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Get Smart! Epispde 52
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twitchy  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:26 PM)
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The likely explanation is that demolition explosives for most part are incorporated into high rise building as a cost saving measure to deter expenses for future demolitions. The precision of all 3 WTC buildings destruction, makes this highly probable.

Nobody will attest to this as the public furor would undoubtedly have serious consequences, not for the reasoning but for the coverup of the truth.

Access to a building's central support columns is actually required by code in NYC for any possible future demolitions in NYC, at least it was when I was doing the research for this thread.

Maybe so, but the central support columns probably need to remain intact to ensure the structure's outer shell falls first. The basically empty basement provides a catch all.
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RE: Get Smart! Epispde 52
twitchy  Wrote: (11-28-2018 10:08 AM)
And so much for Insider Trading information we were all waiting on...
Quote:Citing client privacy, Henschel declined to say which companies Convar is working for, or provide details about the data retrieved so far. But he said the raw material, up to 40 gigabytes per computer hard drive, is sent immediately by satellite or courier back to New York.
Money trail
Richard Wagner, a data retrieval expert at the company, said illegal transfers of more than $100 million might have been made immediately before and during the disaster.
"There is a suspicion that some people had advance knowledge of the approximate time of the plane crashes in order to move out amounts exceeding $100 million," Wagner said. "They thought that the records of their transactions could not be traced after the main frames were destroyed."
The companies are paying between $20,000 and $30,000 for each computer recovered, Henschel said.
The high recovery costs are one reason why only a limited number of hard drives are being examined.

Henschel said the companies in the United States were working together with the FBI to piece together what happened on September 11 and that he was confident the destination of the dubious transactions would one day be tracked down.
"We have been quite surprised that so many of the hard drives were in good enough shape to retrieve the data," he said.
"The contamination rate is high. The fine dust that was everywhere in the area got pressed under high pressure into the drives. But we've still been able to retrieve 100 percent of the data on most of the drives we've received.
"We're helping them find out what happened to the computers on September 11 as quickly as possible. I'm sure that one day they will know what happened to the money."
It was never spoken of again to my knowledge.

I remember it as tracking back to Alvin and Howard Krongard and THEN it was hushed up and never mentioned again.
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RE: Get Smart! Epispde 52
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I do hope most Americans and others realize that if a high rise building is under attack, disregard the any pre-taped broadcast messages to not evacuate the building. get the hell out of there.

I will never forget when Rudolph Giuliani told us that they came into his Emergency Management HQ in WTC 7 and told them to evacuate because it was GOING to collapse. Throw in Silverstien's famous 'Decision was made to pull it.." quote and the footage of the emergency responders on the street telling people to stand back because the building was going to collapse, as well as the countdown heard on their radio transmissions, you can't get any more damning than that.
You can actually see the central support columns give way just before the near free-fall uniform collapse of the WTC 7 building...
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WTC was likely the target for Flight 93, since it never made it to NYC, the building was 'pulled' anyway despite minimal damage...
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RE: Get Smart! Epispde 52
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twitchy  Wrote: (11-28-2018 10:08 AM)
And so much for Insider Trading information we were all waiting on...
It was never spoken of again to my knowledge.

I remember it as tracking back to Alvin and Howard Krongard and THEN it was hushed up and never mentioned again.

That sounds familiar, was he associated with Kroll?

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RE: Get Smart! Epispde 52
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twitchy  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:26 PM)
Access to a building's central support columns is actually required by code in NYC for any possible future demolitions in NYC, at least it was when I was doing the research for this thread.

Maybe so, but the central support columns probably need to remain intact to ensure the structure's outer shell falls first. The basically empty basement provides a catch all.

I just don't know a great deal about the actual methods used in controlled demolitions of High Rise buildings, but one of the more interesting things I found was some statements made by folks on scene during the clean up that said the columns had been seemingly cut into uniform sizes, this is pretty typical of these large scale demolitions as it facilitates the cleanup and hauling afterwards.
Also the cleanup crews were required to spread sand, spray water, change clothes, and alot of other procedures that were consistent with a radiological decontamination and waste removal.

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in a timed demolition, I would imagine the last thing to get demolished would be the main support beams. If you recall the '1990', terrorist attack on the WTC, attempted to blow up the basement support beams w/o success because the explosion blew outward. An inspection was done afterwards to verify the integrity of the support beams.

Demolition charges for the main support beams of a skyscraper would mostly likely be placed above the calculated depth of the rubbish pile of the destroyed building in order to minimize the spread of the debris. For a 100 story building this would be at the 5th - 10th story.
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Again evacuation is a prudent policy, in light of previous examples. I do not believe that placements of demolition explosive could have been accomplished by nefarious element in a coordinated effort of an attack.


Demolition explosives are safe and can only be ignited under specific conditions. A extremely high temperature fire could be one such condition.
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Again evacuation is a prudent policy, in light of previous examples. I do not believe that placements of demolition explosive could have been accomplished by nefarious element in a coordinated effort of an attack.


Demolition explosives are safe and can only be ignited under specific conditions. A extremely high temperature fire could be one such condition.

Are you aware of the statements made by Paul Laffoley who said that during the construction of the WTC towers, workers for the Bin Laden Construction group were openly questioning the reasoning behind placing explosives in a building that had not been constructed yet? These nefarious elements you don't believe placed explosives simply had to wire them up. The shelf life of the explosive Simtex for example, actually had to be chemically reduced to prevent stockpiling. The demolition charges were ALREADY in place, and the mysterious white vans that were arriving an leaving the WTC complex at the wee hours of the morning in the weeks prior to 9/11 were simply wiring them up. The weekend before 9/11, there was an unprecedented power down of the complex which shut down the various security systems and the Bomb Sniffing dogs were removed despite a heightened security level, this is likely when the actual initiators were placed.

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Again evacuation is a prudent policy, in light of previous examples. I do not believe that placements of demolition explosive could have been accomplished by nefarious element in a coordinated effort of an attack.


Demolition explosives are safe and can only be ignited under specific conditions. A extremely high temperature fire could be one such condition.

Are you aware of the statements made by Paul Laffoley who said that during the construction of the WTC towers, workers for the Bin Laden Construction group were openly questioning the reasoning behind placing explosives in a building that had not been constructed yet? These nefarious elements you don't believe placed explosives simply had to wire them up. The shelf life of the explosive Simtex for example, actually had to be chemically reduced to prevent stockpiling. The demolition charges were ALREADY in place, and the mysterious white vans that were arriving an leaving the WTC complex at the wee hours of the morning in the weeks prior to 9/11 were simply wiring them up. The weekend before 9/11, there was an unprecedented power down of the complex which shut down the various security systems and the Bomb Sniffing dogs were removed despite a heightened security level, this is likely when the actual initiators were placed.

Wasnot, aware. if true …. a larger coverup exist. Idk
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Are you aware of the statements made by Paul Laffoley who said that during the construction of the WTC towers, workers for the Bin Laden Construction group were openly questioning the reasoning behind placing explosives in a building that had not been constructed yet? These nefarious elements you don't believe placed explosives simply had to wire them up. The shelf life of the explosive Simtex for example, actually had to be chemically reduced to prevent stockpiling. The demolition charges were ALREADY in place, and the mysterious white vans that were arriving an leaving the WTC complex at the wee hours of the morning in the weeks prior to 9/11 were simply wiring them up. The weekend before 9/11, there was an unprecedented power down of the complex which shut down the various security systems and the Bomb Sniffing dogs were removed despite a heightened security level, this is likely when the actual initiators were placed.

Wasnot, aware. if true …. a larger coverup exist. Idk





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RE: Get Smart! Epispde 52
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 07:20 PM)
twitchy  Wrote: (12-06-2018 07:10 PM)
Are you aware of the statements made by Paul Laffoley who said that during the construction of the WTC towers, workers for the Bin Laden Construction group were openly questioning the reasoning behind placing explosives in a building that had not been constructed yet? These nefarious elements you don't believe placed explosives simply had to wire them up. The shelf life of the explosive Simtex for example, actually had to be chemically reduced to prevent stockpiling. The demolition charges were ALREADY in place, and the mysterious white vans that were arriving an leaving the WTC complex at the wee hours of the morning in the weeks prior to 9/11 were simply wiring them up. The weekend before 9/11, there was an unprecedented power down of the complex which shut down the various security systems and the Bomb Sniffing dogs were removed despite a heightened security level, this is likely when the actual initiators were placed.

Wasnot, aware. if true …. a larger coverup exist. Idk

Further evidence, for "The demolition charges were ALREADY in place, and the mysterious white vans that were arriving an leaving the WTC complex at the wee hours of the morning in the weeks prior to 9/11 were simply wiring them up. The weekend before 9/11,the above would be", ----needs to be forthcoming to be taken seriously.
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5* and pin request. Interesting thread for sure.

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twitchy  Wrote: (12-06-2018 07:25 PM)
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Wasnot, aware. if true …. a larger coverup exist. Idk




The problem with cover-ups is that they lead to wider conspiracy theories. They perpetuate far beyond the original issue and detract from it's validity. This can result in a general confusion among its populace, a societal malaise or a host of other mental maladies. Truth?
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He Man  Wrote: (12-06-2018 07:28 PM)
5* and pin request. Interesting thread for sure.

I have alot more research left to post but it takes alot of digging through my research files and fixing old links. The wayback machine is a great resource but even it gets scrubbed from time to time and they don't archive everything. Alot of this information is slowly being 'vanished' from the internet so it's difficult to reproduce the quality of research material that was available in 2002 when I started looking into this. My hope is that as history is rewritten to place the blame on whatever nation-du-jour they want to pin 9/11 on, the newer generations will have some of this information to compare to their perceptions of what really happened before, and after the event that literally changed the world and likely issued in the "New World Order".

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Get smart.

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