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Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack
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11-13-2018 03:53 AM

 



Post: #16
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/o...e-supplies

This is from Oct. 5.
I don't know if the communities got resupplied.

"The ice has been described by officials as “extreme” and even the Canadian coast guard’s largest icebreaker in the region – the Louis St Laurent – was unable to help break open a channel for the barges. The government has rejected attempting to move the barge without an escort ship."

That area is supposed to be ice-free.
Maybe NASA can explain why their models show ice-free?
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LoP Guest
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11-13-2018 03:59 AM

 



Post: #17
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 03:34 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 02:55 AM)
No, that is not true. Anytime you have data with a natural variability you get data points above and below the trendline. What you can say is that when you take the data to find a linear regression line the line shows a falling trend of arctic ice volume or coverage with time.
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-conte...ntV2.1.png

I have noted that you are very rude and condescending.
Typically we associate that behavior with ignoramuses.
You have no argument so you try ad hominem in desperation.

tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 03:34 AM)
But be that as it may, please humor me and describe the driving
force behind increasing sea ice after 2012; despite increasing
concentrations of CO2 over that 6 year period.

CO2 and climate are directly correlated, right?

One would expect 6 years of additional build-up of CO2 to
negatively impact ice formation

You would expect variation year to year. It would be exceptionally strange if the weather was identical year to year, just slightly warmer each year. There is natural variability in weather but a clear linear regression can be found from both ice coverage and volume with a falling trend over time. The years 2014 to 2016 were el nino years https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4895717/

Your thread was bullshit from the start. You never had anything to back up your assertion that Arctic ice was reaching record levels. 2018 has one of the lowest Arctic ice coverages on record.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charc...ice-graph/

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LoP Guest
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11-13-2018 04:00 AM

 



Post: #18
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 03:34 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 02:55 AM)
No, that is not true. Anytime you have data with a natural variability you get data points above and below the trendline. What you can say is that when you take the data to find a linear regression line the line shows a falling trend of arctic ice volume or coverage with time.
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-conte...ntV2.1.png

I have noted that you are very rude and condescending.
Typically we associate that behavior with ignoramuses.

But be that as it may, please humor me and describe the driving
force behind increasing sea ice after 2012; despite increasing
concentrations of CO2 over that 6 year period.

CO2 and climate are directly correlated, right?

One would expect 6 years of additional build-up of CO2 to
negatively impact ice formation and not just be a function of
statistical variation.

Another typical response to clear reasoning with available data...
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LoP Guest
lop guest
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11-13-2018 04:05 AM

 



Post: #19
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:02 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:55 PM)
How could it be the lowest ever if their own graph is above the line for
2012 at this time of year?

Notice that the 2018 line is going vertical.

The low ice levels were during a long period of solar sun spot maxima.
There is still some lag time as the oceans cool during this minimum.

Er, that's why it says almost the lowest, 2012 was the lowest. Where is your data saying its at record levels, it looks like you can't read a graph.

It is at or above the levels of:
2017
2016
2013
2012
2011
2010
2009
2007
2006

If it keeps rising it will exceed other years.

It is interesting that the fall 2018 extent is growing faster compared to previous years for comparable temperatures.

The relatively high temperature should be reducing sea ice growth more than it is.
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tamarack
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11-13-2018 04:05 AM

 



Post: #20
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:00 AM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 03:34 AM)
I have noted that you are very rude and condescending.
Typically we associate that behavior with ignoramuses.

But be that as it may, please humor me and describe the driving
force behind increasing sea ice after 2012; despite increasing
concentrations of CO2 over that 6 year period.

CO2 and climate are directly correlated, right?

One would expect 6 years of additional build-up of CO2 to
negatively impact ice formation and not just be a function of
statistical variation.

Another typical response to clear reasoning with available data...

I provided lots of corroboration.
The Canadian villages couldn't get re-supplied due to severe
Arctic ice.

NASA says that the region was ice-free.
You decide who you trust.

The -40 in Siberia is one hell of a sign for global warming.
The Ventusky site shows North America to be covered by early
snow and record cold as well.

You don't use your own mind.
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LoP Guest
lop guest
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11-13-2018 04:08 AM

 



Post: #21
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 03:53 AM)
That area is supposed to be ice-free.
Maybe NASA can explain why their models show ice-free?

The same way the GCM IPCC climate models are so far off.

The model doesn't imitate reality.

In the real world people fix the model. In the climate world they fix the measured data.
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tamarack
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11-13-2018 04:10 AM

 



Post: #22
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:05 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:02 PM)
Er, that's why it says almost the lowest, 2012 was the lowest. Where is your data saying its at record levels, it looks like you can't read a graph.

It is at or above the levels of:
2017
2016
2013
2012
2011
2010
2009
2007
2006

If it keeps rising it will exceed other years.

It is interesting that the fall 2018 extent is growing faster compared to previous years for comparable temperatures.

The relatively high temperature should be reducing sea ice growth more than it is.

And they can't say why.
Their model is insufficient to predict global cooling.
It MUST be warmer every year due to increased conc. of CO2.

If it is colder, then their model is faulty correlation.

Just look at the faulty Fall prediction for higher than normal temps.
My God we are 20 to 35 degrees colder than normal down to Texas
and into Mexico.

Hm,,, how did that happen at the same time as -40 in Siberia?
Please make it WARMER, AL!
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LoP Guest
lop guest
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11-13-2018 04:10 AM

 



Post: #23
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:05 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:00 AM)
Another typical response to clear reasoning with available data...

I provided lots of corroboration.
The Canadian villages couldn't get re-supplied due to severe
Arctic ice.

NASA says that the region was ice-free.
You decide who you trust.

The -40 in Siberia is one hell of a sign for global warming.
The Ventusky site shows North America to be covered by early
snow and record cold as well.

You don't use your own mind.

I do actually...I was supporting your query not dismissing it.
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Genesis 6-9
lop guest
User ID: 441610
11-13-2018 04:13 AM

 



Post: #24
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
Wasnt the 'flood' of Noah an ice age in fact?

40 days and nights = negative 40 degrees = ice age?


The story begins with God full of regrets....
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tamarack
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User ID: 334357
11-13-2018 04:24 AM

 



Post: #25
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:10 AM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:05 AM)
I provided lots of corroboration.
The Canadian villages couldn't get re-supplied due to severe
Arctic ice.

NASA says that the region was ice-free.
You decide who you trust.

The -40 in Siberia is one hell of a sign for global warming.
The Ventusky site shows North America to be covered by early
snow and record cold as well.

You don't use your own mind.

I do actually...I was supporting your query not dismissing it.

Oh, I beg your pardon!
I thought you were asserting that I lacked reason.

There is more information coming too.
We're just getting started.

This is going to be a big week.
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322
lop guest
User ID: 441610
11-13-2018 04:32 AM

 



Post: #26
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:41 PM)
Siberian temps plunge to -40°C (-40°F)

https://www.iceagenow.info/siberian-temp...more-27062

good thing the cats there are thick skinned
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LoP Guest
lop guest
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11-13-2018 04:49 AM

 



Post: #27
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
322  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:32 AM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:41 PM)
Siberian temps plunge to -40°C (-40°F)

https://www.iceagenow.info/siberian-temp...more-27062

good thing the cats there are thick skinned

Siberian tiger fur coats man
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tamarack
lop guest
User ID: 334357
11-13-2018 04:50 AM

 



Post: #28
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
322  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:32 AM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:41 PM)
Siberian temps plunge to -40°C (-40°F)

https://www.iceagenow.info/siberian-temp...more-27062

good thing the cats there are thick skinned

Yes, they're going to need all of it too.

Just look at this blob of cold air over Siberia.
https://www.ventusky.com/
What will that blob look like in January?
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LoP Guest
lop guest
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11-13-2018 04:52 AM

 



Post: #29
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:50 AM)
322  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:32 AM)
good thing the cats there are thick skinned

Yes, they're going to need all of it too.

Just look at this blob of cold air over Siberia.
https://www.ventusky.com/
What will that blob look like in January?

But no guarantees that far out....who knows it may be balmy come January
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tamarack
lop guest
User ID: 334357
11-13-2018 05:31 AM

 



Post: #30
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:52 AM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 04:50 AM)
Yes, they're going to need all of it too.

Just look at this blob of cold air over Siberia.
https://www.ventusky.com/
What will that blob look like in January?

But no guarantees that far out....who knows it may be balmy come January

I've noticed that when it is balmy in Siberia it is -40 here in the Midwest
and vice versa.

This year we see -20s over Northern North America and -30s over Siberia in early November.
So it makes me wonder where would the warm January thaw come from
when both sides and Greenland are cold?
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