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The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Angry Red Man
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Post: #16
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-22-2012 09:35 PM)
OP, I can understand your frustration that your chosen political candidate has lost the 2012 GOP nomination. However, it is not the end of the world.

Get out and enjoy your life.

Pursue happiness where you find it.

He hasn't lost yet. Still in it and in a decent financial position.

So are you picking up the challenge guest or just slinging shit?

How do you feel about foreign aid when we can't even afford our own government's operations?

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RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-22-2012 09:35 PM)
OP, I can understand your frustration that your chosen political candidate has lost the 2012 GOP nomination. However, it is not the end of the world.

Get out and enjoy your life.

Pursue happiness where you find it.

Obamney only has 685 delegates. He needs 1144 to win.

http://projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/delegates

He's barely over half-way. And this is the Wall Street Journal's tally.

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RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
goood
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beermug RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
Whomever is not for Ron Paul is NOT for freedom and rights.

It's that simple.........
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Post: #20
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
Please rename thread to "BUTTHURT CHALLENGE".

Truth in advertising!
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Post: #21
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
Challenge item:

How many military bases does the US have in operation? No one really knows. It sort of depends on your definition and how you count them apparently.

http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2011/01/...ve-anyway/

So why do we have so many bases overseas that we can't even figure out how many we have? Who's footing the bill on these bases and are they even really needed if we are not an empire?

If we are an empire and not a constitutional republic then when and how did that change? If we are an empire then why can't we let the empire slide and go back to being just a country that is friendly with it's neighbors?

What say you? Will you pick up the challenge on this item?

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Astrochik
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Post: #22
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
nobody will take your challenge...

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

Quote:1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentatorbecome argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

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Angry Red Man
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Post: #23
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
That's why the challenge Astro. I'm having some fun with the trolls, shills and agents. The bots will amuse themselves I suppose.

I also want to point to some of those unaware individuals what some of the problems we face are and see if we can find some sort of solution that does not require a TSA pedo posted in every home and office.

Astrochik  Wrote: (04-22-2012 09:53 PM)
nobody will take your challenge...

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

Quote:1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentatorbecome argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

Mitakuye Oyasin We are all related. Screw that, your all disowned. The Idiocracy has won.

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Post: #24
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
Try renaming the thread: "The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul Challenge"

That might get the bashers/traitors in here.

Then us brownshirts can beat them up.

chuckle

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Post: #25
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up challenge.
Hes a bit old...And Sacha Bhoen made him look a geek.

Otherwise whoever he is good luck to the old boy.

Hector was the first of the gang with a gun in his hand
The first to do time, The first in the gang to die....oh my!
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Post: #26
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Ron Paul won't win.

Now take the ButtHurt And In Denial Challenge?

Can you say the words "I know"?
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Post: #27
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (04-22-2012 09:58 PM)
Try renaming the thread: "The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul Challenge"

That might get the bashers/traitors in here.

Then us brownshirts can beat them up.

chuckle

Jptdknpa Done.

How about the war on drugs folks? Ratchet it up or legalize or maintain the status quo? How about a treatment based approach to addiction instead of prohibition which obviously does not work?

We're running close to Stalin Russia incarceration rates and spending billions per year prosecuting someone over a weed that grows wild. Why is it illegal when it's so useful and versatile in a variety of manufacturing areas from clothing to high strength plastics that could replace steel and bio fuel that could replace oil based fuels?

http://hempnews.tv/2010/04/16/hemp-legal...s-economy/

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Post: #28
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-22-2012 10:02 PM)
Ron Paul won't win.

Now take the ButtHurt And In Denial Challenge?

Can you say the words "I know"?

That's the best you can do isn't it. A Lurkey Lew?

Yes it is.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

chuckle

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Post: #29
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (04-22-2012 10:14 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-22-2012 10:02 PM)
Ron Paul won't win.

Now take the ButtHurt And In Denial Challenge?

Can you say the words "I know"?

That's the best you can do isn't it. A Lurkey Lew?

Yes it is.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

chuckle

Come on, just type it and feel better.

RON PAUL WILL NOT WIN.

Just type it once,
feel the sigh of relief,
let the anger go.
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Post: #30
RE: The Put Up or Shut Up Ron Paul challenge.
The 12 Step Paulaholics Program.

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

The first step is moving past denial.

Admit that Ron Paul won't win.

Then you can move on to get better.
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