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Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack
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11-12-2018 10:22 PM

 




Post: #1
Arctic Sea-Ice
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Arctic sea-ice is building to record levels this year.

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=46.6;-94.1;3...erature-2m
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tamarack
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11-12-2018 10:41 PM

 




Post: #2
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
Siberian temps plunge to -40°C (-40°F)

https://www.iceagenow.info/siberian-temp...more-27062
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LoP Guest
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11-12-2018 10:43 PM

 




Post: #3
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
But..but..but.. global warming!!
I had a shill say Trump and his global warming will kill everyone by 2100..

chuckle
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LoP Guest
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11-12-2018 10:48 PM

 




Post: #4
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:22 PM)
Arctic sea-ice is building to record levels this year.

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=46.6;-94.1;3...erature-2m

You mean arctic sea is almost the lowest ever recorded at this time of year.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charc...ice-graph/
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Danger Dan
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11-12-2018 10:53 PM

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RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
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still cracks me up





Sorry bout the Noise
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LoP Guest
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11-12-2018 10:55 PM

 




Post: #6
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:48 PM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:22 PM)
Arctic sea-ice is building to record levels this year.

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=46.6;-94.1;3...erature-2m

You mean arctic sea is almost the lowest ever recorded at this time of year.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charc...ice-graph/

How could it be the lowest ever if their own graph is above the line for
2012 at this time of year?

Notice that the 2018 line is going vertical.

The low ice levels were during a long period of solar sun spot maxima.
There is still some lag time as the oceans cool during this minimum.
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LoP Guest
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11-12-2018 11:02 PM

 




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RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:55 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:48 PM)
You mean arctic sea is almost the lowest ever recorded at this time of year.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charc...ice-graph/

How could it be the lowest ever if their own graph is above the line for
2012 at this time of year?

Notice that the 2018 line is going vertical.

The low ice levels were during a long period of solar sun spot maxima.
There is still some lag time as the oceans cool during this minimum.

Er, that's why it says almost the lowest, 2012 was the lowest. Where is your data saying its at record levels, it looks like you can't read a graph.
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LoP Guest
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11-12-2018 11:13 PM

 




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RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:02 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 10:55 PM)
How could it be the lowest ever if their own graph is above the line for
2012 at this time of year?

Notice that the 2018 line is going vertical.

The low ice levels were during a long period of solar sun spot maxima.
There is still some lag time as the oceans cool during this minimum.

Er, that's why it says almost the lowest, 2012 was the lowest. Where is your data saying its at record levels, it looks like you can't read a graph.

I refer you to the Ventusky site to do your own research rather than
depend on the NOAA data, which has been politicized and become unreliable.

Also read my last paragraph above slowly.
It's strange that people don't equate the warm years with solar maxima.

The Ventusky site is interactive so you can also look up snow cover.
-40 in Siberia this early is going to build sea ice whether NOAA thinks
so or not.
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LoP Guest
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11-12-2018 11:20 PM

 




Post: #9
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:13 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:02 PM)
Er, that's why it says almost the lowest, 2012 was the lowest. Where is your data saying its at record levels, it looks like you can't read a graph.

I refer you to the Ventusky site to do your own research rather than
depend on the NOAA data, which has been politicized and become unreliable.

Also read my last paragraph above slowly.
It's strange that people don't equate the warm years with solar maxima.

The Ventusky site is interactive so you can also look up snow cover.
-40 in Siberia this early is going to build sea ice whether NOAA thinks
so or not.

So you have no data, just a false claim that sea ice has been increasing based on what you would like to be true, rather than reality. Here is a good chart of the long sustained decrease in arctic ice volume from the polar science centre.

http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-conte...ntV2.1.png
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tamarack
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11-12-2018 11:30 PM

 




Post: #10
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:20 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:13 PM)
I refer you to the Ventusky site to do your own research rather than
depend on the NOAA data, which has been politicized and become unreliable.

Also read my last paragraph above slowly.
It's strange that people don't equate the warm years with solar maxima.

The Ventusky site is interactive so you can also look up snow cover.
-40 in Siberia this early is going to build sea ice whether NOAA thinks
so or not.

So you have no data, just a false claim that sea ice has been increasing based on what you would like to be true, rather than reality. Here is a good chart of the long sustained decrease in arctic ice volume from the polar science centre.

http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-conte...ntV2.1.png

I don't doubt that those decades were warmer.
Are you making a forecast for this year?
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tamarack
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11-12-2018 11:38 PM

 




Post: #11
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
This is what the MSM had forecast for the U.S. Fall temperature outlook.

https://weather.com/forecast/national/ne...r-november


That forecast is absolute crap.
It would have received a grade of F- if anyone had been paying attention.
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LoP Guest
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11-12-2018 11:48 PM

 




Post: #12
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:30 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:20 PM)
So you have no data, just a false claim that sea ice has been increasing based on what you would like to be true, rather than reality. Here is a good chart of the long sustained decrease in arctic ice volume from the polar science centre.

http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-conte...ntV2.1.png

I don't doubt that those decades were warmer.
Are you making a forecast for this year?

There is a multi decadal warming trend, and a correlated multi decadal decrease in sea ice volume. It wasn't warmer decades ago, this is the warmest decade since the start of accurate global temperature recording in the late nineteenth century.

I note that unsurprisingly you weren't able to post a link to data that supported your claim that "Arctic sea-ice is building to record levels this year."
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tamarack
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11-13-2018 02:06 AM

 




Post: #13
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:48 PM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:30 PM)
I don't doubt that those decades were warmer.
Are you making a forecast for this year?

There is a multi decadal warming trend, and a correlated multi decadal decrease in sea ice volume. It wasn't warmer decades ago, this is the warmest decade since the start of accurate global temperature recording in the late nineteenth century.

I note that unsurprisingly you weren't able to post a link to data that supported your claim that "Arctic sea-ice is building to record levels this year."

It's not easy to get independent data on the ice extent when you have
compromised sources like this:

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images...18-minimum

But you are ignoring the fact that the sea ice should be lower than 2012
levels since we have more CO2 in the atmosphere and that is the factor
that matters, right? Temperature = proportionate to CO2 concentrations?

6 additional years of CO2 should put the ice extent line below 2012,
not rising above it with -40 c in Siberia this early.

I doubt -40 fit in anyone's forecast associated with government sources.
However the MSM Fall forecast for warmer conditions this year DID curiously fit the global warming narrative.

Funny thing it gets an F- for modeling accuracy.
However we do see stories like this:
https://nunavutnews.com/nunavut-news/shi...ft-delays/
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LoP Guest
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11-13-2018 02:55 AM

 




Post: #14
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 02:06 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-12-2018 11:48 PM)
There is a multi decadal warming trend, and a correlated multi decadal decrease in sea ice volume. It wasn't warmer decades ago, this is the warmest decade since the start of accurate global temperature recording in the late nineteenth century.

I note that unsurprisingly you weren't able to post a link to data that supported your claim that "Arctic sea-ice is building to record levels this year."

It's not easy to get independent data on the ice extent when you have
compromised sources like this:

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images...18-minimum
So your best attempt at providing a link to data that supports your assertion that "Arctic sea ice is building to record levels" is a website that states that the ice coverage is "the sixth lowest summertime minimum on record". You've been asked several times to support your claim and have failed to do so. It's obvious that you pulled your claim out of your ass.

tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 02:06 AM)
But you are ignoring the fact that the sea ice should be lower than 2012
levels since we have more CO2 in the atmosphere and that is the factor
that matters, right? Temperature = proportionate to CO2 concentrations?

6 additional years of CO2 should put the ice extent line below 2012,
not rising above it with -40 c in Siberia this early.
No, that is not true. Anytime you have data with a natural variability you get data points above and below the trendline. What you can say is that when you take the data to find a linear regression line the line shows a falling trend of arctic ice volume or coverage with time.
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-conte...ntV2.1.png
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tamarack
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11-13-2018 03:34 AM

 




Post: #15
RE: Arctic Sea-Ice
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-13-2018 02:55 AM)
tamarack  Wrote: (11-13-2018 02:06 AM)
But you are ignoring the fact that the sea ice should be lower than 2012
levels since we have more CO2 in the atmosphere and that is the factor
that matters, right? Temperature = proportionate to CO2 concentrations?

6 additional years of CO2 should put the ice extent line below 2012,
not rising above it with -40 c in Siberia this early.
No, that is not true. Anytime you have data with a natural variability you get data points above and below the trendline. What you can say is that when you take the data to find a linear regression line the line shows a falling trend of arctic ice volume or coverage with time.
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-conte...ntV2.1.png

I have noted that you are very rude and condescending.
Typically we associate that behavior with ignoramuses.

But be that as it may, please humor me and describe the driving
force behind increasing sea ice after 2012; despite increasing
concentrations of CO2 over that 6 year period.

CO2 and climate are directly correlated, right?

One would expect 6 years of additional build-up of CO2 to
negatively impact ice formation and not just be a function of
statistical variation.
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