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Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Michael Alan Keith
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Post: #16
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Christians and Jews who speak Arabic use the word Allah for God.


Allah is the name FOR God, not the name OF God. Two very different things.


BTW: Where did the word God come from?

Before you ask your coworkers that ask them if they worship God.


Do you worship God? Where does the word God come from?


God was a Pagan Lunar Deity.
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Leroy Jenkins!
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Post: #17
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Isaac and Abraham built the Caba in Mecca.

Look it up.

Here's a good start.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&clien...69&bih=554

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Post: #18
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Buster  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:39 AM)
Islam came after Christianity.

They say that they have the same God as Christians.


Who are Christians to say that it is not when Muslims say it is the God of Abraham?

Christianity came after Judaism..but theyre cool with each other..sort of.
Muslims hate Jews and Christians, but...wtf...oh forget it

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Kentucky Fried Genocide
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Post: #19
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Buster  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:41 AM)
Christians and Jews who speak Arabic use the word Allah for God.


Allah is the name FOR God, not the name OF God. Two very different things.


BTW: Where did the word God come from?

Before you ask your coworkers that ask them if they worship God.


Do you worship God? Where does the word God come from?


God was a Pagan Lunar Deity.

thats the thing they say Allah is a lunar god..or something..hence the crescent, i say jesus is a solar messiah, its all bs to me, im just curious :) thanks for the info

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Michael Alan Keith
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Post: #20
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
There are those who will say that Allah was a moon god.

That has been completely debunked. The authors who put forth the theory were guilty of more than just poor scholarship. It was outright propaganda.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/S...ongod.html

I know, the source is a Muslim. That doesn't make it wrong. All of the same points and more have been made elsewhere by Christians and Jews. This is just a convenient source with most of the claims debunked in a simple manner.
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Michael Alan Keith
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RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Kentucky Fried Genocide  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:44 AM)
Buster  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:39 AM)
Islam came after Christianity.

They say that they have the same God as Christians.


Who are Christians to say that it is not when Muslims say it is the God of Abraham?

Christianity came after Judaism..but theyre cool with each other..sort of.
Muslims hate Jews and Christians, but...wtf...oh forget it

Jews were cool with Muslims for more than a thousand years. And look at them today.

There are many Jews who despise Christians and wish death to them all. And Vice Versa.
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Leroy Jenkins!
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RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Buster  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:41 AM)
Christians and Jews who speak Arabic use the word Allah for God.


Allah is the name FOR God, not the name OF God. Two very different things.


BTW: Where did the word God come from?

Before you ask your coworkers that ask them if they worship God.


Do you worship God? Where does the word God come from?


God was a Pagan Lunar Deity.

This is just my critical thinking brain so pay no mind to it but...

I belive that the word for God probably orginated in the form of a word like Allah.It makes sense to me that a word in its origans that was so important as to refer to the creator would need to be able to be said breathing in or or out.

Try it.Try saint God or Jesus while breathing in and try it again while breathing out Now try it with Allah.doomed



What I typed probably makes no sense.Tissue

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Kentucky Fried Genocide
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RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
the thing is though, you cant tell these folks anything new, if its not consistent with what they "know" to be true, aka KJV, then its BS hehe its so frustrating.

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HardTruth
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Post: #24
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Kentucky Fried Genocide  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:36 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:35 AM)
Simple response?

No

i need more, if you dont mind.

thanks in advance.

There were about 600 of these Elohim that came to Earth!!

Strongs Hebrew lexicon # 430; Elohim literally means gods, or even more accurately, mighty ones!!

'elohiym (plural) rulers, judges divine ones angels gods (plural intensive - singular meaning) god, goddess godlike one works or special possessions of God the (true) God God
http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q...c2=LEX+HEB

Let US create man

1/3 of these pretend gods defected from yahweh's rule!!

The 200 Defectors, flesh and blood Elohim according to Babylonian Talmudic Text/Dead Sea Scrolls!!

Abdi-el, Anafi-el, Aput-el, Araqui-el, Arari-el, Ari-el, Armis-ael, Azazi-el, Azaz-el , Azr-ael

Ba-al, Baradi-el, Baraqui-el, Barayqy-el, Barrati-el, Bomi-el, Bo-el

Cam-ael, Caphri-el, Cassi-el, Cervi-el, Chamu-el, Chaydy-el

Dubbi-el

Ei-ael, Ex-ael

Gabri-el, Gadi-el, Gavri-el, Germ-ael

Habri-el, Haderi-el, Hadrami-el, Hani-el, Hayli-el, Hochm-el

Iofi-el, Israf-el, Ithuri-el, IZr-ael

J-ael, Jeho-el, Jeremi-el, Jo-el, Jophi-el

Kadmi-el, Kakab-el, Kalk-ail, Kasbi-el, Kemu-el, Kerubi-el, Kokbi-el

Labbi-el, Lahabi-el

Mesuki-el, Mich-ael, Mid-ael

Na'ariri-el, Nagrasagi-el, Nasragi-el, Nathani-el, Nay-ail, Nogah-el, Nuri-el

Ofani-el, Onafi-el, Orifi-el

Pachri-el, Peli-el, Peni-el, Phanu-el, Pravail, Puri-el

Qafsi-el, Qemu-el

Raami-el, Raasi-el, Radweri-el, Ragu-el, Rahati-el, Rami-el, Raph-ael, Razi-el, Remi-el, Rikbi-el, Ruhi-el

Sabr-ael, Sahaqi-el, Salathi-el, Sam-ael, Samu-il, Santri-el, Saraq-ael, Sanigni-el, Satqui-el, Seraphi-el, Shami-el, Shamsi-el, Shatqui-el, Sidri-el, Simi-el, Soperi-el, Soterasi-el, Suru-el

Tadhi-el, Tatrasi-el, Tsadki-el

Uri-el, Usiel, Uzziel

Vreti-el, Vrevo-il

Xathani-ael

Yaasri-el, Yaho-el, Yahri-el, Yofi-el

Zaami-el, Zaaphi-el, Zadki-el, Zagzag-el, Zakzaki-el, Zaphi-el, Zaphki-el, Zazri-el, Zi'i'-el, Ziqu-el, Zophi-el, Zutu

The defectors had the El put on their names as a suffix to denote their defective state!!

EL is the singular reference to each different individual of the Elohim, and as listed, these other Elohim had the El as a prefix in front of the name to denote in good standing!!

Other names of the Elohim mentioned in the christians bible!!

El Echad. (Mal. 2:10)

El Hanne'eman. (Deut. 7:9)

El Emet. (Ps. 31:5)

El Tsaddik. (Isa. 45:21)

El Shaddai. Abrahams actually referred to his god as El Shaddai!!

El Elyon. (Gen. 14:20; Ps. 9:2).

El Olam. (Gen. 21:33, Ps. 90:1-3, 93:2; Isa. 26:4).

El Roi. (Gen. 16:13).

El Yeshurun.
The God of Jeshurun (Deut. 32:15; 33:5,26; Isa. 44:2).

El Gibbor. (Isa. 9:6).

El De'ot. (1 Sam. 2:3).

El Hakkavod. (Ps. 29:3).

El Hakkadosh. (Sometimes transliterated Hakadosh). (Isa. 5:16).

El Hashamayim. (Ps. 136:26

El Chaiyai. (Ps. 42:8).

El-Channun. (Jonah 4:2).

El Yisrael. (Ps. 68:36).

El Sali. (Ps. 42:9

El Erekh Apayim avi ha-tanchumim. (Romans 15:5)

El Rachum. (Deut. 4:31).

El malei Rachamim

El Yeshuati

El Yeshuatenu

El-Kanno.
The Jealous God (Exod. 20:5; 34:14; Num. 5:14, 30; Deut. 4:24; 5:9; 6:15; Jos. 24:19; 1 Ki. 19:10, 14; Ezek. 39:25; Joel 2:18; Nah. 1:2; Zech. 1:14; 8:2).

El Hannora. (Neh. 9:32)

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. (Ps 82: 1)


There was never just the one!!


chuckle

If it seeketh, expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Michael Alan Keith
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Post: #25
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Elah, Pronounced something like

ehh lah

Is one of the words many Jews and Christians use for God. Sometimes indistinguishable from Allah.

But the two words have different origins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
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Kentucky Fried Genocide
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Post: #26
RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Buster  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:48 AM)
Kentucky Fried Genocide  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:44 AM)
Buster  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:39 AM)
Islam came after Christianity.

They say that they have the same God as Christians.


Who are Christians to say that it is not when Muslims say it is the God of Abraham?

Christianity came after Judaism..but theyre cool with each other..sort of.
Muslims hate Jews and Christians, but...wtf...oh forget it

Jews were cool with Muslims for more than a thousand years. And look at them today.

There are many Jews who despise Christians and wish death to them all. And Vice Versa.

yeah..its a screwed up mess..

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Michael Alan Keith
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RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Kentucky Fried Genocide  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:49 AM)
the thing is though, you cant tell these folks anything new, if its not consistent with what they "know" to be true, aka KJV, then its BS hehe its so frustrating.

The Allah is a Moon God Myth did not come from the Bible.

It comes from discredited modern writers.
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RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Kentucky Fried Genocide  Wrote: (04-11-2012 02:47 AM)
Serious question...my bible thumping co workers were going crazy today telling me its not the same god yadda yadda wtf ever..if they(muslims) say its the same god whos to say its not?

any ideas LoP?

OH MAN LET ME ANSWER! ME ME ME! I WANT TO ANSWER! I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS A FEW MINUTES AGO AND ANSWERING IT IN MY HEAD PLEAAAAAAASE!

OK NOBODY TALK! JUST ME! OK! HERE I GO! ONE SEC!

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Is-Allah...pid3161083

EXPLAINING GOD THROUGH REASON
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Easy-Rel...a-Nutshell
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Michael Alan Keith
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RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
Kentucky Fried Genocide  Wrote: (04-11-2012 03:49 AM)
the thing is though, you cant tell these folks anything new, if its not consistent with what they "know" to be true, aka KJV, then its BS hehe its so frustrating.

If you really want to try to change their minds give them this link.


http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/S...ongod.html


But of course, most will never look at it because of the source.
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RE: Is Allah the God of Abraham?
A completely different deity worshipped in the Hejaz long before it's exposure to Judaism or Christianity via traveling merchants who settled there.

It was grafted into the biblical epoch as a bit of creative license as were the people of the Hejaz. Essentially a replacement theology and not a very adroit one since it's founder was illiterate and nothing was written down until after he was dead.

The Kaaba was a unified shrine for idols, Islamic claims that it was built by Abraham are fanciful at best since Abraham never went there and even if he did he wasn't there long enough to build anything and the construction of it is never mentioned in any far more ancient text.

Allah and his daughters Al-Lat, Al-Munat and Al-Uzza had a completely different religion and mythology prior to the exposure of the Arabs to the influences of Judaism and Christianity.
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