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Ukraine / Russia / Eastern Europe Updates
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07-12-2018 09:23 PM

 



Post: #841
RE: Ukraine / Russia / Eastern Europe Updates
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Russia convinced me that US relied too much on ultra nationalist to depose of the former government in Ukraine. And so US helped install people in all kinds of places, that have white supremacist and nazi loving ideologies. Focused also a lot around anti-Russian.
And I assume this is maybe a problem for Europe in relation to EU integration, but for the US these anti russians are an asset to use to attack russia with.

I cannot condone all that.
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Post: #842
RE: Ukraine / Russia / Eastern Europe Updates
LoP Guest  Wrote: (07-12-2018 09:23 PM)
Russia convinced me that US relied too much on ultra nationalist to depose of the former government in Ukraine. And so US helped install people in all kinds of places, that have white supremacist and nazi loving ideologies. Focused also a lot around anti-Russian.
And I assume this is maybe a problem for Europe in relation to EU integration, but for the US these anti russians are an asset to use to attack russia with.

I cannot condone all that.

There are 7 ultra nationalists in Ukraine parliament (compared to 40 in Russia).
None are in the Ukraine Government.


Ukraine 2014 Parliamentary Election
Svoboda 742,022 votes 4.71% 6 seats
Right Sector 284.943 votes 1.80% 1 seat
Congress of Ukr. Nationalists 8,976 votes 0.05%
6.56% of total votes 7 seats
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07-13-2018 11:33 AM

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Post: #843
RE: Ukraine / Russia / Eastern Europe Updates
YouGov Poll
‏Verified account @YouGov
July 12

Britons with unfavourable views of...
Vladimir Putin - 79%
Donald Trump - 77%
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Post: #844
RE: Ukraine / Russia / Eastern Europe Updates
•REC⁴  Wrote: (07-12-2018 09:13 PM)
Jamie Dettmer
‏@jamiewrit
14 minutes ago

Tension mounts between Greece’s leftist government and Russia after Athens expels 2 Russian diplomats alleged to have meddled in domestic affairs. Athens says it will bar their replacements amid Moscow warnings of retaliation.

yeah , this is not a good sign.

a bad moon rising on Friday the 13th type of bad sign...
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Just as shameful as treatment of Roma people in Ukraine. This time the persecution is committed by the state.
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Criminal prosecutions of 50+ Jehovah's Witnesses

Prosecutors are investigating at least 50 Jehovah's Witnesses in 16 Russian regions on "extremism" criminal charges. Of these, 21 men and 1 woman are known to be in detention, with 3 more under house arrest and 27 under travel restrictions. If convicted, they could receive lengthy jail terms.

More than 50 Jehovah's Witnesses are now facing criminal prosecution for exercising their right to freedom of religion and belief.

International human rights law, however, allows anyone to meet to exercise freedom of religion and belief without state permission.


http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?artic...1Y.twitter
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I know probably no one or very few will bother to watch but it's worth a look.




Propaganda, mass psychology, and the Ukraine
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07-13-2018 02:48 PM

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Post: #847
RE: Ukraine / Russia / Eastern Europe Updates
Hromadske Int.
‏@Hromadske
July 8

We discovered a network of fighters, people who fought in the Balkan wars, and then the other group were young people, usually members of different far-right groups. With @BIRNBalkans.


Report Sunday on far right Serbs fighting in east Ukraine (with Russians).
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Post: #848
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TimeZoned  Wrote: (07-13-2018 02:19 PM)
I know probably no one or very few will bother to watch but it's worth a look.




Propaganda, mass psychology, and the Ukraine

Very factual up to 25 mins.

Video was produced in Sep, 2014, 1 month before Ukraine elections. So info on Svoboda already out of date.


Svoboda
The party won 6 seats in the late October 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election; losing 31 seats of the 37 seats it had won in the 2012 parliamentary.


Hopefully have 0 seats after next election. Cheers


Video starts to get in to Kremlin conspiracy nonsense after 25 mins so not interested in watching more. Cheers
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Best to stick with facts.


Timeline of Ukraine Government 2012-2014

Oct 28, 2012
Party of Regions tops Parliamentary election with 175 seats (51 seats short of majority).

Dec 12, 2012
PoR forms minority Government with support of 35 independent MPs (210 seats, 16 short of majority).

Feb 22, 2014
Viktor Yanukovich impeached with 328 votes to 0 against.

Feb 23, 2014
Party of Regions condemns and disassociates itself from Victor Yanukovych.

Feb 24, 2014
Unable to form a Government, Party of Regions goes into opposition with 128 of its original 210 MPs.

Feb 27, 2014
Largest opposition party, Fatherland, forms coalition Government (with UDAR, Svoboda, Revival & People's Will) with 250 seats and a majority of 24.

Oct 2, 2014
Poroshencko Bloc wins Ukraine Parliamentary election with 132 seats. 94 seats short of majority needed to form a Government.

Nov 21, 2014
Poroshenko Bloc forms coalition Government with People's Front, Self Reliance, Fatherland, and Radical Party. The coalition consists of a total of 302 deputies.
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As of July 2018, Ukraine has a minority Government.

Government 219 seats
Poroshenko Bloc 138
People's Front 81


If for any reason, (like murdering protesters) People's Front left the coalition, the Ukrainian Government would fall, as happened in 2014.

Opposition Bloc as the largest opposition party would be given the opportunity to form a Government.
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The Party of Regions at least deserves some credit for following the democratic process in 2014, and handing over power when their Government collapsed.

Their new party, Opposition Bloc, are 3rd largest in Ukraine Parliament.
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•REC⁴  Wrote: (06-19-2018 10:37 PM)
Latest Poll Parliamentary
May 19-25

Fatherland 12.6%
Civic Position 10.7%
Opposition Bloc 8.5%
Radical Party 7.9%
Poroshenko Bloc 7.8%


https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-sushche...ncing.html

Poroshenko party faces being wiped out. Now in 6th position.
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Latest Parliamentary Poll
June 7-21

Fatherland party 21.6%
Civic Position 15.9%
Opposition Bloc 11.4%
Radical Party 11.1%
Life Party 10.5%
Poroshenko Bloc 7.9%


Presidential Poll

Tymoshenko 22.8%
Grytsenko 16%
Oleh Lyashko 13.2%
Yuriy Boyko 10.6%
Poroshenko 10.5%
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RE: Ukraine / Russia / Eastern Europe Updates
Foreign policy orientations

47.3% - chose the option of "joining the European Union"
30.1% - "non-alignment" either to the European Union or to the Customs Union
11.9% - "joining the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Armenia"


NATO
41.1% would vote in a referendum for joining NATO
30.7% would vote "Against"



https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=re...767&page=1
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These are people who have fled Donabss.
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Pablo Mateu
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2 hours ago

The number of IDPs registered with Ukraine's Ministry of Social Policy stands at 1.5 million in June 2018.

Of these, close to 800,000 are pensioners while some 50,000 are persons with disabilities.

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Post: #855
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•REC⁴  Wrote: (07-12-2018 09:13 PM)
Jamie Dettmer
‏@jamiewrit
14 minutes ago

Tension mounts between Greece’s leftist government and Russia after Athens expels 2 Russian diplomats alleged to have meddled in domestic affairs. Athens says it will bar their replacements amid Moscow warnings of retaliation.

Fairly sick of the far right by now. Whether they are Ukrainian, Russian, or Greek makes no difference.
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aris roussinos
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15 hours ago

“there is talk in far-right political circles of a new party to be based in the northern Greek region of Macedonia where opposition to the name agreement is strongest. It would campaign on an aggressively nationalist platform and seek to consolidate links with Moscow”
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