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Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
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RE: Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
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"at what cost" --- probably 1/3 the present cost estimates---billions in savings.

99.99% of illegal immigrant traffic would be stopped I believe.

I believe the cost is apx 200 dollars per lineal foot. Each panel
3' wide x 20' tall panel is about 4000 dollars installed.
That's about 8 million per mile.

Also you can't pound them into hard pan or rock.

No problem. Use them on the 90% of border they would work well on.

My internet search shows that each linear foot of 30' x 1/3" thick steel would weigh about 1000 pounds and cost about $300 for materials only. That would be about 1.6 million $ per mile. Labor could be by our military or Mexico. 700 miles materials cost would be 1.1 Billion $
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http://www.shorelinesteel.com/intermedia...iling.html
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I believe the cost is apx 200 dollars per lineal foot. Each panel
3' wide x 20' tall panel is about 4000 dollars installed.
That's about 8 million per mile.

Also you can't pound them into hard pan or rock.

No problem. Use them on the 90% of border they would work well on.

My internet search shows that each linear foot of 30' x 1/3" thick steel would weigh about 1000 pounds and cost about $300 for materials only. That would be about 1.6 million $ per mile. Labor could be by our military or Mexico. 700 miles materials cost would be 1.1 Billion $
Schematic website link---
http://www.shorelinesteel.com/intermedia...iling.html
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That is basically handing steel resources over to an invading enemy to use repairing their invasion tools and making new ones.

"... concrete--because it is useless otherwise."

- Cat Sewing (Former America's Secret Strategic-Materials-Use of Dumps and Infrastructure)
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It cost apx 900 dollars per lineal ft or apx $4,752,000.00 per mile
to do Sheet Piling. On a Gov job it would be double.

see here - http://www.isheetpile.com/articles/cost


If Trump does it would be Bankrupt in a week!
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Stop CIA of murdering presidents that work for the people
so the nations can advance and people will not leave them

Just now CIA is fighting new mexican president and venezuelan president
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RE: Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
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It cost apx 900 dollars per lineal ft or apx $4,752,000.00 per mile
to do Sheet Piling. On a Gov job it would be double.

see here - http://www.isheetpile.com/articles/cost


If Trump does it would be Bankrupt in a week!

Thanks for the link---Interesting. Thinking that the bulk purchase of millions of pounds of steel panel piling would lead to a price of @ $300/ linear foot for materials.

My internet search shows that each linear foot of 30' x 1/3" thick steel would weigh about 1000 pounds and cost about $300 for materials only. That would be about 1.6 million $ per mile. Labor could be by our military or Mexico. 700 miles materials cost would be 1.1 Billion $
Schematic website link---
http://www.shorelinesteel.com/intermedia...iling.html

The cost of just one airplane--a B-2 bomber, is double the materials cost of 700 miles of steel for a 20' tall steel panel piling wall---$2.2 Billion.
https://fighterjetsworld.com/2018/09/16/...2-billion/
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the Price you are quoting is the same as SCRAP Iron sells for!

Those panels are NOT $300.00 each.
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the Price you are quoting is the same as SCRAP Iron sells for!

Those panels are NOT $300.00 each.

Your previous post had a really good LINK about steel panel piling costs. Those costs were for the combined labor and materials of $900 or so per linear foot. My $300/linear foot for materials only is in the ball park considering the size of the order. Even if it were double that it would still be an insignificant $ amount compared to both it's relationship to our federal budget total and the massive illegal immigration cost savings that would result from true Mexican border security.
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POLITICAL POST OF THE DAY YES, THIS NAILS IT. If you want the alpha to the omega, here it is. This includes New Mexico. She is the ONLY one to mention some of this uses Native American lands.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gives a more compelling response to Trump's border wall funding scare tactics than seasoned politicians.

“Please allow me to frame the issues involved with "the wall" in its actual terms. Despite what the media is saying, this is not about Democrat vs. Republican. In short, the executive branch of our government is threatening to declare a national emergency since the legislative branch will not authorize the seizure of private American property for a federal works project nor will fund it. The executive branch has already shut down the federal government. It is currently threatening to extend this government shut down for however long it takes for the legislative branch to cave.

Let us break this down.

First of all, the framework of our government is based on checks and balances. Power is divided into three branches: the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial. The Legislative branch controls the purse strings of government and creates laws. The Executive branch carries out those laws. The Judicial branch tells us whether the laws are constitutional or not. Each branch was designed to be able to balance the other branches.

Why? As shown by our original rebellion, Americans didn't want a King or a Dictator when we were setting up our government. We were not particularly thrilled with a House of Lords telling us what we could or could not do either.

In this case, the executive branch wants to:
(1) take governmental cash,
(2) create its own law,
(3) take away private property from American citizens
(4) create its own federal works project.

At least three of these functions fall within the power/ responsibility of the legislative branch. So, what is the problem? This is one of the most naked power grabs by the executive branch over the others in recent history. Once that power is exercised, it is going to be difficult or impossible to regain any balance again. The executive branch was never meant to have that much power (see our country's previous concerns about Kings and Dictators). Is this constitutional? Very doubtful. Should all Americans be concerned? That is a question for you to answer yourself.

Second, a "National Emergency" is generally declared under these general conditions:
(1) Natural disasters including hurricanes, tornados, and earthquakes to name a few.
(2) Public health emergencies such as significant outbreaks of infectious diseases.
(3) Military attacks.
(4) Civil insurrection.
(5) Any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy.

Now the first 4 aren't applicable. The last category was meant to be short-term only. It was designed to be reviewed by the legislative branch every year after it’s enacted (because again; the check and balance is fundamental to how we operate).

So, what is the problem here? If national emergencies can be declared by the executive branch for non-emergency purposes which vest power in one branch of the government why would that branch ever let go of that power again?

Third, the seizure of private property (known as “eminent domain”, a body of law which says the government cannot just take your home without due process). You are joking, right? No. The US/Mexican border is 1,933 miles long. It runs through 4 states (California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas). Only 33% of that land is actually owned or managed by the Federal Government. A sizable percentage of that land is owned by the Indian nations. It is land preserved for those tribes by treaty and land given under treaty is not land owned by the United States. These tribes already have a lot of reasons to be angry at the Federal Government. This would be pouring additional gas on an open flame.

The other 64% of that land is privately owned.

How much land would have to be taken? The amount of land that the Federal Government would have to take would likely run 1,237 miles long to 12,371 miles deep (assuming a 1 to 10-mile DMZ from the border into the United States). Even if we could only take 100 to 500 ft of land in densely populated areas, that is a lot of private property that is going to be seized by the Federal government.

The land necessary for this project would also run through some highly populated areas in the US such as San Diego, Calexico, Nogales, El Paso, and Laredo. There will be a lot of Americans who are going to have their homes and businesses taken by the federal government. Which will also mean a lot of lawsuits.

In terms of the federal works project, these types of works include hospitals, bridges, highways, walls and dams. These projects may be funded by local, state, or federal appropriations. If they are federal, they are funded by the legislative branch of our government (the same branch that our executive branch is currently trying to take power from). Is the seizure of power constitutional? Not likely given the separation of powers discussed above.

Finally, these considerations do not take into account the sheer cost, human and monetary, that will be involved. The Department of Homeland Security estimates the current cost at $21 billion for construction alone (not counting costs of maintenance or costs associated with increased military/federal patrolling).

Ask yourself a simple question. When was the last time that you saw a governmental project brought in under time and under budget? Does anyone remember the “big dig” in Boston, Mass? The actual costs are likely to be much higher. This estimated cost also does not include compensating folks for taking their land or the associated impact upon their businesses.

The Federal budget deficit grew to $779 billion dollars in 2018 according to the Treasury Department. How are we, as a country, going to fund this project? How are we, as a country, going to deal with the additional debt? Unlike private businesses, our country cannot declare bankruptcy.

This is not about Democrat vs. Republican. It is not about who has the best zingers measured in 10 second sound bites. It is about our country. The core of this issue deals with the profound and immense changes the outcome will have on the structure of our nation. This is the way that we, as a country, should be framing these issues. Please think about it.”

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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RE: Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-13-2019 10:46 PM)
POLITICAL POST OF THE DAY YES, THIS NAILS IT. If you want the alpha to the omega, here it is. This includes New Mexico. She is the ONLY one to mention some of this uses Native American lands.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gives a more compelling response to Trump's border wall funding scare tactics than seasoned politicians.

“Please allow me to frame the issues involved with "the wall" in its actual terms. Despite what the media is saying, this is not about Democrat vs. Republican. In short, the executive branch of our government is threatening to declare a national emergency since the legislative branch will not authorize the seizure of private American property for a federal works project nor will fund it. The executive branch has already shut down the federal government. It is currently threatening to extend this government shut down for however long it takes for the legislative branch to cave.

Let us break this down.

First of all, the framework of our government is based on checks and balances. Power is divided into three branches: the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial. The Legislative branch controls the purse strings of government and creates laws. The Executive branch carries out those laws. The Judicial branch tells us whether the laws are constitutional or not. Each branch was designed to be able to balance the other branches.

Why? As shown by our original rebellion, Americans didn't want a King or a Dictator when we were setting up our government. We were not particularly thrilled with a House of Lords telling us what we could or could not do either.

In this case, the executive branch wants to:
(1) take governmental cash,
(2) create its own law,
(3) take away private property from American citizens
(4) create its own federal works project.

At least three of these functions fall within the power/ responsibility of the legislative branch. So, what is the problem? This is one of the most naked power grabs by the executive branch over the others in recent history. Once that power is exercised, it is going to be difficult or impossible to regain any balance again. The executive branch was never meant to have that much power (see our country's previous concerns about Kings and Dictators). Is this constitutional? Very doubtful. Should all Americans be concerned? That is a question for you to answer yourself.

Second, a "National Emergency" is generally declared under these general conditions:
(1) Natural disasters including hurricanes, tornados, and earthquakes to name a few.
(2) Public health emergencies such as significant outbreaks of infectious diseases.
(3) Military attacks.
(4) Civil insurrection.
(5) Any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy.

Now the first 4 aren't applicable. The last category was meant to be short-term only. It was designed to be reviewed by the legislative branch every year after it’s enacted (because again; the check and balance is fundamental to how we operate).

So, what is the problem here? If national emergencies can be declared by the executive branch for non-emergency purposes which vest power in one branch of the government why would that branch ever let go of that power again?

Third, the seizure of private property (known as “eminent domain”, a body of law which says the government cannot just take your home without due process). You are joking, right? No. The US/Mexican border is 1,933 miles long. It runs through 4 states (California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas). Only 33% of that land is actually owned or managed by the Federal Government. A sizable percentage of that land is owned by the Indian nations. It is land preserved for those tribes by treaty and land given under treaty is not land owned by the United States. These tribes already have a lot of reasons to be angry at the Federal Government. This would be pouring additional gas on an open flame.

The other 64% of that land is privately owned.

How much land would have to be taken? The amount of land that the Federal Government would have to take would likely run 1,237 miles long to 12,371 miles deep (assuming a 1 to 10-mile DMZ from the border into the United States). Even if we could only take 100 to 500 ft of land in densely populated areas, that is a lot of private property that is going to be seized by the Federal government.

The land necessary for this project would also run through some highly populated areas in the US such as San Diego, Calexico, Nogales, El Paso, and Laredo. There will be a lot of Americans who are going to have their homes and businesses taken by the federal government. Which will also mean a lot of lawsuits.

In terms of the federal works project, these types of works include hospitals, bridges, highways, walls and dams. These projects may be funded by local, state, or federal appropriations. If they are federal, they are funded by the legislative branch of our government (the same branch that our executive branch is currently trying to take power from). Is the seizure of power constitutional? Not likely given the separation of powers discussed above.

Finally, these considerations do not take into account the sheer cost, human and monetary, that will be involved. The Department of Homeland Security estimates the current cost at $21 billion for construction alone (not counting costs of maintenance or costs associated with increased military/federal patrolling).

Ask yourself a simple question. When was the last time that you saw a governmental project brought in under time and under budget? Does anyone remember the “big dig” in Boston, Mass? The actual costs are likely to be much higher. This estimated cost also does not include compensating folks for taking their land or the associated impact upon their businesses.

The Federal budget deficit grew to $779 billion dollars in 2018 according to the Treasury Department. How are we, as a country, going to fund this project? How are we, as a country, going to deal with the additional debt? Unlike private businesses, our country cannot declare bankruptcy.

This is not about Democrat vs. Republican. It is not about who has the best zingers measured in 10 second sound bites. It is about our country. The core of this issue deals with the profound and immense changes the outcome will have on the structure of our nation. This is the way that we, as a country, should be framing these issues. Please think about it.”

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

To talk about the cost of something without also talking about the overwhelming future cost savings is dishonest. Need to talk about the cost of NOT securing the border also.
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Post: #27
RE: Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-13-2019 10:21 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-12-2019 10:12 PM)
It cost apx 900 dollars per lineal ft or apx $4,752,000.00 per mile
to do Sheet Piling. On a Gov job it would be double.

see here - http://www.isheetpile.com/articles/cost


If Trump does it would be Bankrupt in a week!

Thanks for the link---Interesting. Thinking that the bulk purchase of millions of pounds of steel panel piling would lead to a price of @ $300/ linear foot for materials.

My internet search shows that each linear foot of 30' x 1/3" thick steel would weigh about 1000 pounds and cost about $300 for materials only. That would be about 1.6 million $ per mile. Labor could be by our military or Mexico. 700 miles materials cost would be 1.1 Billion $
Schematic website link---
http://www.shorelinesteel.com/intermedia...iling.html

The cost of just one airplane--a B-2 bomber, is double the materials cost of 700 miles of steel for a 20' tall steel panel piling wall---$2.2 Billion.
https://fighterjetsworld.com/2018/09/16/...2-billion/
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RE: Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-13-2019 10:46 PM)
POLITICAL POST OF THE DAY YES, THIS NAILS IT. If you want the alpha to the omega, here it is. This includes New Mexico. She is the ONLY one to mention some of this uses Native American lands.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gives a more compelling response to Trump's border wall funding scare tactics than seasoned politicians.

“Please allow me to frame the issues involved with "the wall" in its actual terms. Despite what the media is saying, this is not about Democrat vs. Republican. In short, the executive branch of our government is threatening to declare a national emergency since the legislative branch will not authorize the seizure of private American property for a federal works project nor will fund it. The executive branch has already shut down the federal government. It is currently threatening to extend this government shut down for however long it takes for the legislative branch to cave.

Let us break this down.

First of all, the framework of our government is based on checks and balances. Power is divided into three branches: the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial. The Legislative branch controls the purse strings of government and creates laws. The Executive branch carries out those laws. The Judicial branch tells us whether the laws are constitutional or not. Each branch was designed to be able to balance the other branches.

Why? As shown by our original rebellion, Americans didn't want a King or a Dictator when we were setting up our government. We were not particularly thrilled with a House of Lords telling us what we could or could not do either.

In this case, the executive branch wants to:
(1) take governmental cash,
(2) create its own law,
(3) take away private property from American citizens
(4) create its own federal works project.

At least three of these functions fall within the power/ responsibility of the legislative branch. So, what is the problem? This is one of the most naked power grabs by the executive branch over the others in recent history. Once that power is exercised, it is going to be difficult or impossible to regain any balance again. The executive branch was never meant to have that much power (see our country's previous concerns about Kings and Dictators). Is this constitutional? Very doubtful. Should all Americans be concerned? That is a question for you to answer yourself.

Second, a "National Emergency" is generally declared under these general conditions:
(1) Natural disasters including hurricanes, tornados, and earthquakes to name a few.
(2) Public health emergencies such as significant outbreaks of infectious diseases.
(3) Military attacks.
(4) Civil insurrection.
(5) Any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy.

Now the first 4 aren't applicable. The last category was meant to be short-term only. It was designed to be reviewed by the legislative branch every year after it’s enacted (because again; the check and balance is fundamental to how we operate).

So, what is the problem here? If national emergencies can be declared by the executive branch for non-emergency purposes which vest power in one branch of the government why would that branch ever let go of that power again?

Third, the seizure of private property (known as “eminent domain”, a body of law which says the government cannot just take your home without due process). You are joking, right? No. The US/Mexican border is 1,933 miles long. It runs through 4 states (California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas). Only 33% of that land is actually owned or managed by the Federal Government. A sizable percentage of that land is owned by the Indian nations. It is land preserved for those tribes by treaty and land given under treaty is not land owned by the United States. These tribes already have a lot of reasons to be angry at the Federal Government. This would be pouring additional gas on an open flame.

The other 64% of that land is privately owned.

How much land would have to be taken? The amount of land that the Federal Government would have to take would likely run 1,237 miles long to 12,371 miles deep (assuming a 1 to 10-mile DMZ from the border into the United States). Even if we could only take 100 to 500 ft of land in densely populated areas, that is a lot of private property that is going to be seized by the Federal government.

The land necessary for this project would also run through some highly populated areas in the US such as San Diego, Calexico, Nogales, El Paso, and Laredo. There will be a lot of Americans who are going to have their homes and businesses taken by the federal government. Which will also mean a lot of lawsuits.

In terms of the federal works project, these types of works include hospitals, bridges, highways, walls and dams. These projects may be funded by local, state, or federal appropriations. If they are federal, they are funded by the legislative branch of our government (the same branch that our executive branch is currently trying to take power from). Is the seizure of power constitutional? Not likely given the separation of powers discussed above.

Finally, these considerations do not take into account the sheer cost, human and monetary, that will be involved. The Department of Homeland Security estimates the current cost at $21 billion for construction alone (not counting costs of maintenance or costs associated with increased military/federal patrolling).

Ask yourself a simple question. When was the last time that you saw a governmental project brought in under time and under budget? Does anyone remember the “big dig” in Boston, Mass? The actual costs are likely to be much higher. This estimated cost also does not include compensating folks for taking their land or the associated impact upon their businesses.

The Federal budget deficit grew to $779 billion dollars in 2018 according to the Treasury Department. How are we, as a country, going to fund this project? How are we, as a country, going to deal with the additional debt? Unlike private businesses, our country cannot declare bankruptcy.

This is not about Democrat vs. Republican. It is not about who has the best zingers measured in 10 second sound bites. It is about our country. The core of this issue deals with the profound and immense changes the outcome will have on the structure of our nation. This is the way that we, as a country, should be framing these issues. Please think about it.”

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Damn, Cute AND SMART !!!!

No wonder the old white men & women hate her
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RE: Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-13-2019 10:46 PM)
POLITICAL POST OF THE DAY YES, THIS NAILS IT. If you want the alpha to the omega, here it is. This includes New Mexico. She is the ONLY one to mention some of this uses Native American lands.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gives a more compelling response to Trump's border wall funding scare tactics than seasoned politicians.

*snip*

This is not about Democrat vs. Republican. It is not about who has the best zingers measured in 10 second sound bites. It is about our country. The core of this issue deals with the profound and immense changes the outcome will have on the structure of our nation. This is the way that we, as a country, should be framing these issues. Please think about it.”

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Did you happen to post this in a thread by itself ?
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RE: Steel Panel Piling Border Wall. Least cost, very fast construction VIDEO
LoP Guest  Wrote: (01-11-2019 03:52 AM)
Have 20' + up and additional 10' in ground. Look how fast this machine drives a section in. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ste...ORM=VRDGAR



This method would cost at least $15 billion to cover all 1900+ miles on the southern border
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