Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (12-06-2018 04:43 PM)

Already citationed. Trump has declared democrats and the press enemies of the people. These are official white house statements per the courts.

How is Trump not a traitor, 605?

Because his oath demands he defend america from both foreign and domestic threats.
Pointing out domestic threats is not treason.

Look, as a democrat, I will gladly admit Obama was a good president, but maybe not a great president. He has some failings as president. He screwed some things up.

However, the people who still support Trump are delusional. Every president has done something wrong, no one is a saint. But in their eyes, Trump literally cannot do anything wrong.

These people criticized Obama and his family for the entire duration of his presidency, but when the shoe was on the other foot, every similar shortcoming Trump had was excusable.

Obama took vacations. Every president has, but he was lambasted constantly for "vacationing too much". Never mind the fact George W. Bush took over 500 vacation days, seldom mentioned.

Trump said as President, that he would not have time to vacation, he would be way to busy helping the country.

Well guess what? He has gone on vacations, lots of them in fact. In fact, he spent nearly 30% of his 1st year as president at Trump owned properties.

So now, the excuses fly.

"He is working when he goes to his his properties". OK, fair enough, but every time he decides to leave the WH, it costs me and you money. So far that amount has come to over 80 million dollars.

The whole time Obama was in office, 8 years, the total taxpayers spent on vacations was around 100 million dollars. Trump has not been in office 2 years, and has already spent about 37 million on flights to Mar a Lago. By the time he has 2 years in, that number will be close to half of what the Obama's spent, with trump spending it in 1/4th as short of time.

Each trip to Trump's Mar a Lago costs over 3 million dollars in fuel and secret service protection.

If we put vacations aside, morals come into play as well, modestly specifically.

If you recall, around 2009 Michelle Obama was criticized heavily for wearing a dress with bare arms. How provocative, right?

Well, as many already know, the current 1st lady, Melania posed naked. But again, more silence from the right. I guess this excuses her behavior?

I could go on all day about this, but the point is, somehow these people can find no fault in Trump's work, and any readily apparent mistake he made is somehow given a half-assed excuse by the right.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:45 PM)

Because his oath demands he defend america from both foreign and domestic threats.
Pointing out domestic threats is not treason.

But to AoR it is not possible for any "official" press to ever be a threat

At least as far as I can determine

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:45 PM)

Because his oath demands he defend america from both foreign and domestic threats.
Pointing out domestic threats is not treason.

But to AoR it is not possible for any "official" press to ever be a threat

At least as far as I can determine

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:48 PM)

But to AoR it is not possible for any "official" press to ever be a threat

At least as far as I can determine

What "official" press?
There is no such thing.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:48 PM)

But to AoR it is not possible for any "official" press to ever be a threat

At least as far as I can determine

How is Trump NOT a traitor, and why did you lie about Page 4, 605?

Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:49 PM)

How is Trump NOT a traitor, and why did you lie about Page 4, 605?

Because his oath demands he defend america from both foreign and domestic threats.
Pointing out domestic threats is not treason.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:51 PM)

What "official" press?
There is no such thing.

State-run media from Russia, of course. Did you think he meant something else?

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:45 PM)

Because his oath demands he defend america from both foreign and domestic threats.
Pointing out domestic threats is not treason.

Incorrect. Trump has declared Democrats and the media as the enemy of the people. War has been levied against them, and Trump is aiding and abetting those who do and did it.

How is Trump NOT a traitor?

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:52 PM)

Because his oath demands he defend america from both foreign and domestic threats.
Pointing out domestic threats is not treason.

Incorrect. Please see earlier citations, including the 24th amendment and take care clause, already provided.

How is Trump NOT a Traitor?

Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:48 PM)

Incorrect. Trump has declared Democrats and the media as the enemy of the people. War has been levied against them, and Trump is aiding and abetting those who do and did it.

How is Trump NOT a traitor?

Because Democrats and the Media ARE enemies of the people.

By attacking them Trump is doing his constitutional duty to defend the US from all enemies, domestic and imported.

Look, as a democrat, I will gladly admit Obama was a good president, but maybe not a great president. He has some failings as president. He screwed some things up.

However, the people who still support Trump are delusional. Every president has done something wrong, no one is a saint. But in their eyes, Trump literally cannot do anything wrong.

These people criticized Obama and his family for the entire duration of his presidency, but when the shoe was on the other foot, every similar shortcoming Trump had was excusable.

Obama took vacations. Every president has, but he was lambasted constantly for "vacationing too much". Never mind the fact George W. Bush took over 500 vacation days, seldom mentioned.

Trump said as President, that he would not have time to vacation, he would be way to busy helping the country.

Well guess what? He has gone on vacations, lots of them in fact. In fact, he spent nearly 30% of his 1st year as president at Trump owned properties.

So now, the excuses fly.

"He is working when he goes to his his properties". OK, fair enough, but every time he decides to leave the WH, it costs me and you money. So far that amount has come to over 80 million dollars.

The whole time Obama was in office, 8 years, the total taxpayers spent on vacations was around 100 million dollars. Trump has not been in office 2 years, and has already spent about 37 million on flights to Mar a Lago. By the time he has 2 years in, that number will be close to half of what the Obama's spent, with trump spending it in 1/4th as short of time.

Each trip to Trump's Mar a Lago costs over 3 million dollars in fuel and secret service protection.

If we put vacations aside, morals come into play as well, modestly specifically.

If you recall, around 2009 Michelle Obama was criticized heavily for wearing a dress with bare arms. How provocative, right?

Well, as many already know, the current 1st lady, Melania posed naked. But again, more silence from the right. I guess this excuses her behavior?

I could go on all day about this, but the point is, somehow these people can find no fault in Trump's work, and any readily apparent mistake he made is somehow given a half-assed excuse by the right.

Apostle of Reality  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:52 PM)

State-run media from Russia, of course. Did you think he meant something else?

What mental gymnastics are you doing to link Russian media to "official" press?
America has no authority over nor concern with foreign press.

King Doom  Wrote: (12-06-2018 03:39 PM)

Look, as a democrat, I will gladly admit Obama was a good president, but maybe not a great president. He has some failings as president. He screwed some things up.

However, the people who still support Trump are delusional. Every president has done something wrong, no one is a saint. But in their eyes, Trump literally cannot do anything wrong.

These people criticized Obama and his family for the entire duration of his presidency, but when the shoe was on the other foot, every similar shortcoming Trump had was excusable.

Obama took vacations. Every president has, but he was lambasted constantly for "vacationing too much". Never mind the fact George W. Bush took over 500 vacation days, seldom mentioned.

Trump said as President, that he would not have time to vacation, he would be way to busy helping the country.

Well guess what? He has gone on vacations, lots of them in fact. In fact, he spent nearly 30% of his 1st year as president at Trump owned properties.

So now, the excuses fly.

"He is working when he goes to his his properties". OK, fair enough, but every time he decides to leave the WH, it costs me and you money. So far that amount has come to over 80 million dollars.

The whole time Obama was in office, 8 years, the total taxpayers spent on vacations was around 100 million dollars. Trump has not been in office 2 years, and has already spent about 37 million on flights to Mar a Lago. By the time he has 2 years in, that number will be close to half of what the Obama's spent, with trump spending it in 1/4th as short of time.

Each trip to Trump's Mar a Lago costs over 3 million dollars in fuel and secret service protection.

If we put vacations aside, morals come into play as well, modestly specifically.

If you recall, around 2009 Michelle Obama was criticized heavily for wearing a dress with bare arms. How provocative, right?

Well, as many already know, the current 1st lady, Melania posed naked. But again, more silence from the right. I guess this excuses her behavior?

I could go on all day about this, but the point is, somehow these people can find no fault in Trump's work, and any readily apparent mistake he made is somehow given a half-assed excuse by the right.

Don't forget 0bma's golf games at record numbers.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-06-2018 06:54 PM)

Because Democrats and the Media ARE enemies of the people.

By attacking them Trump is doing his constitutional duty to defend the US from all enemies, domestic and imported.

Then you are a traitor.

How are you and Trump, NOT a traitor?

"People who go along a treasonous path do not know they are on a treasonous path until it is too late."