the defendant and his attorney. The defense argues that the attorney-client privilege applies, and that the documents are protected. But the documents relate to plans between the defendant and the attorney to misappropriate funds belonging to the plaintiff. Because the communications were for the purpose of committing fraud, they aren’t privileged. (Both v. Frantz, 278 Ga. App. 556 (2006).)

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You are wrong lying shill, just wait and watch as your lies coming crashing down.

Just ignore these idiots. They will be proven wrong. Just watch and wait as the true criminals are revealed - Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, Jeff Sessions, Hillary, Obama, McCabe, McCaliff, David Petraeus, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, the AWAN spy ring, the Fusion GPS spy ring, John Podesta, Tony Podesta, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and many more, as explained here:

The scumbags and NWO dupes defined.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-784663.html
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Honeypot: Was the Trump Camp’s Meeting With Russian Lawyer All a Clinton (JTTF - Mueller) Set-Up?

https://nworeport.me/2017/10/31/honeypot...on-set-up/
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Report Reveals CNN’s Close Ties to Trump-Smearing Firm Fusion GPS

https://nworeport.me/2017/10/30/report-r...usion-gps/
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RE: Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-07-2017 08:48 PM)
Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (11-07-2017 08:42 PM)
In other words, whatever you do, don't become informed or have your position challenged by facts. You may stop 'believin!'

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...ess+of+Law
Due Process of Law

A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.

Do not come to speak of rights under the Constitution when the Federal Courts of law have prohibited The Constitution from even entering the Federal Courts, as judge Gloria Navarro has done to the men in Nevada from the Bundy ranch stand-off and as Judge Anna J. Brown did in Oregon and lost in her case against the Bundies. You shill!

It is already running under the Constitution you dolt, how can you admit it to one of it's functioning courts? They had due process. That was trial by jury, the government didn't make it's case to raise reasonable doubt to jurors, part of said constitution. And got off on it. How can you claim it wasn't allowed, when the Constitution is what allowed them to skate free to begin with? You can't have it both ways.

The Bill of Rights isn't carte blanch to ignore other powers stemmed from it that you don't think are justified; that's special pleading and ignoring all the case law surrounding it and voting.

This isn't anarchy, it's a Republic and Democracy. And sometimes, the democracy part disagrees with you.

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RE: Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
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Are there laws that allow for such things, in an investigation? =)

Lawyer-client communications are covered by the attorney-client privilege only if the circumstances lend themselves to confidentiality. For example, clients who speak to their lawyers about pending lawsuits in private, with no one else present, can reasonably expect secrecy. ]If someone were to surreptitiously record the conversation, that recording would probably be inadmissible in court.

But a client who speaks to a lawyer in public wouldn’t be able to prevent someone who overheard the conversation from testifying about it. Similarly, a client can forfeit the attorney-client privilege by repeating a conversation with an attorney to someone else, or by having a third person present during a conversation with the lawyer. No matter who hears or learns about a communication, however, the lawyer remains obligated not to repeat it

Example: In a civil suit regarding allegedly stolen funds, the judge orders the defense to turn over to the plaintiff documentation of conversations between the defendant and his attorney. The defense argues that the attorney-client privilege applies, and that the documents are protected. But the documents relate to plans between the defendant and the attorney to misappropriate funds belonging to the plaintiff. Because the communications were for the purpose of committing fraud, they aren’t privileged. (Both v. Frantz, 278 Ga. App. 556 (2006).)

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You are wrong lying shill, just wait and watch as your lies coming crashing down.

Just ignore these idiots. They will be proven wrong. Just watch and wait as the true criminals are revealed - Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, Jeff Sessions, Hillary, Obama, McCabe, McCaliff, David Petraeus, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, the AWAN spy ring, the Fusion GPS spy ring, John Podesta, Tony Podesta, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and many more, as explained here:

The scumbags and NWO dupes defined.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-784663.html

Because I'm gonna believe a conspiracy website over established due process and law for over 200 years?

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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RE: Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (11-07-2017 08:49 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-07-2017 08:45 PM)
Correction, FBI illegal seizure of documents protected under client attorney privilege = a violation of The Constitution.

Are there laws that allow for such things, in an investigation? =)

Lawyer-client communications are covered by the attorney-client privilege only if the circumstances lend themselves to confidentiality. For example, clients who speak to their lawyers about pending lawsuits in private, with no one else present, can reasonably expect secrecy. ]If someone were to surreptitiously record the conversation, that recording would probably be inadmissible in court.

THE MANAFORT CASE IS ONE WHICH DEMANDS SUCH CLIENT- ATTORNEY PRIVILEGE SINCE THE DOCUMENTS WERE PROTECTED AS THE CIRCUMSTANCES UPON WHICH HE HELD THEM WERE SUBJECT TO CONFIDENTIALITY.

But a client who speaks to a lawyer in public wouldn’t be able to prevent someone who overheard the conversation from testifying about it. Similarly, a client can forfeit the attorney-client privilege by repeating a conversation with an attorney to someone else, or by having a third person present during a conversation with the lawyer. No matter who hears or learns about a communication, however, the lawyer remains obligated not to repeat it.

MANAFORT´S LAWYER NEVER SPOKE WITH ANYONE IN PUBLIC ABOUT HIS OWN PRIVATE BUSINESS, SO THIS CLAUSE DOES NOT APPLY.

Example: In a civil suit regarding allegedly stolen funds, the judge orders the defense to turn over to the plaintiff documentation of conversations between the defendant and his attorney. The defense argues that the attorney-client privilege applies, and that the documents are protected. But the documents relate to plans between the defendant and the attorney to misappropriate funds belonging to the plaintiff. Because the communications were for the purpose of committing fraud, they aren’t privileged. (Both v. Frantz, 278 Ga. App. 556 (2006).)

THERE WAS NO REASONABLE CAUSE TO SUSPECT FRAUD AND THE WARRANT WAS OBTAINED USING A FRAUDULENT PEE PEE DOSSIE. IN SUCH CASES, THE INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE GATHERED, FRUIT OF AN ILLEGAL WARRANT, CANNOT BE USED IN COURT AND MUST BE DISGARDED. THE ONLY ONE STEALING THINGS WERE OBAMA, HILLARY, MUELLER AND COMEY, WHO STOLE US RANCHER - MALHEUR REFUGE LAND URANIUM TO SELL IT VIA THEIR RUSSIA BASED COMPANY TO GO TO OLD RUSSIA STATES, IRAN, KOREA AND OTHER PLACES, AS THE CONSPIRATORS GOT RICH OFF OF THIS. MANAFORT, IN TURN, HAS COMMITTED NO CRIME.

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Do not come to speak of rights under the Constitution when the Federal Courts of law have prohibited The Constitution from even entering the Federal Courts, as judge Gloria Navarro has done to the men in Nevada from the Bundy ranch stand-off and as Judge Anna J. Brown did in Oregon and lost in her case against the Bundies. You shill!

It is already running under the Constitution you dolt, how can you admit it to one of it's functioning courts? They had due process. That was trial by jury, the government didn't make it's case to raise reasonable doubt to jurors, part of said constitution. And got off on it. How can you claim it wasn't allowed, when the Constitution is what allowed them to skate free to begin with? You can't have it both ways.

The Bill of Rights isn't carte blanch to ignore other powers stemmed from it that you don't think are justified; that's special pleading and ignoring all the case law surrounding it and voting.

This isn't anarchy, it's a Republic and Democracy. And sometimes, the democracy part disagrees with you.

Jptdknpa

You dolt the Federal Court in Nevada IS NOT OPERATING UNDER THE CONSTITUTION BUT HAS FORBIDEEN ANY OF THE DEFENDENTS FROM CITING IT OR CARRYING IT IN THEIR POCKETS. YOU HAVE NO CLUE YOU DUMBO. THEY WERE DENIED DUE PROCESS YOU DOLT. The judge also had the jury verdict of no guilty cancelled out and had them come up with a new verdict by confusing them. She did this on purpose. You are totally ignorant, ill informed and know nothing about the Bundy case. I am finished with you and will not respond to you anymore you lying shill.

The U.S. is not an oligarchy nor is it a Republic nor is it a Democracy. You all are being fooled.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-789610.html
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RE: Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (11-07-2017 09:02 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-07-2017 08:54 PM)
You are wrong lying shill, just wait and watch as your lies coming crashing down.

Just ignore these idiots. They will be proven wrong. Just watch and wait as the true criminals are revealed - Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, Jeff Sessions, Hillary, Obama, McCabe, McCaliff, David Petraeus, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, the AWAN spy ring, the Fusion GPS spy ring, John Podesta, Tony Podesta, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and many more, as explained here:

The scumbags and NWO dupes defined.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-784663.html

Because I'm gonna believe a conspiracy website over established due process and law for over 200 years?

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Due process and law was over-turned after the Civil War, when the banksters vacated our Congress and instilled shills of the banking cartel inside the current Congress, which as a result is illegitimate.

The U.S. is under secret martial law and military rule.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-789610.html
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RE: Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
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Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (11-07-2017 08:59 PM)
It is already running under the Constitution you dolt, how can you admit it to one of it's functioning courts? They had due process. That was trial by jury, the government didn't make it's case to raise reasonable doubt to jurors, part of said constitution. And got off on it. How can you claim it wasn't allowed, when the Constitution is what allowed them to skate free to begin with? You can't have it both ways.

The Bill of Rights isn't carte blanch to ignore other powers stemmed from it that you don't think are justified; that's special pleading and ignoring all the case law surrounding it and voting.

This isn't anarchy, it's a Republic and Democracy. And sometimes, the democracy part disagrees with you.

Jptdknpa

You dolt the Federal Court in Nevada IS NOT OPERATING UNDER THE CONSTITUTION BUT HAS FORBIDEEN ANY OF THE DEFENDENTS FROM CITING IT OR CARRYING IT IN THEIR POCKETS. YOU HAVE NO CLUE YOU DUMBO. THEY WERE DENIED DUE PROCESS YOU DOLT. The judge also had the jury verdict of no guilty cancelled out and had them come up with a new verdict by confusing them. She did this on purpose. You are totally ignorant, ill informed and know nothing about the Bundy case. I am finished with you and will not respond to you anymore you lying shill.

The U.S. is not an oligarchy nor is it a Republic nor is it a Democracy. You all are being fooled.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-789610.html

Roflmao.

So it's anarchy? Then what is it?

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FEC: Obama Paid $1 Million To Fusion GPS To Fund ‘Piss-Gate’ Dossier

https://nworeport.me/2017/10/31/fec-obam...e-dossier/
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RE: Mueller special council operating in violation of The Constitution & separation..
Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (11-07-2017 09:09 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-07-2017 09:07 PM)
You dolt the Federal Court in Nevada IS NOT OPERATING UNDER THE CONSTITUTION BUT HAS FORBIDEEN ANY OF THE DEFENDENTS FROM CITING IT OR CARRYING IT IN THEIR POCKETS. YOU HAVE NO CLUE YOU DUMBO. THEY WERE DENIED DUE PROCESS YOU DOLT. The judge also had the jury verdict of no guilty cancelled out and had them come up with a new verdict by confusing them. She did this on purpose. You are totally ignorant, ill informed and know nothing about the Bundy case. I am finished with you and will not respond to you anymore you lying shill.

The U.S. is not an oligarchy nor is it a Republic nor is it a Democracy. You all are being fooled.

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-789610.html

Roflmao.

So it's anarchy? Then what is it?

Read the thread dimwit. The US has been under a secret state of military rule and martial law since the U.S. Civil War, which never ended you dolt.
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